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Episode 202


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John C. Dvorak Hey, welcome to TWiT 202. I am John C. Dvorak substituting for Leo Laporte who is off in China...

Becky Worley Anyhow.

John C. Dvorak …and taking pictures and probably being arrested as we speak. At least that’s what he thinks. And we’ve got some guests lined up that are –keep you probably I think entertained for the next hour and a half or so. Beginning with Becky Worley. Hello Becky.

Becky Worley Good afternoon, John.

John C. Dvorak So what are your monikers currently that you are going to plug here for?

Becky Worley Oh, it’s plugorama?

John C. Dvorak Well, I mean, I’m introducing you.

Becky Worley Well, you can check out the blogs at I’m filling in for Bill Weir on Monday. So check out the Quick Fix. That’s one and anything else, anyone looking to rent a condo on Maui, email me.

John C. Dvorak Wow!

Becky Worley How’s that for a straight up plug?

John C. Dvorak And then we have a couple of virgins here for the show in so far as they’ve never been on the show before.

Natali Del Conte Ouch!

Carlos Rodela Ow.

John C. Dvorak Including Natali Del Conte, the famous now CBS person who is – what’s your – what do we want to refer to you as?

Natali Del Conte Well, I am anchor for CNET TV and I am a correspondent for the CBS Early Show.

John C. Dvorak And – congratulations by the way.

Natali Del Conte Thank you very much.

John C. Dvorak I am sure you are killing them.

Natali Del Conte Well, I don’t know about that but…

John C. Dvorak And another virgin is Carlos Rodela

Carlos Rodela What’s up people?

John C. Dvorak – who is at Also one of the – he is actually running the Tech Network at Anything else we want to put you down for there buddy?

Carlos Rodela Yes, we do episodic web show content at MEVIO and then I work with you.

John C. Dvorak I am talking about you.

Carlos Rodela Well, I work with you and so that’s fun. So…

John C. Dvorak Okay, well that’s good enough. It’s good enough for me. So everybody here knows about tech so we can talk about topics till we’re blue in the face, and that’s what we’re going to do.

Becky Worley Stop, you have not said yet.

John C. Dvorak…

Becky Worley Oh, sorry.

John C. Dvorak …and

Becky Worley Okay I just – it was just too weird that everybody else was plugging, but I just needed to stop for a second.

John C. Dvorak It’s a good point. I am glad that she is here now. Okay, so what have we got for news stories? The thing that kind of jumped out at me was this crazy story that Sony Ericsson had pre – somebody slipped it into the public domain that they’ve got a phone now that’s going to be running Android and along with all the – what we now hear are 20 new phones coming out running Android before Christmas could cause a kind of a tidal wave of interest in Android. Anybody…

Natali Del Conte Yeah, but wouldn’t you expect that though?

Becky Worley [indiscernible] look like the BlackBerry Storm?

John C. Dvorak Yes, it does.

Becky Worley Yes.

Natali Del Conte But Sony Ericsson already makes really great phones. The only problem is we never see them in the U.S. because they have too high of megapixels on their cameras and our U.S. carriers just won’t accept them. So we never get to see them but Sony Ericsson phones are great.

Becky Worley This phone is supposed to have an 8.1 megapixel camera and a flash.

John C. Dvorak Yes, well, that may be part of the reason, but aren’t the phones that they generally have made until now using Windows Mobile?

Natali Del Conte I think so yes.

Becky Worley Who is the primary carrier for these guys?

John C. Dvorak Well, generally, I have a couple of these phones, not this one, but I just get the unlocked phone and just throw anybody’s card in there. I don’t really care who the carrier is. Are there – is anybody selling Sony Ericsson stuff, Verizon or AT&T does anybody know?

Natali Del Conte I don’t think so. I think you have to get them unlocked. None of the carriers subsidize them and a lot of it is because the carriers won’t subsidize a phone with such a high megapixel camera.

Carlos Rodela [indiscernible] talking about…

John C. Dvorak I’m sorry, Carlos. But does anybody but me think that the Android Phone is going to eventually overtake the iPhone in popularity?

Becky Worley So everybody says…

Natali Del Conte I actually think maybe. I played with the HTC Magic recently and I really liked it and I think Android is a great operating system. I think that because so many other carriers are going to be open to it besides just Mobile OS X, then yes, I definitely think that’s true.

Becky Worley This seems like an inertia question. I mean just there is so much momentum going the iPhone’s way.

John C. Dvorak So you’re just going to stick with iPhone in this argument?

Becky Worley I am going to stay there because I just feel like it’s also about the content, and in terms of the app store, in terms of iTunes, I just feel like for the average Joe, the momentum is already pushing so much towards the iPhone that while there will be a niche subset, that finds the sort of more Boutique Phones like the Sony Ericsson, a little bit – to have more cache, more geek cache, I think that the lion’s share is going to stick with the iPhone.

John C. Dvorak Carlos?

Carlos Rodela Hey, yes Dvorak this is a perfect opportunity for me to talk about MetroPCS yet again.

John C. Dvorak Oh, yes.

Carlos Rodela But I’m not sponsored by them yet. But yes I mean talking about Jo Shmo, this phone right here, $50 unlimited text data, voice and everything like that. It’s 300 bucks, but when we’re talking about all these fancy expensive phones usually yeah, they are tied into contracts and for me Jo Shmo, I want something that I have no contract and you know it’s all on one kind of device, so.

Natali Del Conte What is that phone?

Becky Worley $50 a month all included is pretty awesome.

Carlos Rodela 50. Yes, yes and the phones are 300 bucks and it’s pretty cool. It looks – it feels like an iPhone.

Natali Del Conte Today, iPhone is on my poo-poo list because I thought that iPhones…

John C. Dvorak What list is this?

Becky Worley Her “poo-poo” list.

Natali Del Conte …my crap list. It’s my nice way of saying my [expletive] list because I have been chasing Apple all day because this morning I had an appointment at Apple to go in and get my iPhone subsidy because I preordered iPhone 3GS and then they came out and changed the subsidy rules and said okay people who were eligible for upgrade within July, August or September can now get the subsidy. But I had already paid, and they charged my credit card the full amount and I can’t figure out how to get that money back to save my life. I’ve called AT&T, they won’t help me. They told me to call Apple. I called Apple and then they said go into the store. I went into the store and then they said to call AT&T. So I feel like I’ve been chasing my head, it’s like a möbius strip.

John C. Dvorak Are you…

Natali Del Conte And I’m so upset with Apple right now.

John C. Dvorak Did you use – do you use an Amex Card for this?

Natali Del Conte I used a Visa, just a regular Visa.

John C. Dvorak Because you known, with an Amex Card you can just say, no I’m not going to pay this and then a dispute comes into play.

Becky Worley Ooh, look at you David Horowitz.

Natali Del Conte I guess, I think, I’m going to have to send the phone back.

Becky Worley I think that this is really, you either play the correspondent card or you go into the Apple store and cry. So they are the two options you have…

Natali Del Conte See, I’m so uncomfortable with – to do that. I tried…

Becky Worley [Wails] I want my phone!

Carlos Rodela See, this is why –

John C. Dvorak Get her out of here!

Natali Del Conte I tried to be really nice in the store and that didn’t work, it didn’t work at all. So – and I am so uncomfortable pulling the correspondent card. So I just didn’t do it at all.

John C. Dvorak Yet.

Natali Del Conte And now I’m just –I think I’m just going to send the phone back.

Carlos Rodela I am just so tired of dealing with Apple. This is why I don’t deal with Apple, you know what I mean? I just want a phone that I can just pay quick and just be done with it.

John C. Dvorak Are you getting paid by these guys by the way?

Carlos Rodela Yes, yes by the minute, by the minute actually.

Natali Del Conte Yeah, pull up that hoody and show us your MetroPCS t-shirt. I know it’s under there.

Becky Worley We can also supplement by saying Boost Mobile also 50 bucks a month, right? And some of the other carriers.

John C. Dvorak I don’t obey. I use a track phone. It’s $39 a month, but it’s not – but it’s like a prepaid card. I mean you don’t get unlimited anything. It’s – you pay for the minutes and you just don’t use the phone much.

Becky Worley Well, they also have those deals with Verizon and AT&T now where you can pay by the day. It’s like 1.50 to two bucks a day for a 24 hour period. So you’re not on a contract at all. So they are – some of the…

John C. Dvorak Is that what the price is, are you sure?

Becky Worley Yes, it’s not that expensive. Some of these – the bigger carriers are getting it that people want that kind of flexibility. And places like BillShrink, MyValidas, these companies that will – you upload a PDF of your bill, they’ll analyze it and then they’ll assess how your usage fits into the best plans and then send you a better deal that you should be doing within your same carrier.

John C. Dvorak Did you bring the ShamWows?

Becky Worley Dude. An entire bag of them.

John C. Dvorak All right.

Natali Del Conte Wait, why do you have those?

Carlos Rodela What?

Becky Worley I am really only…

John C. Dvorak She is a pitchman for ShamWow. She is going to take over when this guy quits, the ShamWow guy.

Becky Worley I think…

John C. Dvorak Hey camera guy, hey camera guy.

Becky Worley You know it’s really interesting. Okay, I’ve got to have my slight Billy Mays retrospective just to follow up on last week. So I did bring you a Billy Mays product which is Mighty Mend It, with a picture of Billy Mays and his throat beard just an homage to last week’s show. ShamWow is pitched by Vince Offer, thank you Colleen, who would have been the natural successor to Billy Mays except that he got arrested a few months ago for allegedly punching a prostitute.

John C. Dvorak Yes, well what choice did he have?

Becky Worley So then we get Anthony Sullivan, the British guy who co-hosts the show on Discovery with Billy Mays called Pitchmen.

John C. Dvorak Yes.

Becky Worley Billy Mays’ untimely passing and now Discovery has ordered a whole new season of Pitchmen.

John C. Dvorak Without Billy Mays.

Becky Worley They had ordered it before his passing.

Natali Del Conte Wait, is the British guy the guy who does that chopping thing, the chopper where you, like, hit it a bunch of times and it chops up –

Becky Worley That is the same guy who does ShamWow; that’s Vince Offer. Anthony Sullivan does “Shuffles” which are mops that you wear on your feet. And they have these great pads that are velcroed on to the bottom and you can throw them into the washing machine after you’ve mopped the kitchen floor.

Carlos Rodela Dvorak, you need to do that at MEVIO.

John C. Dvorak Unbelievable.

Carlos Rodela Dvorak, where are those at MEVIO, I am serious.

John C. Dvorak I can just wear them around the house.

Carlos Rodela Yeah, but you can clean our office. It’s really dirty.

Becky Worley I bought a bunch of – and I also showed you a before and after of ShamWow, I gave you some used – those are the used ones and these are the fresh ones.

John C. Dvorak This is a used ShamWow?

Becky Worley For you the best.

John C. Dvorak What is it?

Becky Worley Well, they come in different colors, but I just want to show it does not act like your traditional shammy which has the leather like…

John C. Dvorak Yes, shammys are great.

Becky Worley Yes, this is not a shammy, this is a rag that costs $20 plus shipping and handling.

John C. Dvorak Okay.

Natali Del Conte We should do a show about the technology behind these things because these are really amazing products. My mom used to have the Miracle Thaw, and that stuff, you could take a frozen chicken, a whole chicken, put it on this plate and it would defrost your chicken in like two minutes.

John C. Dvorak Well, that was because it was made out of aluminum, you have high heat transfer. I actually had one of those things made out of copper. In fact, I use a copper pot to do this. If you take a copper pot and put the chicken – you take it and flip it over. Made out of copper it’s a lot faster than aluminum, and you put the chicken on top of the bottom of the pot because it’s upside down now. Thing will be – it thaws out in two seconds.

Becky Worley John C. Dvorak.

John C. Dvorak From solid rock to thaw.

Becky Worley Wow!

John C. Dvorak Well it’s not quite two seconds but it is something like that.

Natali Del Conte This is really advanced science that we are talking about.

Carlos Rodela Yeah, awesome! Technology awesome! John C. Dvorak All right, back to the topics.

Becky Worley CrunchPad, CrunchPad. We want to talk about it.

John C. Dvorak All right, CrunchPad is – well it’s a story that shows up in the – it was interesting because somebody called out Michael Arrington on the fact that he released the news about his CrunchPad in this traditional print media, some – one of the business magazines or business newspapers. And so apparently Michael Arrington was floating around Southeast Asia and found some manufacturing company that would make this CrunchPad which is like a giant iPhone.

Becky Worley Right, it’s 12 inches diagonally. It’s a glass touch screen. It’s Internet browser only, runs on flash, Atom chips I think right?

John C. Dvorak I don’t know.

Becky Worley And this is what he wants. He just wants an Internet-only device that’s bigger than a Kindle.

John C. Dvorak Right.

Natali Del Conte Well he put out a call for manufacturers about a year and a couple of months ago and he was saying you know, anyone – I’ll work with anyone, just give us some ideas on what you think this will be, and I thought that that was kind of a neat idea. But now we are in the age of netbooks and iPhones and why do I need this? When I’ve got a Kindle, a netbook and an iPhone?

John C. Dvorak He wants it to replace the Kindle.

Carlos Rodela Yes, the Kindle is still black and white. I mean you know what I mean? We still need color, we still need the ability to do a magazine-type experience.

Becky Worley Also [indiscernible] (13:11) license.

Natali Del Conte Okay, but is it going to give me wireless downloading free?

Carlos Rodela I hope, I hope. Isn’t Apple working on something just like this too?

Becky Worley Well, they had a patent –

John C. Dvorak Well, if that’s the case then it’s over.

Carlos Rodela It’s over, right, yes.

John C. Dvorak I mean, because Apple, if Apple rolls out a netbook or a pad, I suspect that it’s going to have this – all those patterns on the multiple hands thing, where you can move things around with two fingers –

Becky Worley Multi-touch.

John C. Dvorak Multi-touch and some other features that would probably make it a dynamite device. I am just guessing.

Becky Worley Well, Apple also put in last week for some new patents including haptic feedback and the idea here being that it could…

John C. Dvorak Haptic mean it shakes when you move?

Becky Worley Yes, there’s sort of a tactile feedback sort of like the BlackBerry Storm that would – it would – it could either supplement this tablet idea that it’s sort of more than a tablet, more than a netbook, justifying cost, all about interface. Or it could be an upgrade to the iPhone in this respect, in terms of you touch the right button and it gives you some sort of a pushback.

John C. Dvorak So I get a haptic feedback. I have an N97 which is the new not yet released in the U.S. as far as I know Nokia, which has got the big screen and it has got a flip open thing and a keyboard, a full keyboard and the whole rest of it. I think the thing is terrible personally, but when you touch it you have this haptic thing going on, but it would – what’s interesting I think that makes it kind of intriguing is they’d added even more radios. It’s not like there’s not enough already on these things. You have GPS, you got all these different receivers. This one has an FM radio built into it and an FM transmitter. And so you can take it – you can take and load it up with your say a bunch of MP3s and then you just tune the transmitter to 88.3 or whatever you don’t have on your normal radio and then you put it in your car, hit the button, turn on your radio and you get the stereo from the player.

Carlos Rodela Yes, that’s great Dvorak, but are you listening to the radio still?

Becky Worley Well, old cars it depends. Mini jack inputs.

Natali Del Conte But you have to –

John C. Dvorak I do, yes. It’s all I listen to, is I listen to right-wing talk radio.

Carlos Rodela Yes, I know. At work, too!

Becky Worley They must have had a field day this weekend with the Palin departure.

John C. Dvorak I got some good stuff on Palin.

Natali Del Conte Oh! This sounds like a conspiracy theory and a half.

John C. Dvorak It’ll be on the No Agenda show, we’ll be doing it tomorrow.

Carlos Rodela Hey, but Dvorak, on all these types of touch-screen type tablet things, I mean you just got to look at the company that’s going to evolve and look at the evolution of technology, right? I know they’re going to be the winners, just think about Minority Report and that whole thing and that’s happening on like Fox News now or whatever or those news channels. I mean look at the people who’re pushing that envelope and they’re the one’s who are going to succeed because at the end of the day we have to evolve that tablet.

John C. Dvorak You okay?

Carlos Rodela Great. Yes, I’ve had too much custard.

John C. Dvorak I like the Dvorak – I like the little note on the back. You watch the – Pardon The Interruption, what’s the one, it’s not Pardon The Interruption.

Becky Worley Yes.

John C. Dvorak No, no. The one before that, Around the Horn with Tony Reali. One of the guys always has a sign behind him.

Carlos Rodela Well, it’s “Dvorak, is hilarious.”

John C. Dvorak That says something.

Becky Worley That’s subliminal I think. Well, remember the thing with haptics was we always thought that it was going to be the porn companies that would develop it to its height because you would have some sort of a USB device that you would plug in.

John C. Dvorak Teledildonics.

Becky Worley That’s right, Teledildonics.

John C. Dvorak That’s what it was called and that’s what – well, it’s still called. No, but I don’t know that it’s ever taken off. But why would I know?

Becky Worley Apple –

Natali Del Conte I saw something a little bit like this, at Demo last year. That was the same size as the TechCrunch, but –

John C. Dvorak That figures.

Natali Del Conte It figures? Is that what you just said?

John C. Dvorak Yes.

Natali Del Conte Well…

John C. Dvorak At Demo.

Natali Del Conte I thought that it was such a needed device and it would be made to replace your PDFs or any of your book readers.

John C. Dvorak Oh, I thought you were talking about Teledildonics.

Becky Worley Teladildonics! I got – I was like, woah!

Natali Del Conte No! You guys, that’s gross!

Becky Worley [indiscernible] this too, Natali?

Natali Del Conte No, I don’t know anything about that.

John C. Dvorak I don’t know anything about it. Never heard of it.

Becky Worley She’s never going to come on this show again! We’re harassing her!

Carlos Rodela Do you see me blushing? If you’re watching the show live you can see me blushing.

John C. Dvorak I see, yes. Well not quite, you might be but we’re not getting it.

Natali Del Conte All right next.

Becky Worley Can I stay with our slightly adult team and talk about Apple iPhone apps, just sorry for more Apple, but that have been pulled because of inappropriate content.

John C. Dvorak Yes, they have naked people on – or scantily dressed people and so they decided they don’t want to have anything to do with it.

Becky Worley Right. And these particular apps are sort of like hot or not apps, remember? You would rate am I hot, am I not?

John C. Dvorak Yes.

Becky Worley And then users upload their own photos so of course you can’t control every photo unless it’s approved by the App company themselves.

John C. Dvorak Right.

Becky Worley So Apple pulls it because the user generated content is adult and inappropriate. I get that but the thing that seems so – just hypocritical about this is Apple has an App on my phone right now that gives me complete access to inappropriate material.

John C. Dvorak Yes, this browser.

Becky Worley Safari.

Natali Del Conte The web browser.

John C. Dvorak Yes, yes. I don’t know, I don’t get it either.

Becky Worley I just called [ph] (18:04). And I don’t think so.

John C. Dvorak Well, my comment was that I think they took the scantily clad girls off the iPhone because they were already having enough trouble with smudges on the screen.

Natali Del Conte Gross, John. Bad.

John C. Dvorak What? What?

Becky Worley Okay, I have something, I just wanted to ask. I’m somehow filling the Dvorak role of like moving the tech along. I’m Sorry.

John C. Dvorak Yes, move it along, come on.

Becky Worley How many of you guys downloaded Jackson songs this week off the web? Natali, you’re too young, right?

Natali Del Conte Yes, I did actually. No, I’m not too young! Come on.

Becky Worley What did you get?

Natali Del Conte No, I did, I actually – well because I realized that the Jackson music that I still own is either on tape or record. So I had to go and buy iTunes and I just bought the best stuff. I have actually an interesting story about that because I used to have CDs, Jackson CDs, but I was raised a Jehovah's Witnesses and so when Jack – when Michael Jackson disassociated himself from the Jehovah's Witness faith everyone who was still Jehovah's Witness was told to throw away all of his CDs. So my mom made my sister and I throw all of it…

John C. Dvorak That’s scandal.

Natali Del Conte … in the trash. My sister kept the Remember The Time, I think – I don’t remember the name of that album. Anyway so she kept it and she just hid it. But we had to throw away all of our CDs. So I only have the tapes and the records that we had from the 80s that I hid from my mom.

Becky Worley That’s the most wholesome reason to like have one license that spans your entire life for a piece of music.

Natali Del Conte I know, right?

John C. Dvorak Yeah, I would think.

Natali Del Conte Yes, it’s pretty crazy.

Carlos Rodela Natali, when did he associate himself with the Jehovah's Witness? You said he didn’t – he went away from it?

Natali Del Conte Well, he disassociated – he was raised a Jehovah's Witnesses just like I was. His mother I believe still is and he disassociated himself from the faith in the 90s, I believe in the early 90s, like around 92ish.

John C. Dvorak Isn’t there some code word, Natali, that’s something like disassociate or you’ve been disassociated or something that will – if you tell any Jehovah's Witnesses that come to your door, they’ll never come back again?

Natali Del Conte Well you can be disfellowshipped, which means they kick you out…

John C. Dvorak Disfellowshiped. That’s the key word.

Natali Del Conte …but he disassociated himself, which means he was the one who removed himself. They’re two different words. So if you’re disfellowshipped that means they kicked you out. If you are disassociated you kicked yourself out.

John C. Dvorak Okay, so if you give – if a Jehovah's Witnesses comes to your door – we have nothing but good facts on this show, ladies and gentlemen. So if a Jehovah's Witnesses comes to your door and you say ‘I’m sorry but I have been disfellowshipped’ they never come back again.

Becky Worley Wow! I thought you could also have a Buddha in the closet.

Natali Del Conte Because they are not allowed to talk to you.

Becky Worley I heard that too. You could – as soon as you see – open the door and ‘Buddhist, sorry.’

Carlos Rodela I know we want to get back to tech, but how do you get disfellowshipped? Is there like a set of things?

Natali Del Conte You have to do something that violates the rules and not be repentant for it.

Carlos Rodela Oh not sorry at all.

Natali Del Conte I am neither disfellowshiped nor I am disassociated. I am just inactive.

Becky Worley Inactive?

Natali Del Conte Which is whole third tier of – we don’t need to about it. Let’s not talk about it.

Carlos Rodela Anyway…

Becky Worley It’s like everyone’s Friendster memberships.

Natali Del Conte Or tangenine [ph]. Yes.

John C. Dvorak Yes that’s it. Jehovah's Witnesses and Friendster that’s about – that’s a good, yes, okay, great

Natali Del Conte Now, let’s get back to Michael Jackson.

John C. Dvorak And her email is

Becky Worley Carlos, did you download Michael Jackson’s stuff?

Carlos Rodela No I listened to him on Pandora and then when I went out to dance, whatever, it was everywhere, I couldn’t escape it, so.

Becky Worley So –

Carlos Rodela But he was big deal. Like, when I grew up I had the whole bubble card – bubble gum and stickers and you know the picture with him with the sweater on the wall. I mean I had the whole deal, until he went crazy a little bit, but yeah.

Becky Worley Yes. Off The Wall was my first album…

Carlos Rodela Oh, that’s good.

Becky Worley …so I was fascinated by these stats, check this. So, says at its peak 42,000 people were listening to Michael Jackson at one time. Post death, Michael sold 422,000 albums in the week.

Natali Del Conte Wow.

Becky Worley It was at 10K the last week before he was alive, so massive explosion. And half of those were downloaded albums. 2.3 million downloaded singles and prior to that no one artist had ever downloaded more than a million singles in a week. So the guy is like 500 million in debt, I am thinking that he took a substantial chunk out of that this last week and probably as the hype dies down, significant amounts will be ebbed away in his 500 mil in debt.

John C. Dvorak Well they think most of it will be covered by The Beatles – you know The Beatles, what is it called the…

Becky Worley Publishing rights.

John C. Dvorak Yes, but it’s a name for it. Somebody will know it in the chat room. Anyway that’s probably worth about – Sony’s going to buy it probably for about 400 they’ve said.

Becky Worley Well they already own half of it.

John C. Dvorak Yes, but then they get their first rights for the rest of it.

Becky Worley Yes. I mean, the whole thing about Google thinking it was –

John C. Dvorak The catalogue – The Beatles catalogue.

Becky Worley That Google thought that it was a malicious attack in terms of all the Michael Jackson traffic, it’s unreal.

John C. Dvorak Well Adam Curry was on MSNBC and we have a clip that will be on No Agenda, not to plug that, but I will. Where he apparently, since he – they asked him a dumb question he decided to go off the deep end and he started a ranting about it; ‘why aren’t they investigating this as a murder?’

Becky Worley Oh wow!

John C. Dvorak And that was…

Natali Del Conte Oh no…

John C. Dvorak …they got him cut him off the show and that was the end of it and they hung up on him.

Natali Del Conte Adam has such great stories about Michael Jackson too, about them putting him on a box when they – he did tosses to him and stuff. He has great stories about MTV in the 80s and the 90s.

Leo Laporte Hi Leo Laporte here. Hello guys, hope you’re having a good time sitting on my ball, drinking my liquor and doing TWiT without me. I’m in China right now, but I had to just stop by and say hi. And thank Audible for supporting the show. And besides if I don’t do the commercial then Dvorak has to do something else. In the commercials you see – if John had to do commercials he wouldn’t get to get up, wander around, baste his meat, that kind of thing. So this is the portion of the show where John wanders and bastes while I tell you how great Audible is.

We’ve got a special deal, the Audible Platinum deal, now that’s – I’m a Platinum member, that means I get two books a month. Believe me, I use them. But even if you don’t, the nice thing about Audible you can collect your books and you never lose the right to play them or listen to them. Even if you lose them from your hard drive you can always re-download them from Audible.

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John C. Dvorak So anyway, back to tech. Becky?

Becky Worley What am I? Okay, all right. What have I got here?

John C. Dvorak Becky’s like my – you’re going to like Ed McMahon.

Becky Worley I know.

John C. Dvorak Becky, what do else you get here on the list?

Becky Worley Great, I am on the death list again.

John C. Dvorak What you got on the – what’s on the list there, Becky?

Becky Worley Okay I like this story. So coming out of an Australian blog, they’re saying that Lenovo’s making a bigger delete key and getting rid of the caps lock key on their new notepads.

John C. Dvorak Well I applaud them because the caps lock key is idiotic, the delete key doesn’t go there of course, it goes up in the other right hand corner. But the delete key should be bigger, because people pound it. Pound, pound, pound.

Natali Del Conte Right. But they’re going to make delete and escape bigger because apparently the average user uses it something like 700 times per week or something like that. But I actually do use caps lock all the time to write scripts for broadcast. But I don’t think there’s any other reason to use it unless you’re just being a jerk in instant message.

John C. Dvorak Yes. I agree. There’s no reason for it. The thing – I mean, used to be useful in certain kinds of programming languages that required all upper case and some other things. But they left it on here and every once in while you accidentally tag it and the next thing you are typing in all caps and people are yelling at you for screaming at them.

Becky Worley Or your passwords are all jacked up and you don’t notice because you’re seeing an asterisk and you’re not seeing it.

John C. Dvorak Right.

Becky Worley And so many of us who are keyboarders, we don’t touch type, so we’re looking at the keyboard anyways. So my question is what – the keyboard has been under-represented in terms of innovation. So what would you change about the keyboard?

John C. Dvorak You know there was a company up –

Natali Del Conte Well I think he’d probably go to the Dvorak keyboard.

John C. Dvorak There was a keyboard that these guys, what was the name of this company? something like Gateway, well it’s not Gateway but it sounded like Gateway, it was a company in the 80s and they re-did the keyboard specifically with the caps lock key moved and they moved a couple of other things and I wish I could remember it. Somebody will come up with it. But anyway – and I still have one of those keyboards and it has a big star like one of the keys – so when you do star dot star or anything like. It’s just was like – Northgate – that’s the name I wanted.

And they had this really good keyboard and it was selling like hot cakes, I mean, people would buy the Northgate keyboard and I don’t know what happened. Just people, just – Northgate went out of business and nobody decided to keep up with the – by the way, chat room, you guys are great. I can be like an idiot here. Well I am anyway. But I’m just saying. So you just – ‘hearts Northgate’ says Miss M.

Becky Worley Nice. I would have – definitely the DotCom button like you have on the iPhone, that’s great.

Natali Del Conte I like that.

Becky Worley I would get a huge mute button, so that not-safe-for-office video comes up and suddenly you realize it and find it. I would change print screen to ‘screen grab.’

John C. Dvorak What’s the point of print screen? It doesn’t even doing anything.

Becky Worley But it’s – why is it such a vestigial appendage? Can’t we get it just to say screen grab? That’s what it is, nobody gets that.

John C. Dvorak It would be great idea.

Natali Del Conte That’s a good idea.

Becky Worley And then my other one – go ahead Natali.

Natali Del Conte Well, they – you know they try with those email buttons that are just like a picture with the little envelop or the back or the browser and no one really uses those. Those never really took off.

Becky Worley Right, right.

Natali Del Conte But those would be a good idea if we can actually get them working with our operating system.

John C. Dvorak I don’t see why not.

Becky Worley Keyboard – the chat room says get rid of insert, scroll lock.

John C. Dvorak scroll lock’s another dog.

Becky Worley I hate that one.

John C. Dvorak So meanwhile the chat room is going nuts about making us want to talk about CompuServe dying. So this story comes out, by the way, so I’m reading and somebody said, ‘CompuServe, CompuServe rest in peace’, somebody blogged it on – one my bloggers.

Becky Worley Hold on. Let me fire up my Mosaic browser. Hold on.

John C. Dvorak And I am going ‘CompuServe is out of business – weren’t – I thought they were out of business 10 years ago.’

Becky Worley Well I ran down to RadioShack and I bought Internet in a Box and I got the CompuServe membership along with my Mosaic browser. I think it was $150.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, remember those old – your addresses has always have something like 71377.6543, something like that. And by the way you’d notice that the funny thing about CompuServe people don’t realize is that if you look at those numbers that were your CompuServe numbers, there was never an 8 or a 9 because they were using an octal computer. Seriously, so nothing could go above 7. 0 to –

Becky Worley What’s an octal computer?

John C. Dvorak Instead of the base –

Becky Worley Binary?

John C. Dvorak Instead of binary – instead of a base 16, like we have hex…

Becky Worley Oh! Okay

John C. Dvorak …it’s a base eight.

Becky Worley Wow!

John C. Dvorak So it’s 0 to 8 – 0 to 7 were the only numbers allowable.

Carlos Rodela Wikipedia says CompuServe was founded in 1969. That’s – they were that old?

John C. Dvorak Yeah. No – well it wasn’t what it was. It wasn’t an information utility in 1969, it was something else.

Carlos Rodela Oh okay.

John C. Dvorak It became an information utility after – I think the source was the first one.

Becky Worley So here is a little side bar that was, again, thank you chat room reminded me of this. So last time I was on Leo was talking about how he uses news groups to get music downloads because nobody ever keeps an eye on them.

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Becky Worley And what happens this week?

John C. Dvorak Well, thank you Leo. All you news group users can thank Leo for pointing this out.

Becky Worley Apparently the IRW was listening.

John C. Dvorak The IRW was listening to Leo show. Good work, Leo.

Becky Worley They’ve tried – trying to clamp down on news group.

John C. Dvorak Oh they are suing them.

Becky Worley Transmission of the old download files, song files.

John C. Dvorak So anyway…

Carlos Rodela This is – I won’t get into them because that opens up a huge can of worms for me, because the music industry and digital and – if we want to go down that road, let me know. I’ll talk about it for a while.

John C. Dvorak Go down the road. Give us what your pet peeve is besides your phone.

Carlos Rodela My phone’s awesome, it’s right here, it’s Samsung Finesse. It’s really good.

Natali Del Conte Well before you say this I think we should say that it’s not necessarily – I mean this sets a disturbing precedence, but Usenet was just – this was lazy, like they didn’t provide evidence when they needed it in the trial. Like they just didn’t defend themselves representative of the whole music industry. They could have done a much better job and that’s their bad. They didn’t have to lose this case.

Carlos Rodela Yeah. I mean just in general you put this together with that case against the lady for what was it, 1.9, $2 million or billion or whatever. Yeah it’s just them failing to evolve and they’re an old dinosaur that’s dying out. Instead they could be looking at new ways to deliver digital media to the fans who want it and on top of that the things that – I am actually starting a music site at some point in the end of the year – well, just a little sign out there.

And – but you know all the things that people want, like the t-shirts and the concert tickets and all those kind of stuff, this secondary stuff that people love from artists, that’s what they should be focusing on and that’s what the artists are making money on anyhow. So instead of just keeping going over and over this whole like ‘all right don’t get the songs, they’ve got the songs.’ Just give away free songs, promote the artist that you really care about and then sell things on the back end. I mean that’s the model that – it works in others countries, it works in other, in Spain or other places that are trying it. So they’re just totally off the mark and I think everybody knows it. It’s just how they move their whole old system over.

John C. Dvorak, And we should mention by the way it’s, not the giant Usenet as a whole that got sued.

Carlos Rodela Right.

Becky Worley, So Carlos how do you feel about the ASCAP issue, now they’re talking about charging more for ringtones, because they are perceived of as a concert, or a public broadcasting of song.

John C. Dvorak This – I think it was the funniest story all week.

Carlos Rodela Unbelievable

Becky Worley Which I mean my favorite part about this is –

John C. Dvorak Who comes up with these – so does somebody sit – and how long did it take him to come to this conclusion? You’ve only had ringtones that are songs for the last, what 15 years? So somebody’s just taking a [expletive] obviously – oh I am sorry I shouldn’t use bad language in the show.

Natali Del Conte Language. Birds in the airs.

Becky Worley Poo poo

Carlos Rodela Poo poo.

John C. Dvorak Somebody was in the crapper and it donned on them – ‘holy...!’ because their phone rang or somebody’s phone rang and they said ‘wait a minute, isn’t that slighting the family stone tune?’ They should be – we should be charging a nickel for that.

Carlos Rodela They said ‘holy crap.’

Becky Worley That’s right. ‘Holy pooh-pooh’. So the back-story is they are already charging for the ringtone as a distribution of the song, but now they’re wanting to add extra costs.

John C. Dvorak Performance charges.

Becky Worley Performance charges because it’s broadcast publicly and so the parallel that’s being thrown down is ‘so do you have to pay extra if you are going to listen to music in a convertible? Do you have to – or in a boom box?’

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Carlos Rodela Yeah. And what’s even more insane, I mean this is all insanity. We are talking about crazy talk right now, but –

Natali Del Conte We are but let’s indulge in this crazy talk.

Carlos Rodela I know, believe – we can talk for a long time. But the ringtones themselves are preposterous, I mean like 3.49 and yet the actual songs is 99 cents. I mean the model’s already broken.

Natali Del Conte Yes I still can’t believe that that model exists. When ringtones started to become popular, I thought that that was going to be something that was popular for like two weeks with the teenagers and then gone. But people still buy the same song that they already own in their library just to ring on their phone. I really do not understand it. I feel like it’s a complete generation gap.

Becky Worley You know I get it a little bit, it’s like using a song for an ad, that using a song for an ad should cost more than just using a song say in a movie or something because it brings the emotion of the song to the brand. Well the same thing is true of a ringtone. It brings the emotion of a song to you. When people hear it, they associate that song with you and it becomes sort of like your personal soundtrack. And it’s – I just – I get that. That makes sense to me I don’t like it but I get it, it makes sense. But it is amazing how much traction it’s had.

Carlos Rodela But like John said –

Natali Del Conte Yeah but it’s a generational thing. It’s not us. Like would you pay 2.99 for a song that you paid 89 cents in Amazon for just so that it can ring out loud when you’re in public and people can hear that you like Bootylicious?

Becky Worley If I had the time, yes. If I had the time I’d do it.

John C. Dvorak If you had the time you could just make the thing into a ringtone yourself, it doesn’t take any…

Carlos Rodela That’s what I was going to say, yeah, now there’s programs that can like convert all these songs that you download into a ringtone. So yeah it’s ridiculous.

Natali Del Conte Well there is – but I mean I live in Manhattan and if someone on a bus or any kind of public area just starts blaring Bootylicious on their phone I’m going to give them a dirty look. Like I don’t like that and I just don’t think that people appreciate it anymore. Like once it was a cool thing like I had the – when I moved to LA I put the 90210 theme song on my phone because it was a gimmick.

John C. Dvorak Natali what’s a dirty look from you?

Becky Worley Yes I want to see this.

John C. Dvorak I want to see that dirty look.

Becky Worley Show me your poo poo look.

John C. Dvorak That’s the stink eye.

Becky Worley That is stick eye. Oh you look –

Natali Del Conte That’s what it looks like if you have Bootylicious on your phone next to me here in Manhattan.

Carlos Rodela Hey, Natali, where are you in Manhattan? I am from New York actually originally.

Natali Del Conte I don’t think I want to say that on TWiT.

Carlos Rodela Oh right.

Natali Del Conte But I’ll instant message you.

John C. Dvorak She’s going to get stuck – yeah, that’s trouble.

Becky Worley I have another personal question though. What would your ringtone be now?

Natali Del Conte Now? I don’t know.

Becky Worley Carlos?

Natali Del Conte See I am so against ringtones in general that I just can’t come up with any

John C. Dvorak Do you have a rooster, what is – you have to have a ring?

Becky Worley John?

John C. Dvorak I have some crazy new age thing that is in three dimensions on this Nokia and that floats around the room.

Becky Worley Oh it is very spatial?

John C. Dvorak And then it says the person’s name.

Becky Worley Oh!

Carlos Rodela Yeah actually that’s what I have too. I was going to say, John you want to call me, look I can play, there’s like this lady’s voice.

John C. Dvorak My phone’s in the other room or somewhere, I don’t know where it is.

Carlos Rodela It has a lady’s voice on the phone that just says ‘John Dvorak is calling.’

Natali Del Conte Oh celestial, very celestial.

John C. Dvorak My sound’s more like somebody with some speech defect. Something like [makes indiscernible noises]

Natali Del Conte In the chat room they are saying Keyboard Cat. I think Keyboard Cat would be a perfect ringtone.

Becky Worley Ooh, what’s that? Sing it.

John C. Dvorak Don’t sing it.

Natali Del Conte Keyboard Cat?

Carlos Rodela Just a melody.

Natali Del Conte Yeah, no it’s not a –

John C. Dvorak No singing on the show. Don’t we have any more news or let’s go?

John C. Dvorak Okay.

Carlos Rodela Yeah let’s get back to tech, let’s get back to tech.

Becky Worley I have a Bing question. So Natali, you want throw in some Bing stuff from this week in terms of the facts and figures or..?

Natali Del Conte I don’t have that.

Becky Worley Just some of the like I know that there’s been –

Natali Del Conte The fact that Bing has gained a whole point and percentage? I don’t have the numbers in front of me.

Becky Worley That was the one I think that is most interesting, it was like the whole, the – I’m sorry I didn’t mean to put you on the –

Natali Del Conte No that’s okay. I just don’t have the numbers in front of me, you go ahead and then I’ll –

Becky Worley No you just did. It’s the gained the percentage point.

John C. Dvorak Yeah. Wow

Becky Worley They pulled from Yahoo and from Google…

Carlos Rodela That’s a poo poo Bing, but isn’t it, remember I think me and Dvorak were talking about it. It’s just MSN Live Search right? I mean, it’s got Facebook.

Natali Del Conte But prettier.

John C. Dvorak Clear pictures

Carlos Rodela Yeah. It’s got Facebook, it’s MSN Live Search.

Becky Worley Don’t undercut the pretty pictures. This is – my Bing theory is that I love – the pictures make me feel good. I am excited to see with the new picture’s going to be. I am like I went today I’m like ‘wow what’s that?’

John C. Dvorak ‘Oh there is a new picture today! Ohh!’

Carlos Rodela ‘Hey I wonder if my search will be better?’

John C. Dvorak I’ll send you some picture you can look at mine.

Becky Worley I have an emotional relationship with Bing – ha! Block.

Natali Del Conte I really was thinking about this as I was walking along the street today, which makes me a loser, but I was thinking why did Google come in and sweep in over Yahoo? And it’s not because the users understood the algorithm was better for Google.

Becky Worley Agreed.

Natali Del Conte It’s because it was cleaner, I think. That people really understood that it’s not clogged up when I search for something like ‘shoes’, that they will get a simple result and I think that’s what Bing is going after and I think they have a right, I love Bing.

John C. Dvorak Now that’s interesting you should bring that up, because Yahoo had a very simple interface for years when it was doing really well and it was the same thing, it was just Yahoo and had a little a box. It didn’t have that front page like they have now with a bunch of news and stuff.

Becky Worley No that was a directory. People perceived it as a directory.

John C. Dvorak And it was also a directory but they – even when it was becoming a search engine, normal search engine, it wasn’t that complicated. Then they get the new – these – they all of a sudden, all of the experts started to show up, these professional managers. And they had to start mucking with that simple interface and I will predict right now, this is a little early, that this will happen eventually to Google. Somebody’s going to come along…

Natali Del Conte But it already is happening with my Google and then if that becomes your default page and then you have all the same crap that you have on Yahoo. It’s sports and news and all that stuff.

John C. Dvorak Yes I agree with that 100 – I think the simple thing you got a box, you type in it and then you get your list and now you go on your way.

Carlos Rodela That’s exactly what I never did that, my Google because I saw my friend using and it was just full of stuff and that’s not what I want. That’s not what I want.

John C. Dvorak Junk

Becky Worley But it’s interesting because now it’s gone full circle that Yahoo – I just don’t think people perceive it as a search engine anymore, they perceive it as a news outlet. So get these numbers. Yahoo news, 4.3 million unique viewers in May. CNN, 3.29. And their point is they are the number one news source in the world. They kill ABC, CBS, CNN, BBC.

John C. Dvorak But at the same time there are portals to those sites.

Becky Worley But they also house that content in their own windows.

John C. Dvorak Yeah .

Becky Worley So I mean it’s interesting that it’s come full circle. So we’re returning to Yahoo as a news source, not perceiving it as a search. Bing; I wonder if the average population even equate it with Microsoft. The name is genius I think.

Natali Del Conte I think so too.

Becky Worley My other thing about the name is it’s a great verb. I Binged it. I’m not saying I would use it, but it sounds like ping and that sounds sort of geeky, people used to say it.

John C. Dvorak They should have named it ‘Ping’.

Natali Del Conte Okay well what’s the past tense of Bing? Bong? ‘I bonged it’?

Becky Worley ‘I Bonged it.’

Carlos Rodela Oh jeez Louise.

John C. Dvorak I’m not doing it. I’m not using it.

Becky Worley I know, you don’t like the pictures.

Natali Del Conte You will. You might have said you wouldn’t have Googled before.

John C. Dvorak No, no I – when Google became a verb, I thought it was a good idea. It made minor sense and I remember when it happened. Back in the olden days.

Becky Worley By the way, the picture on Bing today is of some sort of a village in China. No doubt Leo Laporte’s reach extending. I think he took that picture and he stitched it together with his iPhone.

Natali Del Conte I think that might be him right there in the top right corner in the yellow shirt.

Becky Worley I see him. I definitely see him.

Natali Del Conte That’s Leo. Yeah.

John C. Dvorak Bad-a-bing. Chandler Bong.

Natali Del Conte It’s Chanandler Bong if we’re really going to get technical with Friends trivia.

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John C. Dvorak All right. So what else have we got, Becky?

Becky Worley You are the laziest git I have ever met.

John C. Dvorak ‘What else we got on the agenda, Becky?’

Natali Del Conte I have some stories too. No one’s talked about my stories.

John C. Dvorak Okay. Natali give us your story.

Natali Del Conte Let’s talk about advertising on the Kindle. Because Amazon has filed for a patent to put advertisements in books. So if you’re reading about something like China then on maybe some little subset of the Kindle somewhere you can get an advertisement for Chinese food, which is location-aware because the Kindle has Sprint on it so it will know where you are. So what do you think about advertisements in your e-books?

John C. Dvorak I don’t like it. I don’t like the idea. If I’m reading a book, I don’t want the book telling me to go buy stuff. Unless I’m reading a catalogue. What do you think?

Natali Del Conte Yeah. I mean but the same thing can be said for email, the same thing can be said for search or reading anything online like we don’t get to choose.

John C. Dvorak So you apparently like the idea.

Natali Del Conte If it brings the price of the Kindle down I would be okay with it, because I still think the Kindle’s too expensive.

Carlos Rodela The only difference is about we’re talking about is competing with real books and real books is an experience that it’s being challenged by Kindle. But I mean the minute you start putting ads in it I’m taking out the experience and that’s the reason I was reading a book. I was reading a book because there was nothing else to distract me, it was a book and it was a great story or whatever I was reading. So I despise this idea. Silly.

John C. Dvorak Good for you.

Becky Worley But wouldn’t you have an opt-in model, where you either buy the content full price or you get a great discount because it’s going to be ad-supported and that…

Natali Del Conte Right.

Becky Worley ...allows more people have access to it? I mean –

John C. Dvorak I think Carlos is right.

Carlos Rodela Well it’s part of the greed, because it should be cheaper anyhow.

Becky Worley Well it is though and that’s one thing I’ll say, is everybody disses the Kindle and the prices but – I mean I just got – this is so embarrassing, the entire Jane Austen collection for $0.99 on the Kindle.

Natali Del Conte What?

Carlos Rodela Oh that’s good.

Becky Worley $0.99 for the whole collection. I went back and got Rudyard Kipling’s Kim, $0.99. And that…

John C. Dvorak These are all public domain books. They should be free.

Natali Del Conte But not on Kindle.

Becky Worley But the convenience for having them within seconds, I‘ll pay $0.99 for that. And I don’t know if they’re in the public domain.

Natali Del Conte So you don’t have to convert it or email it to your Kindle account, I would do that too.

Becky Worley Yes.

Natali Del Conte Yes, I am totally okay with it.

John C. Dvorak I agree with web whatever it is, web baiting $0.99 is too much. The guy’s right –

Natali Del Conte But wait I want to ask Carlos, he said that I am only reading a book because nothing else is available like books are just the last resort to entertainment to use in our free time?

Carlos Rodela No, no, no, no, no, I think you misunderstood, I said –

John C. Dvorak I’d buy that as a last resort.

Carlos Rodela No, I meant like if I wanted to read a book – if I want to read a book that – I don’t want anything else around. I don’t want the other experiences, I didn’t – there’s lots of things that obviously – to do and to watch and see. I just mean if I have a book, I want that to be the only experience that I’m having, I don’t want to be distracted…

Becky Worley Yes, you want it to have your undivided attention.

Carlos Rodela Yes, totally. I mean – and plus my attention’s all over the place.

Natali Del Conte It’s divided.

John C. Dvorak We’re noticing.

Carlos Rodela Yeah. Yeah.

Becky Worley Well, but that is so true that for those of who are way multitasking, that the discipline of going back to a book is one of the few things that holds true. I wonder if ‘the kids nowadays’ will feel that way? No? Maybe not.

Natali Del Conte I don’t know.

John C. Dvorak Nobody.

Natali Del Conte I don’t know. The problem is, yeah, he’s right though, if you’re like reading a book for instance, when I read Memoirs of a Geisha I was starving for sushi the whole time. And so if I was reading that book and they go for sushi and then I’m like there’s an ad for sushi I’m like ‘yeah, I want that’ and then I put the book down and I’m eating my sushi and I don’t go back…

John C. Dvorak And the sushi comes three days later on UPS Brockden…

Natali Del Conte Yeah, right.

John C. Dvorak So –

Natali Del Conte And then I have food poisoning and then I’m not for this idea now that you put it that way.

John C. Dvorak So – okay so Becky what else we got?

Becky Worley Did you read The New York Times article I sent you? And I know I sent it to you late, but I just wanted to kind of brief you about the new press, the new P.R. in Silicon Valley. So I wanted to throw this out there, because there is this article about how with blogs and with twittering, with Facebook that – and especially I think with podcasts and influential sites like Engadget and CNET and gdgt, that PR is a totally different game than it used to be back in the day of Silicon Valley. And I just kind of wanted to get your take on what was the PR machine when you first started in this business and what it is now?

John C. Dvorak ‘When I was a kid, it wasn’t what it was today. I remember back when P.R wasn’t P.R., it was P.S.’

Becky Worley Dvorak loves it when I date him, but come on.

John C. Dvorak She hasn’t dated me for years. “Spinning the Web P.R. in Silicon Valley” an article by Claire Cain Miller, if that is indeed her real name.

Becky Worley So let me –

John C. Dvorak Oh and it starts all with the Brooke, Brooke Hammerling as the lead word in the whole thing Brooke, congratulations. Good work. So Brooke wrote this.

Natali Del Conte No but this was good PR for Brooke for sure...

John C. Dvorak Yeah Brooke wrote this…

Becky Worley But let me synopsize for you as you sort of roll through but basically…

John C. Dvorak This is unbelievable.

Becky Worley …what they are saying –

John C. Dvorak She’s got her name in the – wait a minute – wait, wait. She’s got, you’ve got to see this thing. You will have a link – no we won’t, well whatever. Brooke Hammerling starts off in the first graph “Brooke Hammerling publicist” and blah, blah, blah, then the second graph “Ms. Hammerling”, she gets her name again in the first word in the – it’s unbelievable. This is like – this is a typical New York Times piece of crap.

Natali Del Conte It goes on, they call her a doyenne. On the second page it calls her a doyenne. of modern day P.R.

John C. Dvorak She’s got her name again, Hammerling.

Natali Del Conte Which is like the woman who is the most respected person in her field. Like it’s a full on PR for…

John C. Dvorak We love you Brooke, but doyenne? Please.

Natali Del Conte Yeah right.

Becky Worley Well the point is it that, in the past P.R. was about writing a great press release and really getting it out to the right people and now that it’s all about relationships and that everybody is friends and I just think this is funny because…

John C. Dvorak No I don’t think that’s…

Becky Worley …John is friends with no one and I am friends with no one.

John C. Dvorak I am friends with Brooke.

Carlos Rodela Oh I think [indiscernible] is your friend.

Natali Del Conte So am I, but I think that…

John C. Dvorak We all know Brooke. She’s in New York.

Natali Del Conte …well the thing is, we – I’m going to move my camera because the sun’s going down. The thing is we can see right through this, though as journalists. Like I know Brooke and I am friends with her and I’m happy to be, but new P.R. people who come in and then try and just kind of be your friend in this way in order for you to get them to cover your companies, we can see through that. I’m not sure this is really the new way of P.R. Most of the time it just annoys me when you falsify a friendship that’s not pre-existing.

John C. Dvorak No, Becky I’ll tell you – I don’t think it’s changed that much. I think what’s changed is that they don’t have, except for Walt and a few, one or two others, they don’t have the outlets anymore. They used to have like a bunch of computer magazines and the whole bunch of people they could rely to write stuff up and there were computer columnists in all the newspapers across the entire country and they could do a lot of stuff. Now they’ve got a few bloggers, they got Walt, they got Natali, you to some extent but again it’s not the same as – sorry about that.

Natali Del Conte No one has me. I can’t be bought.

John C. Dvorak But it’s not the same, it’s not the same as having this you know where you can send million press releases out and get action. Now you have to – you do have to be friends. If you don’t have – if these people don’t know you personally, you’re not even going to take their call, knowing you. I mean you won’t take my call.

Becky Worley That’s so untrue.

Natali Del Conte Me?

John C. Dvorak No I am talking that to – whatsername name over here. And…

Becky Worley But I mean, I think, what was the interesting is that it’s become such a layered animal. That in the past like you said it was very clear, you had newspapers, you had TV, you had local, you had national and you had magazines. And now it’s like this filtered system where you have to start at these really sort of niche boutique types of websites.

John C. Dvorak I think it’s impossible, I think the business is shot.

Becky Worley I do too.

John C. Dvorak I think the P.R. business is a mess.

Becky Worley I do too, I think it is a wreck. I notice working for a major news outlet, what we put on ABC that’s technology-related, we get it about 75% right in terms of what we pay attention to. But we disproportionally pay attention to Google. We diss Microsoft, we diss Yahoo because it is not as cool, we’re obsessed with new but we don’t go back and check in when things have been improved, which is second-gen, third-gen products. We – I just feel like it’s sort of – it’s like high school all over again and we’re only dating the pretty girls and not looking at the substance. And it bugs me because P.R. companies don’t help.

Natali Del Conte But aren’t you saying that –

Becky Worley And I know for myself I need that help. You know I would love to have better help determining, getting through all the mess.

Natali Del Conte But are you saying that companies are hiring P.R. people based on their looks and so it’s – I mean because that does seem to be true if you go to any –

John C. Dvorak Well that’s always been true but I don’t think that that’s what the point is.

Becky Worley Yeah I am – I have noticed that trend but it’s more that – I am talking about the –

John C. Dvorak It’s not a trend. It’s not a trend.

Becky Worley I am talking about the products themselves, that we get obsessed with sexy and new and at a national level, looking at products. And we don’t dig in and see the meat of the stuff that’s really, really effective and the products that are really life changing as opposed to the products that are just really sexy. And I think P.R. is part of the problem. But the whole machine seems broken to me.

Natali Del Conte Yes.

John C. Dvorak I think the machine’s broken completely. I’m going to have to look – I am looking at this article, this is the worst article I have ever read. I am talking – because it just rambles, it doesn’t really say anything. It’s just ‘blah, blah, blah, blah, Hammerling, Hammerling, Hammerling’ I mean – good work on her getting herself bunch of publicity, it’s not going to help.

Becky Worley But I mean, that‘s the whole thing, the story’s about all of her personal relationships and all the parties she throws and the expensive dinners and I don’t personally –

John C. Dvorak I never got invited in any these things. Hey what’s the deal?

Becky Worley You do so I’ve been out on one big dinner in my life

Natali Del Conte You do too, you’re always complaining that you don’t, but you do.

John C. Dvorak What?

Becky Worley Yes.

John C. Dvorak This is a myth.

Becky Worley You are so full of it.

Carlos Rodela It is a myth. I haven’t seen him at any parties and I’m at all of them so, you know.

John C. Dvorak He’s right.

Carlos Rodela He’s not there. Dvorak is missing.

Becky Worley But who – Natali come on, you go to these parties, who’s there?

John C. Dvorak Not me.

Natali Del Conte You know what, it’s the P.R. people talking to the P.R. people.

Becky Worley See?

Natali Del Conte And the ones in New York, I’ll go and stop and have some free crab cakes or whatever and then I’ll leave before I can get taken a photo of by Brian Solis which – I like Brian Solis, but I don’t want to be photographed and put on his blogs so that it looks like he has this relationship in which he can – and I am not saying anything bad about Brian and I hope I don’t make it on his blog for saying this, but…

But you know, like I’ll see myself, it’s sort of he’s creating this Mano story that says that he knows the influencers. But I am not sure that that really get his clients covered, I don’t know. I do know Brian and I do know Brooke and I like them but for instance I had someone pitch me once this ATM technology story and they’re like ‘you know when you’re drunk in the mission at 4 a.m. and you’re looking for an ATM, this is a product that can help you.’ And I was like, ‘I don’t think you can you talk to me that way, we don’t have a pre-existing relationship so I am not exactly sure how that translates into ROI.’

John C. Dvorak Drunk in the mission at 4 a.m.?

Natali Del Conte Yes, don’t you think that’s an inappropriate pitch for someone who has never talked to me?

John C. Dvorak Well I think it’s a brain dead pitch, I don’t know how inappropriate it is. For one thing since you live in New York that’s a long way to go to get drunk. So I think…

Natali Del Conte Well, this is when I was still in the Bay Area.

John C. Dvorak Okay well you didn’t have to step on my joke there, come on.

So anyway okay so the point of this little diatribe is what, Becky?

Becky Worley Well John, I was just –

John C. Dvorak PR sucks.

Becky Worley No.

John C. Dvorak Okay well whatever.

Becky Worley I just think the machine – I just – I am just curious as to –

John C. Dvorak And how it’s always been about relationships.

Becky Worley Yes. I mean – and as someone who’s trying to make good decisions, we need as much help as we can getting the newest stuff under our eyes under NBA.

John C. Dvorak You actually should be – you should be – probably have the phone ringing off the hook. You’re on television right? Big network television.

Becky Worley I am fascinated by what it makes across my email and what doesn’t.

John C. Dvorak Probably a lot of the stuff that – Europe must be stunned, this would be my guess. And I would say the same for you, Natali, because you’re on network television. This is a big audience, this is not like 25 people you know and their dog. This is big audiences. You must be stunned, I am guessing, by the amount of stuff you don’t hear about.

Becky Worley That is my truth. I am shocked when I don’t hear about something and I don’t hear about because it’s all going to…

John C. Dvorak You don’t hear probably about most – it goes to Arrington.

Becky Worley Engadget and Gizmodo and Arrington and Scoble.

John C. Dvorak And Scoble. Who are just talking to each other.

Becky Worley Yeah.

Natali Del Conte Yeah.

Becky Worley And that being said I can talk about toothpaste coupons and it’s the number four search term on Google. But I haven’t heard about something new coming in and I don’t get to put it on TV. It’s crazy how weird the system is.

John C. Dvorak Well you know I have mentioned this to Leo, because Leo has – this show here that people are out there listening to. It happens to have a huge impact. He’s got a big following of people and he should be getting pitched on everything. But I can’t use him as a very good example, because he refuses to answer email and he doesn’t take phone calls and so I don’t know.

Becky Worley But that’s one of the things that I am saying is that the people who actually reach out and influence the most users, quantity, we don’t play the game. We don’t go to the parties – I don’t, I mean it’s just weird, it just seems like a [expletive] to me and when you’re not in the circle it’s just weird. That’s all I’m saying.

Carlos Rodela I 100% agree. I 100% agree with you. I think the wrong people are going to these parties and communication is not happening with the right people.

John C. Dvorak And by the way, if you’ve – if nobody is out there has noticed – and I will also put this on the head of – people that don’t advertise much anymore. The industry is in the toilet and also…

Carlos Rodela You might have looked, noticed.

John C. Dvorak …all they’re doing is going to parties and talking to each other and one guy talks to the other guy and they had the little, the circle of bloggers that all read each others blog but it doesn’t get really any further. And the amount of influence is only amongst the insiders and it’s like a clique and then the entire industry is in the tank and everybody wonders why? Well.

Carlos Rodela Yes. John, it’s very much like the music industry too because I was in – I do music as well. And a lot of these bands, I come from the northwest, I just came down from Seattle and they all kind of like pat each other on their back and go to each other shows and – but they are not doing anything else outside of that state, right. So it’s the same type of mentality. I mean these guys are just talking with each other and again patting each other on the back. But they’re not communicating, evolving and learning how to grow the business in the right directions.

Natali Del Conte Right, it tends to be incestuous and just like I said, they’re so ROI there.

Carlos Rodela Yes, exactly. Yeah.

John C. Dvorak And one of the things that I’ve always complained about especially in this industry, which is one of the reasons – I don’t go to conferences for a lot of different reasons. I go to some. But generally speaking I don’t because you can get as much as – they’re so – they’re over-covered and you can the information in other ways. But its this group thing mentally that they really get to me the most, which is that this one guys says something – I say to, o guy A to talks to guy B and says ‘this is happening.’ And then he talks to guy C and says ‘this is happening’. And then B and C talk to each other and they both agree ‘yes it must be happening because you heard about it and I heard about it and I understand what’s his name’s talking about it.’

And the next thing you know, it’s in The Wall Street Journal as happening when people, the normal people go ‘what? This isn’t happening.’

Carlos Rodela But, Dvorak, I should bring with me to the conferences, because that’s why I go to them, is because I feel like I stand out because you know, those people are all doing that kind of incestual thing and when I am there I just feel like ‘ooh! What’s that guy? He doesn’t seem to be part of our group.’ And I think you can make a lot of headway that way.

Natali Del Conte I have a funny story about that. When I first started at PC Magazine, John was like ‘Natali, let’s go to the Intel Dual Core press conference.’ And so the two of us went and he’s like ‘the food’s good here but don’t talk to anyone.’ And we sat there and they made a huge deal about Dual Core and how this was the future of computing and you just leave for Quad Core and Tera Computing, and you just hold on to your horses’ and John goes, ‘There’s going to be a flaw in this chip in two weeks, mark my word. Get some crab cakes and let’s go’. Remember?

John C. Dvorak Yeah pretty much. We were leaving and you were there, working, you were typing up your story.

Natali Del Conte Get your free lunch. I know I had that little Lenovo, the PC mag and I was like, ‘I got a file a story’, he’s like, ‘no you don’t, get your food and let’s get out of here, don’t talk to anyone.’

Carlos Rodela Hey Dvorak that brings me to a good segue way, she was just talking about computers. I just put a link in the IRC. You ever heard about the quantum computer story that I sent over?

John C. Dvorak I haven’t heard about it, but you know these quantum computer stories, they’re always cropping up.

Carlos Rodela I know well they just did a couple –

John C. Dvorak Give us the background and we’ll talk about it now.

Carlos Rodela Okay, there is a couple of new developments but essentially without getting into it too much they are coming up with how to store data in these things called Qbits which is basically like when you talk about quantum physics you talk about probability clouds. So, everything is kind of a probability when you get down to a small level, which again is a very long discussion but them coming up with these actual Qbits allows them to store data. And so now computers use data as ones and zeros and that’s how we see everything displayed. Well these Qbits can actually hold one and a zero at the same time which is ridiculous which means they can do computation at almost zero time like nanoseconds. They can do computation of a huge level creating potentially like unlimited energy black holes and crazy business like that but they are not that close yet but the fact is they got these Qbits to work and actually hold information as a one and a zero at the same time, and so it’s a big deal.

John C. Dvorak Okay, next story.

Carlos Rodela Next story, aw man! It’s really important to – it’s important to the face of the computers though I mean like if – how this story goes, goes computers.

John C. Dvorak Yes, maybe, although I’m actually more of the opinion that we’re going to go organic.

Carlos Rodela What?

John C. Dvorak That’s what I said.

Carlos Rodela Like a lettuce computer?

Becky Worley And I used to play Q-bert all the time.

John C. Dvorak Q-bert.

Natali Del Conte [Indiscernible]

John C. Dvorak Boing, boing, boing…

Carlos Rodela Wow, that’s called quantum physics computer…

John C. Dvorak John C. Dvorak ignores the future says some guy.

Becky Worley I feel the air just rushing from my ear.

Carlos Rodela That’s the last time I bring up quantum computers ever. I’ll go talk with quantum computers ….

Becky Worley John, I will – just blatantly rush into – tell me your economic –

John C. Dvorak Meat computing.

Becky Worley Tell me your economic theory for tech recovery, Q4.

John C. Dvorak Well, I think it’s possible that we’re going to probably see recovery in Q4. You can read my articles in MarketWatch. I’ve long since forgot the details.

Natali Del Conte I twitted it actually. I read...

John C. Dvorak Yes, you did. Thank you very much by the way. I got a lot of attention because people just think you are the best.

Natali Del Conte Well, thank you and ditto.

John C. Dvorak No, ditto to you.

Natali Del Conte And I thought that it was really interesting that two days later – what? No, you are the best.

John C. Dvorak No, you are the best.

Becky Worley John, you say something nice to women, within seconds you go “screw you!”

John C. Dvorak Screw you, Arrington!

Natali Del Conte But I believe Forester came out with estimates the same – exactly what you said just two days later that Q4 looks to be a turnaround for the tech sector.

John C. Dvorak So I got some email on that and thinking that well maybe, some guy argued that the budgets are done and you can’t do that kind of thing, things can’t change that rapidly. But most budgets – a lot of corporate budgets are really, they’re over in Q2, I mean they don’t end at the end of this year they ended other spots a lot of them end in the end of the second quarter of this year. And the third – I mean, everybody – their calendar years are all every which way. So, I didn’t buy that.

Becky Worley But is this you being contrarian because everything else is so doom and gloom?

John C. Dvorak No, it’s not it is because I have these theories about cycles and it seems to me for things to really work out and I also think that tech sector leads the rest of the economy. That it has to happen first and I’m convinced of that and it will be determined by looking at the semi-conductors.

Becky Worley Can you throw out stochastics in this too? Because I really get excited when you talk about that.

John C. Dvorak Ooh, stochastics. Once when – I remember when stochastics was the main way people were picking stocks.

Becky Worley That was you! It was like that conversation; “it’s going to be plastics!” you had this conversation with me, it’s going to be stochatics!

John C. Dvorak I never said stochastics…

Becky Worley You said.

John C. Dvorak I never used the word.

Becky Worley I can tell you the bar where you said it. Are you kidding me?

John C. Dvorak I think that you’re imagining me being there, your imaginary friend.

Carlos Rodela Hey Dvorak, back to the tech story.

Natali Del Conte I would like a regression analysis.

John C. Dvorak Yes, okay, back – okay, Carlos back to the tech story.

Carlos Rodela Back to a tech story. Here you go, there is one another one in our IC chat.

John C. Dvorak Yes, I see.

Carlos Rodela Just that what do you think about the 11.4% share to Firefox, Safari and Chrome from Internet Explorer losing?

John C. Dvorak Yeah, I know you’re jacked up the story. You think that Internet Explorer – it is losing a lot of market, and version, what is it, version 25 what is the one they’re at now? 11.10, or I don’t know what it is.

Becky Worley Are we at the [indiscernible] version yet?

John C. Dvorak 11.18 – IE8, I don’t know what it is. But anyway the – apparently is a piece of crap and it looks like – I use on the Macintosh when I’m using the Mac, I use Safari and it’s actually quite good and I use the Firefox most of the time now.

Carlos Rodela Yes, I’m using the Firefox 3.5.

John C. Dvorak And rarely use IE because it is always so susceptible to viruses and craziness.

Carlos Rodela Yes, I’m just wondering because like we always whenever we talk about browsers we always go, okay well just so you know, Internet Explorer is the leading one in the world and we have to program for it, but now it looks like maybe the tide is turning. I don’t know. Maybe it’s finally getting what it deserves.

John C. Dvorak Well, looking at the global stats thing that that was actually run in TechCrunch on today…

Carlos Rodela Yes.

John C. Dvorak …shows that IE is about ready to fall beneath Firefox 3.

Carlos Rodela Firefox, yes.

Becky Worley I thought Brian Cooley actually made a really interesting point. This is the first time in year he has been simultaneously using three browsers, and I think that’s much more common. People are kind of all over the map in terms of – it doesn’t seem like it has to be an exclusive thing for a much larger segment of the population.

John C. Dvorak Well, I use – I don’t use IE hardly ever except when something automatically opens it and I’m stuck. I mean I could obviously cut and paste and go to something else, but I figure why not. And I do use Safari for printing, though. I think Safari has got a better algorithm for printing web pages.

Becky Worley Do you guys use bookmarks?

Natali Del Conte No.

Becky Worley I’m like so not a bookmark user.

John C. Dvorak I use lots of bookmarks and I have so many of them that I can’t find anything.

Becky Worley That’s my point.

Carlos Rodela This is a great – yeah that’s a great point to bring up. I love bookmarks. I mean I have so much stuff that I work on tech and tech stories and stuff like that, but I still need something that’s awesome, some sort of you know, flash even like little sphere that has all my bookmarks on it so I can get to them quickly because yes I can’t find anything.

Becky Worley But don’t you just Google it then? I mean, isn’t it so much faster to Google or something?

John C. Dvorak Yes, but the problem is, is you have a bookmark you made from three years ago and some website that is now so buried in Google, you’ll never find it again.

Natali Del Conte That’s why you use – that’s why you tag it. I use delicious for that kind of thing, but then I think when Google announced Chrome, they said something like 75% of the websites we go to on the Internet are things that we’ve been to before and that’s why they have that little dashboard when you open a brand new page in the same way that Opera does and with that, what do I need bookmarks for?

Carlos Rodela Well I use Natali, and I’ve used it since Opera had it a long time ago, but it’s still not enough, I mean I have like – I have like folders full of stuff, whether it be for the game show I do or the tech show I do and it’s just – it’s impossible to navigate all of it. I don’t know what to do.

Natali Del Conte I think if you use an RSS Reader then you don’t need bookmarks and I don’t think most people use both. Do they?

Becky Worley Yes, I just can’t keep my bookmarks organized, so I don’t get it.

John C. Dvorak I’m not getting what you mean by that. I have a website I found that I just wanted to go back to once in a while because it does have some information or it’s a site that I can buy something from. What has RSS got to do with it?

Becky Worley [singing] What has RSS got to do with it…

Natali Del Conte I don’t bookmark, I mean, you can RSS things.

John C. Dvorak What has RSS got to do with it?

Natali Del Cont I think that’s my new ringtone, that’s a ringtone if I ever heard one.

John C. Dvorak I think bookmarks are valuable.

Natali Del Cont If I want to check back on a site that I use often, which I’ll admit is, I go there almost every day then I will RSS.

John C. Dvorak What site is this you go to everyday?

Natali Del Cont I’m being a total girl right now, Endless is Amazons shoe page, it’s fantastic.

John C. Dvorak Oh. Shoe pages. Fantastic.

Natali Del Conte Something like that I can RSS it. For news I can RSS it. There is nothing that I need to revisit every day and I actually need to see the page.

John C. Dvorak Yes, I know I’m not talking about using it for that purpose, yes then RSS will make sense. I’m talking about the – you see this page that you know I want to buy this Lamborghini and I know that I’ll be able to afford it someday and I know this dealers get the best prices there in Florida. Why wouldn’t they?

Becky Worley See, you’re obscurity man, you trade in obscurity. So you do need bookmarks.

John C. Dvorak So I would bookmark it saying five years from now I hope to go back to this page. And you know, I know I’m not going to be able to Google it because they’ll probably be under indictment by then, but whatever the case is I want to still have the page available to me, but I am not going to RSS it. That’s for sure.

Carlos Rodela Hey Natali, I gave you a YouTube video about shoes.

Becky Worley Wow!

Natali Del Conte Thank you. Oh, is it Becky –

Carlos Rodela It’s shoes.

John C. Dvorak So, you have a lot of shoes, Natali?

Natali Del Conte So and so lots of shoes. What’s your name? Becky loves shoes? Is it Becky?

Carlos Rodela No it’s just a funny comedian. It’s really awesome.

Natali Del Conte Chicks and shoes?

Becky Worley Kelly?

Natali Del Conte Kelly loves shoes! Kelly loves shoes.

Becky Worley My god; chicks and shoes.

John C. Dvorak Do you have a lot of shoes, Natali?

Natali Del Conte Yes, I do and that’s the one way in which I am a total girl.

John C. Dvorak Well how many pairs?

Carlos Rodela Yes, there we go.

Becky Worley Get some shoes.

Carlos Rodela Shoes oh! It’s one of my favorite things ever.

Natali Del Conte Mine too! This reminds me of my pod show days.

Becky Worley What is it with chicks and shoes. I don’t get it.

Carlos Rodela All right yes.

John C. Dvorak Do you wear –

Becky Worley What’s the dude equivalent?

John C. Dvorak There is none.

Carlos Rodela There is none.

John C. Dvorak Paul Mitz.

Carlos Rodela Video games, video games for me.

Becky Worley Maybe flat shoes?

Carlos Rodela Shut up Dvorak.

Becky Worley Can someone please explain this Pirate Bay story to me? What is the business model?

Natali Del Conte Yes, let’s talk about Pirate Bay.

Becky Worley What is the business model?

Natali Del Conte Napster. They are exactly like Napster. I don’t know why they didn’t learn their lesson. They are thinking that if you upload a song and then I download that song then you can get a portion of that and I suspect that the RIAA is going to have a problem with this, but I think at first I thought they were just buying the name Pirate Bay.

Becky Worley So, the back-story is Pirate Bay has been sold to a Stockholm software developer Internet gaming-type franchiser.

John C. Dvorak They brought the brand.

Becky Worley Right. Sixty – what is this number? 60 million krona, $7.8 million.

Natali Del Conte What?

Becky Worley Yes, I don’t know.

Carlos Rodela It’s going to be Napster all over again, I mean, Napster is not Napster, right? Napster was something that created a new way…

John C. Dvorak It’s a brand, it’s a brand name.

Carlos Rodela Yes, it is just a brand. So, what they ever – whatever they do with it, it’s not Pirate Bay. So, it doesn’t – it’s something else, it’s some sort of business. And I don’t have any real faith in it, yet from what I hear.

Becky Worley Okay.

Natali Del Conte It is so odd. It really is.

John C. Dvorak So we’re out of stories, is that what you are telling me?

Becky Worley Dvorak, bring it to the table. What have you got? Come on.

Carlos Rodela I got more.

Natali Del Conte No, I have stories. Do you want to talk about the overeating – overheating iPhone or…

Becky Worley Overeating iPhone?

John C. Dvorak The overeating iPhone, ladies and gentlemen.

Becky Worley It that when you go to a foreign country and your bill is like 60 grand?

Natali Del Conte I hate that.

Becky Worley Yes.

John C. Dvorak That was what happened to Adam Savage, of course.

Becky Worley Yeah, that was interesting guy.

Natali Del Conte Or what about the –

John C. Dvorak He walked away, I think $11,000 bill because he was just using his unlimited iPhone in Canada where it’s apparently not unlimited there, but who knew. And…

Becky Worley He twitted about it and then got AT&T to take the bill back due to his – you see; that’s what you need to do. You need to play the same card –

John C. Dvorak Play the card.

Becky Worley – that the MythBusters guy did to get AT&T to fold and hook you up with the cheaper iPhone.

John C. Dvorak So, the latest in terms of the Apple iPhone overheating, besides the fact that some guy got burnt, is now they are blaming it according to at least one story on global warming? Anybody get to catch this? It’s on the blog by the way if you want to look at it.

Becky Worley Well, they said in temperatures over 100 degrees or something –

Natali Del Conte Well apparently it will come out with – the screen will flash a little warning and say, ‘Hey you are somewhere that’s a little too hot, the iPhone can’t take this.” But I think we should remember that it has a processor that used to live inside a computer, so. I don’t know just; keep it away from your junk.

John C. Dvorak What?

Carlos Rodela Nice

Becky Worley The old high-tech vasectomy.

John C. Dvorak What kind of New York argot are you speaking? So –

Carlos Rodela Hey, Dvorak, I got a story too.

John C. Dvorak All right.

Carlos Rodela Close – near to our hearts, Ziff Davis, IRC it. EGM was a video game magazine, yeah I am a nerd and deal with it. And, so EGM went under just, you probably heard about that. And it was a Ziff Davis property. Well I guess they just gave the rights back to the original owner Steve Harris. So this is interesting because everybody loved that magazine, I read it since I was like 12 and a lot of people lost their jobs because of this magazine closing. But now, yes it is interesting that they are giving it back to the owner.

John C. Dvorak That sounds like a good deal.

Carlos Rodela Yes, I know I don’t know how he got it.

John C. Dvorak You sell it to somebody and then they give it back to you.

Carlos Rodela Yeah I know; “we don’t want it. Never mind.”

Becky Worley Wasn’t that the Skype plan?

John C. Dvorak They were going to buyback at discount. It’s similar.

Becky Worley I like that.

Carlos Rodela It just is interesting because a lot of people lost their jobs over this whole thing and now I’m wondering what they’re going to do now.

John C. Dvorak I don’t know how you – there is a story to be told there somewhere.

Carlos Rodela Yes, just saying.

John C. Dvorak So I wonder if people are going to start going back to it now or maybe they’re going to continue to go to it with the original guy running it.

Carlos Rodela Well, I mean, from a lot of people went off and did their own things like CO-OP which is an awesome show. So there’s not a lot of people left to hire, so I am going to talk to him.

John C. Dvorak You are going to talk to him?

Carlos Rodela Yes, I think so.

John C. Dvorak I thought you were happy doing what you are doing?

Carlos Rodela Oh no, I could do all of it at the same time.

Becky Worley gdgt, did you go check it out?

John C. Dvorak No,

Becky Worley Natali?

Natali Del Conte I did but it wasn’t open when I looked at it and I had to go back.

Becky Worley But yeah, they looked like they had a massive traffic spike and then they fell off a cliff, came back. Veronica Belmont doing their video, super cute, reviews look good. I mean, the one thing I noticed is that all the things they’re touting in terms of user interactivity, having sort of a library of your own gadgets and your wish list –

John C. Dvorak I don’t think –

Becky Worley – that’s Yahoo! Tech. It is the same thing just in a way cooler package. It was just really interesting to me see everything old is new again if it’s done with the cool kids.

Carlos Rodela Yes but Yahoo!...

John C. Dvorak Yes, this is basically – all it is personalities. I mean, it is just another iteration of Engadget, Gizmodo and now this.

Becky Worley Yes.

John C. Dvorak It’s the same and they are all competing with each other. So it is kind of interesting to see what happens.

Becky Worley Well there was this great Wired article about how those guys were basically breaking into the show floor at the LVCC at the Consumer Electronic Show are trying to scoop each other. And they are just, I mean, the frenzy about the information and being first, it’s weird, I mean, it’s...

John C. Dvorak What’s the – see this is the problem, I don’t like their names e-g, what is it again?

Becky Worley gdgt, gadget, with four letters no vowels, no vowels allowed.

Natali Del Conte Yeah, one of my producers, Randall Bennett left to do something just like this called obsessable and because he just didn’t have the star power it was almost exactly like this where you could compare gadgets and talk with people who had it and they also covered tech news. But he just didn’t have the star power behind it. And I also think this maybe looks a little bit nice and also the name obsessable is not great, it doesn’t roll off the tongue.

Becky Worley The site looks great, I mean, it was clean enough.

John C. Dvorak I’m looking at it now.

Becky Worley I mean what do you think?

John C. Dvorak I don’t know it’s another site. It almost looks like a blog.

Natali Del Conte It’s not a blog.

John C. Dvorak With backend software they’re using it probably is a blog. So where is Veronica? I don’t see her on here.

Becky Worley She is on the video portion.

John C. Dvorak I don’t even see how you link to that?

Becky Worley I had to dig, I don’t know.

John C. Dvorak You had to dig? Well that’s – she should be on the front, she – they should put her right on the very front, right at the very top.

Becky Worley She is great, yeah. We chicks in tech have to stick together, John.

John C. Dvorak Well you should be sticking together on the front page.

Natali Del Conte We should be front in center at all times.

John C. Dvorak Yes, seriously you should, I mean, just from the marketing perspective.

Becky Worley Yes, you know what Molly and Veronica and Natali, me, we are going to gang up. We are going to do our own.

John C. Dvorak There’s a bunch of people you left off of this list, by the way.

Becky Worley It’s going to have shoes, too!

Natali Del Conte Our own what?

Becky Worley Our own one of these and we’re going to have shoes.

John C. Dvorak Carlos, who are the – we have a Sumi Das that works for us.

Becky Worley Oh yeah, bring Sumi on. She’s cool.

John C. Dvorak She is very nice.

Natali Del Conte Wait, so what’s…?

John C. Dvorak So what other women are in tech that we…

Carlos Rodela Well we have Neha who I work with on a show called Rad On The Web, me and Neha.

Natali Del Conte There’s Caroline McCarthy...

Becky Worley Oh yes, she is great.

Natali Del Conte …and Maggie Reardon. I was talking to someone about this recently I was like, yes, you know, the girl version of tech, I pretty much have a 100% chance of getting asked to be on TWiT.

Becky Worley Right.

Natali Del Conte So there’s not that many of us, but there are some fun …

Becky Worley You know who’s one of my faves?

John C. Dvorak I think there’s about fifty.

Becky Worley What about Mary Jo Foley? She is a not a gadget girl –

Natali Del Conte Mary Jo Foley, yes.

Becky Worley But she is a star.

Natali Del Conte And she knows everything about Microsoft.

John C. Dvorak Yes, Mary Jo is good.

Becky Worley Yes, there is a bunch, there’s so many..

John C. Dvorak I think it’s about fifty high-end women that are all doing the stuff and they all by the way; guys out there you all know this is true.

Natali Del Conte Morgan Webb.

John C. Dvorak They all bitterly complain that they are not getting not enough attention.

Becky Worley That’s not true anymore.

Natali Del Conte What?

Becky Worley I think we gett an inordinate amount of attention. Maggie Reardon, love her on CNET.

John C. Dvorak Don’t know who – I don’t know her.

Becky Worley She is good; she does a lot of consumer stuff. Isn’t that my great week.

Carlos Rodela Shout out.

Becky Worley Oh yes? No, I have already given her her props, I mean I actually think we are getting an inordinate amount of attention.

Natali Del Conte Not to mention Amber.

Becky Worley Oh yeah. Sarah Palin. Oh, wait. Sorry.

Natali Del Conte Sarah Lane.

Becky Worley See that’s the thing. It’s like you can’t play the girl card to its pluses which is you get a lot of free passes as a chick. So you can’t…

Natali Del Conte Yes, but you got a lot of the short end of the stick, too.

Becky Worley I agree but I just think you have to walk that line like it’s a razor. And I’ll just say it like that.

John C. Dvorak You get a lot of flak.

Natali Del Conte Yes, you know –

Becky Worley You do get a lot of flak. You get way more flak than me.

John C. Dvorak Yes, I know but I don’t get flak for the same reasons. I get flak for being opinionated about the Macintosh more than anything.

Becky Worley But they don’t say that you’re vapid, they say you’re a dick.

John C. Dvorak Well there you go.

Becky Worley I tend to think you’re much more vapid.

Natali Del Conte Yes, if you take the Buzz Out Loud emails, and sometimes I set them aside and I just realize if I say something wrong, it’s usually in an email attributed to my gender, like she’s stupid and she only looks good when she looks at the camera and that’s why you chose her. But Tom can say the exact same thing or make an error that is comparable and never do they say it’s because he looks the way does or because or he is a dude or because he is a guy or because of his age. And it’s supremely unfair. Did I say d-word? I didn’t mean to.

John C. Dvorak I don’t know what you said I – all I...

Carlos Rodela What word?

John C. Dvorak All I know is that –

Becky Worley Join me in hell. Thank you.

John C. Dvorak I think it’s the only advantage us guys have.

Becky Worley True, true.

John C. Dvorak Give the women crap about being women.

Carlos Rodela What are we even talking about?

John C. Dvorak I don’t know you are probably still –

Carlos Rodela I’m lost now.

John C. Dvorak He still irked about the quantum computing story.

Carlos Rodela Hey, it’s an important story. And I’m going to [Indiscernible] with you on it. Hey by the way, me and Dvorak did a funny little outtake we’re Edmund Costello now. I’ll put the link in somewhere, I will show you.

Natali Del Conte Can not wait.

Carlos Rodela Yeah. Anyways.

John C. Dvorak So how we are doing for time? I think we are about to wrap. So you guys got any more – one more news story and then we are going to be out of here.

Natali Del Conte Okay what else do we have?

Becky Worley Going to my notes.

Natali Del Conte Do you want to talk about the biggest Wi-Fi network in Europe, is now in Venice?

John C. Dvorak Oh is it really? That’s such a very interesting idea if you think about it.

Natali Del Conte So, it is 10,000 kilometers of cable which is about 6,000 miles for those of us not familiar with the metric system. It blankets the entire city, it is free for residents but about $6 per day for tourists. And it gets between 20 and 100 Megs per second and it cost the city $15 million.

John C. Dvorak And it’s all Wi-Fi? There’s no WiMAX or any other –

Natali Del Conte All Wi-Fi. Yes, no, not WiMAX.

John C. Dvorak Interesting.

Natali Del Conte Not bad, $7 a day to be a tourist.

John C. Dvorak It sounds okay if you get that kind of speed.

Natali Del Conte Right.

Becky Worley By the way the chat room says John is only credible because he is sexy.

John C. Dvorak Oh, please.

Becky Worley Just want you to know.

John C. Dvorak Sure, maybe 30 years ago when I was a kid. All right is that it? Are we done?

Becky Worley I think we’re done.

John C. Dvorak Well I have to say it then. Another TWiT is in the can.

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