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This is TWiT, this WEEK in TECH, the show that covers all the tech news of the week gone by, well at least the stuff that I think is interesting or maybe that I just happen to notice in passing. Joining us today in studio very glad to have an old colleague, she is young but she’s been with us a long time. Former web producer for Call for Help, TechTV employee now…

Nicole Lee Intern.

Leo Laporte Intern, you’re an intern?

Nicole Lee I was an intern.

Leo Laporte You never got paid?

Nicole Lee I got paid, but not very much.

Leo Laporte 25 a day.

Nicole Lee Enough to pay for lunch.

Leo Laporte Your lunch and a bus fare.

Nicole Lee Yes.

Leo Laporte And now an actual employee at CNET. What’s your title at CNET?

Nicole Lee I’m an associate editor. I review cell phones and Bluetooth headsets and [indiscernible] (2:01).

Leo Laporte And she was just in the area and I said, Nicole you’re going on the show.

Nicole Lee I was surprised.

Leo Laporte Because we need – we need some female pulchritude to balance out John C. Dvorak and Dwight Silverman. Dwight Silverman of course from the Houston Chronicle and…

Dwight Silverman Hello there.

Leo Laporte A great friend of the show, and actually somebody who does some work unlike me, and found all the stories you’re going to hear today on the show.

Dwight Silverman I just drag and drop, that’s all I do, Leo. It’s drag and drop.

Leo Laporte blogs.chron.com/tech is that right?

Dwight Silverman Techblog.

Leo Laporte Techblog. And I – actually even when you’re not on the show, I’m – a shameful secret, I’m going to reveal here, I always go to your link blog because you basically linked all the best stories of the week so I just copy everything there.

Dwight Silverman I do it for you Leo.

Leo Laporte Thank you. I knew you did. Also here John C. Dvorak, couldn’t do the show without him at ChannelDvorak. Is that a contract you want me to sign, John, you’re holding up a dummy contract?

John C. Dvorak I’d have it made if you sign this.

Leo Laporte You’d own me, baby. Good to have all of you aboard. We’re going to talk about the week’s tech news starting with – I don’t know if you saw yesterday on Google, the flying saucer on the Google. I love those Google doodles that they do. But yesterday’s…

John C. Dvorak They are doing more – have you noticed, they’re doing more than before?

Leo Laporte They are.

Nicole Lee They are.

John C. Dvorak Yes.

Nicole Lee I saw the Michael Jackson one, when it was his birthday.

Leo Laporte They did his shoes.

Nicole Lee Yes, they did.

Leo Laporte It was doing like the moonwalk.

Nicole Lee Yes. Wasn’t that cool?

Leo Laporte But you know there’s some controversy because Google you know – chooses to honor some things but not other things…

Nicole Lee That’s true too.

Leo Laporte People say, well, why aren’t you – I don’t know, I can’t remember what they don’t honor but why – you honor Ramadan but not Martin Luther King’s birthday or whatever it is. But this one was just weird, it was a UFO and it was beaming up the O in Google – in the Google logo and then on the – I think it was a Google blog or it was a Google twit – that was a Google Twitter – twitter.com/google, they had a very cryptic numeric sequence which was obviously encoded if you – twitter.com/google and you go back a little ways you’ll see this, 1.12.12 25.15.21.18, I mean they’re giving it away – they are even giving you the word; the word, thanks. And then they have a link to a Twitpic, which might be a little bit of a hint – no it’s a Twitpic of the Google Doodle.

Dwight Silverman Of the logo, right.

Leo Laporte Of the logo.

Nicole Lee Of the logo.

Dwight Silverman And that’s just – that’s grade school cryptography that was – it was the letters of the alphabets so that wasn’t much of a challenge.

Nicole Lee Yes, it’s just number and letter substitution.

Dwight Silverman Yes.

Leo Laporte Did you figure it out Dwight?

Dwight Silverman No.

Leo Laporte Mister grade school crypto.

John C. Dvorak He said Microsoft sucks.

Leo Laporte Lotus ain’t done; Windows ain’t done till Lotus won’t run, is what he said. No.

John C. Dvorak You know.

Nicole Lee No, no.

Leo Laporte It said, “all your os are belong to us”.

Nicole Lee Which is in reference to the all your base are belong to us.

Leo Laporte Yes, exactly. And finally, after – it took a while because there was a lot of speculation, in fact if you click the link – because always those doodles have a link, it went to – it search to the – the Google search on unexplained phenomenon, it really didn’t – and of course the first item on the unexplained phenomenon was an article about the mysterious Google Doodle and what could it possibly mean, so it wasn’t very helpful.

John C. Dvorak Some kind of roundabout.

Leo Laporte It turns out, I don’t know why Google honored this, it is the 20th anniversary of that game.

Nicole Lee That game with the – all your base are belong to us.

Leo Laporte All your base are belong to us game.

Nicole Lee This is so strange.

Dwight Silverman At least…

John C. Dvorak I like it.

Nicole Lee It’s kind of nerdy in a way right.

Dwight Silverman I don’t know if it’s true.

John C. Dvorak They should do a daily thing.

Nicole Lee Yes.

Leo Laporte A daily mystery.

Nicole Lee A daily mystery, ooh!

Leo Laporte Yes. Go ahead Dwight.

Dwight Silverman I just – I don’t know if I – Google hadn’t confirmed this, the article that pulls the Zero Wing theory comes out of the Telegraph in U.K. and they don’t talk to anybody who says, yes that’s what it was.

Leo Laporte It has to be though. But it has to be.

Nicole Lee What else could it be?

Leo Laporte September 5, 1989, Zero Wing comes out. The Twitter – it has to be. But what I like is the playfulness here and it’s not tied to any big holiday, I mean come on who wants to commemorate the 20th anniversary of Zero Wing after all. I would like to see…

Dwight Silverman But I love all your base – if that’s what it is I’m glad they did it but until they say, I’m skeptical.

Leo Laporte It’s a very – so you don’t think it’s that?

Dwight Silverman Well it maybe that, but I want to see…

Nicole Lee I don’t think they should say it, they should leave us like – they should leave it a mystery.

Leo Laporte Never tell us.

Nicole Lee Never tell us.

Dwight Silverman Like the end of The Sopranos.

Nicole Lee Right.

Leo Laporte Yes, what did – what the hell was that all about? Yes.

John C. Dvorak They didn’t know themselves, they just finished it.

Leo Laporte So we’re done.

Nicole Lee We’re done.

Leo Laporte You figure it out, whatever you think. And now Matt Weiner who is a writer at [ph] nuzzles (6:55) last couple of seasons is writing that show Mad Men, which I love but pretty much every scene in Mad Men ends like the last scene in The Sopranos. Somebody wonders off…

John C. Dvorak In every episode.

Leo Laporte No, every scene. The show is the most cryptic show in history.

John C. Dvorak No, it has – [ph] cassowary (7:10) yes.

Leo Laporte It is cryptic. It’s like, huh. I think it must be a style that I just did.

John C. Dvorak I’m not seeing this season’s Mad Men as good as the past.

Leo Laporte Oh I like it; I’m a Mad Men fan.

John C. Dvorak I mean I like it because it like the imagery and the references but…

Leo Laporte The period is what I like, they do such detail.

Nicole Lee The style is also very…

Leo Laporte They’ve reproduced the periods with such detail.

John C. Dvorak Yes, but I think their story is going nowhere this year.

Leo Laporte That’s the style.

Dwight Silverman Well, it usually starts out slow. Mad Men starts out kind of – you’re always going where is this going and then by about mid-season it picks up. Last year, a lot of people had the same complaint.

Nicole Lee Yes, where did you first heart of Mad Men, Leo?

John C. Dvorak Well, hopefully.

Leo Laporte I don’t know why.

Nicole Lee I actually heard from Twitter…

Leo Laporte Well, everything.

Nicole Lee Like every one of all my friends were talking about it.

Leo Laporte Everything now, the first time you hear about – well maybe just you and me Nicole but…

Nicole Lee Oh I guess.

Leo Laporte The first thing I hear about anything is on Twitter. In fact if I want to know what’s going on in the world, I use to be – I would wake up to my clock radio set to KCBS, the news channel in San Francisco, and that’s how – I would, you know.

Nicole Lee I would…

Leo Laporte In fact 1010 WINS use to say that, remember in New York City they’d say, give us 20 minutes we’ll give you the world. Now I just got a Twitter and see what’s happening.

Nicole Lee I would never have heard of Mad Men otherwise because it’s on AMC which I’ve never watch.

Leo Laporte Right. Never watch.

Nicole Lee And so…

Leo Laporte Probably…

John C. Dvorak Because HBO didn’t pick it up.

Nicole Lee Yes, that’s what it was.

Leo Laporte Which was nuts; HBO made a big mistake.

Dwight Silverman Yes, they walked away from it.

Leo Laporte Yes.

Nicole Lee Yes.

John C. Dvorak Which is [indiscernible] (8:31) because they got nothing.

Leo Laporte They got True Blood, that’s good.

John C. Dvorak I don’t know.

Leo Laporte Don’t you like vamps?

John C. Dvorak One of these things every season and that’s [indiscernible] (8:37).

Nicole Lee Vampires, they are the hot thing.

Leo Laporte They’re so hot man. They’re so hot. You see – speaking of hot you see the viral video stealing 23 MacBook Pros, 14 iPhones, 9 iPods…

Nicole Lee Oh yes, I saw this.

Leo Laporte 31 seconds.

John C. Dvorak I think that was well planned.

Leo Laporte It was – it was…

Dwight Silverman Very well planned.

Nicole Lee Yes.

Leo Laporte I guess they must have known that there was a camera.

Nicole Lee They must have known about the cameras.

Leo Laporte Because they’re wearing hoods and everything.

Dwight Silverman I just think the bug me about it was they got no power adaptors, they took all devices, and I kept going get the adaptors, get the adaptors.

Leo Laporte If you’re watching carefully, you know – it’s funny the video that’s on YouTube is from Channel 6abc, they make two and a half minutes out of this 31-second video. But you see the guard walking around, typical Apple Store, guards walking around, it’s quite. Guys throw a brick through the window. It must have been planned, I mean they were good – oh man they make it a whole story out of this, this is ridiculous.

Nicole Lee Local news.

Leo Laporte Local news, exclusive Apple Store theft.

John C. Dvorak As if there’s any other robberies in the world.

Leo Laporte Look at this, well because they’ve got this great video, right.

Nicole Lee Right.

Dwight Silverman And the reporter gets more and more breathless and outrageous as it goes on, I mean by the end of it he’s yelling, this is what they did.

Nicole Lee The way he tells this is like a law and order heist or something.

[Video]

Dwight Silverman Exclusive. Ooh look at that. They are good. Get the adaptors, get the adaptors.

Dwight Silverman Get the adaptors.

John C. Dvorak They don’t realize that the adaptor cost more than the machines.

Leo Laporte Oh good job.

John C. Dvorak Whoa, brother.

Nicole Lee Cool.

Leo Laporte Look at his…

John C. Dvorak Hey what’s happened?

Leo Laporte He’s hiking up his pants. What were you doing dude? What were you doing?

John C. Dvorak So apparently the security guard was on his pee break.

Nicole Lee Oh no.

Leo Laporte They timed it really well.

John C. Dvorak Really they must have scoped out his [indiscernible] (10:57) consistent.

Leo Laporte Either that or he’s in on the deal.

Nicole Lee Either or that always goes on a pee like at the exact same time.

Leo Laporte Yes, he’s like you know – that was well done.

Nicole Lee Yes.

Leo Laporte And they were covered – they must have known there were cameras in there.

Nicole Lee Oh for sure.

John C. Dvorak I think it would have been better they’re wearing Nixon masks. That’s still my favorite outfit.

Leo Laporte That’s a good outfit.

Nicole Lee Yes, that’s a good one.

Leo Laporte When you’re going to steal something wear a Nixon mask.

John C. Dvorak So is there any news this week at all, seem kind of dull this week.

Leo Laporte We’ve done two whole stories. All right here’s another one. Microsoft Gates continue to sell Microsoft Word, that’s a big story.

John C. Dvorak Yes, I guess.

Leo Laporte John, you are just hard to please.

Dwight Silverman There’s tough audience.

Leo Laporte Yes. Well, I guess that’s news.

John C. Dvorak Gmail fail for two hours, that was a big breaking news.

Leo Laporte It was. I mean if you follow – if you follow what Nicole was saying that Twitter is your source of news then that was the biggest story of the year.

Nicole Lee It’s kind of annoying though after like an hour…

Leo Laporte I saw people saying, shut up already I know Gmail’s down.

Dwight Silverman Well, it was down...

John C. Dvorak It wasn’t as though was down for a month.

Leo Laporte Say again.

John C. Dvorak It wasn’t as though it down for a month.

Leo Laporte Let me do that again. Say again. Okay, Dwight you first.

Dwight Silverman All right. It was down only if you had the web version.

Leo Laporte Right.

Dwight Silverman If you were looking at…

Leo Laporte IMAP.

Nicole Lee Yes IMAP.

Dwight Silverman iPhone or on a client, an IMAP or POP it worked fine.

Leo Laporte Right.

Dwight Silverman It’s if you were trying to use the web version that it was down.

Leo Laporte Right.

Dwight Silverman But some people didn’t know, some just who said, oh my Gmail’s not down.

Nicole Lee Right.

Dwight Silverman Okay, John.

John C. Dvorak I can’t get the – I can’t get worked up about the story. I just thought they were going down for couple hours. I mean I’ve had my email go up and down occasionally.

Leo Laporte That’s the thing. It’s not abnormal for email servers to go down.

Nicole Lee I guess it’s only big news if you’re a company and you relied on it.

Leo Laporte But…

John C. Dvorak Companies have this all the time.

Nicole Lee Yes, I guess so.

Leo Laporte It’s kind of stupid if you’re a company and you…

Nicole Lee That’s true too.

Leo Laporte You’ve outsourced all – do companies do that? They say, oh we don’t need to use email, we just use Gmail. We don’t have to have a mail server, let’s just run Gmail.

Nicole Lee Was it only Gmail? Did Google Docs work fine? Did…

Leo Laporte Google Docs worked fine, everything else work fine.

Nicole Lee Okay, okay.

Leo Laporte Google, I thought, handled it pretty well. They have a status page and they were very quick to put on the status page, we know it’s down, we’re working on it, we should have it up in the couple hours and then…

Nicole Lee It does make me wonder how wide is Gmail use, like how many users do Gmail actually have.

Leo Laporte It’s the number, I think it’s 149 million users.

Nicole Lee Okay.

Leo Laporte It’s the number two or three after Yahoo!...

John C. Dvorak Three.

Leo Laporte Number three after Hotmail, Yahoo! Mail, Google.

Nicole Lee Three, see it’s not as big as Yahoo! or Hotmail, right?

John C. Dvorak Yahoo! is one.

Nicole Lee Yahoo! is one.

Leo Laporte And yet if Yahoo! went down for 100 minutes, would it be a bigger story.

Nicole Lee Nobody would talk about it. It would be like…

John C. Dvorak That’s a good point. I wonder if this even happened.

Leo Laporte Earlier this week, Yahoo! Mail went down for five days, no one noticed.

Dwight Silverman Because the geeks use Gmail.

Nicole Lee That’s a problem. That’s the…

Leo Laporte Oh that’s an interesting question. I wonder what the percentage of Gmail users on Twitter is compared to the rest of the world.

Nicole Lee Yes, that’s what I am thinking.

John C. Dvorak Yes, they probably more likely to be on Gmail than they’re on Yahoo!

Nicole Lee Yes.

Leo Laporte And Hotmail is right out.

John C. Dvorak Because it’s [indiscernible] (14:05) only.

Leo Laporte No geek – self respecting geek would be, you know, sexygeek123@hotmail.com, that’s just not a good title, that’s not.

Dwight Silverman Unless that you’re a spammy mail address…

Leo Laporte Right.

Nicole Lee Right.

Dwight Silverman Where dump all your spam.

Leo Laporte Did I mention that Microsoft Word can be sold again, did I mention that?

John C. Dvorak I got one. Here’s a story that’s kind of amusing.

Nicole Lee Okay.

John C. Dvorak Microsoft calling on thousands to host their own Windows 7 parties.

Nicole Lee What?

Leo Laporte This is so ridiculous. Go to houseparty.com. And apparently Microsoft isn’t the only company that uses – this is a service, houseparty.com, other groups like the Mexican Avocado Growers, and use houseparty.com to create – to – I don’t know why you would do this, maybe there is this whole subculture of people holding house parties for commercial product releases…

Nicole Lee Ford Taurus’ game day house party?

Leo Laporte Ford Taurus game day house party sponsored by Ford, so here it is Windows 7 launch party global sponsored by Microsoft, apply now and you go in here and you sign up and look at the prize, you could win a $750 computer.

John C. Dvorak It sucks. I’m going to – I want like a grand and I’ll throw a party and do what they should do, Microsoft if they had any brains which apparently they don’t anymore, they would say look, you throw a party and you get a list you know, 40 people or whatever and you should document the party and send us the invoice and we’ll send you a 30, 40 bucks a head.

Leo Laporte Well, they do send the host a copy of Windows.

John C. Dvorak Big deal. Invite a Costco, for a lesser money you know it’s cost you to throw a party.

Leo Laporte Well, I wonder, I mean what is the requirement. Do you have to have a certain number of people show up?

Nicole Lee Yes, can you have – invite like your mom and that be a party?

Leo Laporte Yes.

Nicole Lee I don’t know what’s a party.

Leo Laporte I’m having my mom over and we are going to have a party.

John C. Dvorak I’m going to have a party in my pants.

Leo Laporte Yes, exactly. You’ll be assisted by House Party, the world’s leading party organizer, pick a theme then upload photos and videos, chat with other hosts, blog your experience and download fun favors from your personal House Party page, no purchase necessary, is subject in all respects to complete official rules available at houseparty.com, it’s kind of a sweepstakes but it sounds like you don’t really have to do anything. You could just have a party – you could, you could have a party in your pants. It doesn’t say…

John C. Dvorak As long as you don’t send them the video.

Leo Laporte It doesn’t say that you have to, you know, how to add her, during the entry period go to the host section, drawing, they are going to have a drawing which means one person gets a $750 computer, oh no, 64 people are potential prize winners from all the eligible entrees.

John C. Dvorak But what is a $750 computer?

Nicole Lee Yes, tell us what it is? Don’t just say it is a PC that’s worth $750.

John C. Dvorak Is it a running Adam chip and UNIX?

Leo Laporte That’s probably a piece of crap, yes. Publicity, general conditions, it doesn’t say you actually have to have anybody show up at the party.

John C. Dvorak I had a party but nobody showed up.

Nicole Lee No.

Leo Laporte Okay, all host will receive one limited signature edition Windows 7 Ultimate, one deck of playing cards with the Windows 7 desktop design.

Nicole Lee Wow!

Leo Laporte One…

Nicole Lee Sign me up.

Leo Laporte One puzzle with Windows 7 desktop design. One poster with Windows 7 desktop design; 10 tote bags.

Nicole Lee A poster?

Leo Laporte You get 10 tote bags, also included in the USA party bags, one package of streamers for decoration, one package of balloons for decoration, one table top center piece – I’m having a party. I want to do this. We’ll have it right here. Oh, we’ll have it right here, the TWiT cottage, one package of Windows 7 napkins.

John C. Dvorak Oh yes, now you are convincing me.

Leo Laporte Oh, I’m joining. I’m doing this. We are going to have a party right here.

Nicole Lee Oh wow.

Dwight Silverman There is a coffee shop in Houston that’s kind of gotten a lot of notoriety for being kind of the Web 2.0 central coffee grounds, they’ve actually been written up in a few stories about businesses using Twitter, and the guy who runs it has a applied for – to do one of these and he wants to make a big deal out of it so, their businesses are actually seriously but yes, I want to do it just to get the napkins.

John C. Dvorak The napkins?

Leo Laporte Windows 7 napkins

John C. Dvorak I was thinking you got a dinner party…

Leo Laporte I’m signing up right now. I can use Facebook connected to it; that simplifies, I’ve read and agreed to the terms and conditions; I’m reading and agreeing to the terms and conditions and now I guess it’s probably going to spam my Facebook account right now.

John C. Dvorak Yes.

Dwight Silverman You can’t sign up with your Windows Live account.

Leo Laporte Isn’t that interesting?

Nicole Lee It should, right?

Dwight Silverman Yes.

Leo Laporte It doesn’t though.

Dwight Silverman Yes.

Leo Laporte All events from houseparty.com will be – houseparty.com will be able to create and modify Facebook events on your behalf without your approval each time. Sure why not.

John C. Dvorak Do you have to be a Facebook person to do this?

Leo Laporte No, it’s just, allow RSVPs; it’s just a quick and easy to do it. Let me see if – other ways to do it, Facebook…

John C. Dvorak I don’t like the Windows 7 party.

Leo Laporte This is it. I’m getting the Windows 7 party.

John C. Dvorak I’m getting one too because I need those napkins.

Leo Laporte I want streamers, I want balloons.

Dwight Silverman I just got to say that they have special themes they want you to do.

Leo Laporte Oh!

Dwight Silverman And you could choose from one of four; photo palooza; media mania; setting up with ease, that’s mine, and family friendly fun.

Nicole Lee I don’t understand.

Leo Laporte Oh, here is the party address, I’m going to put in my address here; cannot ship to a PO Box, okay, I’ll put in this studio address, oh, this is so exciting, when should we have – I guess we should do it on TWiT, we’ll do it a TWiT for that week.

Dwight Silverman Yes, you have to do it sometime between October 22nd and 29th, so it would have to be…

Leo Laporte Oh, yes, that would be great.

Dwight Silverman Sunday for that.

Leo Laporte Yes, that’ll be perfect.

Nicole Lee Oh, God!

Leo Laporte It’s a very special TWiT. All right, we are going to – I’m going to finish this, the sign up you too can, in a minute, we’ll be back before we do all of that, I want to pause briefly to mention my good friends at squarespace.com, the great place to set up your website, your blog, your photo site, your Windows House Party site, go to square – you know, that’s where I’m going to set up mine. I’m going to do it on squarespace.com.

Go to squarespace.com/twit right now, you can try it free, see how you like it, you are going to – I think you are going to be blown away by how easy it is to set up a site and how great the sites look; they have incredible templates to start with but then using Ajax simple drag and drop to - you know you could resize columns, you can move it around, great social media integration, there is an iPhone app, incredible statistics, you are just going to love it; import all your data from Movable Type, WordPress, TypePad or Blogger, and export it so you are not trapped; it’s not a [indiscernible] (21:11) no, 14 days free, no credit card necessary when you go to squarespace.com/twit, and I’m going to set up my Windows House Party site, so next week I’ll tell you where my Windows House Party site is on Squarespace.

Squarespace.com/twit; by the way if you decide to sign for Squarespace you get 10% off; this is great software, great hosting and is design to handle any amount of traffic, you can get dug, slash dotted, twitted, don’t matter, Squarespace can handle it; squarespace.com/twit.

And I’m going to – I’ll come up – I guess so I’ll call it Leo’shouseparty.squarespace.com or something like that. And I’ll have my house party on Squarespace.

Do you have a blog, a personal blog, Nicole?

Nicole Lee Yes, I do.

Leo Laporte What’s your personal blog?

Nicole Lee It’s not a Squarespace blog.

Leo Laporte What?

Dwight Silverman Where is it?

Nicole Lee Sorry. It’s neekole.com

Leo Laporte That’s now how you spell Nicole.

Nicole Lee No, I know. Someone else has…

Leo Laporte You couldn’t get Nicole.

Nicole Lee Someone else has that one.

Leo Laporte Oh, that’s cute site, I like that. What are you using?

Nicole Lee I just use WordPress.

Leo Laporte You should try - you should really try Squarespace.

Nicole Lee That’s the story. WordPress story.

John C. Dvorak Did you update?

Nicole Lee There is a – no I haven’t yet.

Leo Laporte Oh, don’t tell the world that. Don’t tell the world that.

Nicole Lee No, okay, I didn’t say that.

Leo Laporte We have all updated

Nicole Lee I didn’t say that.

Leo Laporte Yes.

Nicole Lee I didn’t say that.

Leo Laporte Man, don’t announce that.

Nicole Lee I’m sorry.

Lao Laporte Big deal, in fact Scoble was furious because, well, he hadn’t updated WordPress, he was a couple of versions back, there is a very big bug in WordPress that lets bad guys get in spam your account, create phony administrator account so they can come back later…

Nicole Lee Yes. It’s a big deal.

Leo Laporte Really, delete data, trash it, I mean, just, he days I don’t feel safe with WordPress, hackers broke in and took things; he says it feels to him like it did when he was a kid and his house got broken into, and I can – yes, I think that that’s probably his house.

I’ve had my – I’ve had sites hacked before. It does feel pretty awful.

Dwight Silverman We got Scoble, here is a guy who is a – he works for Rackspace, you know, which is a service that lets you host your website and presumably you can do a, wants you to do backups and he didn’t have a backup or any of his…

Leo Laporte Oops.

Dwight Silverman Any of his blogs, which he said he is going to do again but you think Rackspace would have backed him up.

Leo Laporte Well, I’m not going to throw stones because I’m on SoftLayer and I had EVault which is a backup technique and I had all the stuff, and it just - something had gone wrong, and hadn’t backed up so when a bad guy put a PHP script on my site, I created the hole by the way, foolishly allowed uploads to an open directory, bad mistake, so he uploaded a script which I later found and I have called, and I warn you Dwight, I have it, called C9.PHP.

That was a really interesting script. So if you upload it you could then execute it – it does a lot of very clever things, looks through My S-Q-L for passwords and stuff; so he got in and he deleted a forum site; he deleted a couple of things, he deleted a blog; we had cached, you know, Google cache is a stuff, so we had Google, we were able to get everything back. The forum we were not able to. I had to go back to my last back up which is a couple of weeks old.

But this is bad when this happens, it is really scary.

John C. Dvorak So where is this person?

Leo Laporte I don’t know; he sent me a note, he was from, I just can’t remember what country he was from. He didn’t know who I was, he just sent me a note saying, hey, I found a hole in your site and I’ve trashed everything just thought I’d let you know. It was nice of him. So I sent him a note back, so why did you do for? He said, well, you know, I just – because I could. He wasn’t like a bad person.

Nicole Lee Whoa.

John C. Dvorak No, he was just totally insane.

Nicole Lee He [indiscernible] (24:53) your site. He is not a bad person at all.

Leo Laporte He trashed it pretty good. It was just like somebody walking in your door, throwing the garbage around, you know, kicking over some chairs and leaving.

Nicole Lee And then calling you later and say, hey I did this to your house, you should probably take better care of it.

Leo Laporte Exactly.

Nicole Lee But what kind of person does that?

Leo Laporte Exactly. He said, it was like saying, hey you left the back window open so I crawled in and trashed your house just to give you a warning.

Nicole Lee Yes. That doesn’t…

Leo Laporte I learnt my lesson, but I have the script still which is very interesting. One of these days I kind of thought maybe I’d go through it and show people how hackers work – script kiddie, it’s not hacker obviously.

But 2.8.4, make sure your WordPress is updated. If you use wordpress.com, this is kind of interesting Matt Mullenweg who was a – I believed created WordPress…

Dwight Silverman Yes, he created it.

Leo Laporte I’m not – I do not own WordPress, it is an open source project, I’m not responsible for WordPress, my company automatic runs wordpress.com we never had the problem there; it’s kind of interesting; it’s almost; he almost disavowed; he said wordpress.org is an open source project, a lot of people work on it; wordpress.com is safe, so I thought that was kind of an interesting point of view to take on. And I always considered him the, you know the guy who created WordPress so.

Anyway if you haven’t updated, do update, and these things happen all the time although it seems like I get – I update, one of the reasons WordPress is at 2.8.4 is because they do frequent security updates.

Nicole Lee That’s true. At least they do that.

Leo Laporte Do you update – I mean do you – you know the new WordPress if you have upgraded 2.8, it’ll say there is a new version and it’s a very one button upgrade.

Nicole Lee It’s actually very easy to upgrade.

Leo Laporte It’s so easy to do.

Nicole Lee You just click one button and it’ll do it for you.

Leo Laporte Yes.

Nicole Lee So.

Leo Laporte You should be doing it.

Nicole Lee So, you should be doing it.

Leo Laporte Google has patented its home page.

Nicole Lee What?

Leo Laporte What!

John C. Dvorak What!

Leo Laporte What!

John C. Dvorak What.

Leo Laporte Google’s home page…

John C. Dvorak Because it’s so patentable.

Leo Laporte Apparently, well, somebody thinks it is, and filed a patent application in March 2004, it was approved on September 1st; it’s - the patent is for the simplicity of the home page.

John C. Dvorak Well, then let’s go back into the late ‘90s and take a look at the Yahoo! Page.

Leo Laporte Which was pretty simple.

John C. Dvorak As prior art.

Leo Laporte Graphical user U.S. – United States patent 599372; graphical user interface for display screen of a communications terminal; I love the archaic language they use in this stuff. Claim – the ornamental design for a graphical user interface for a display screen of a commercial terminal as shown and described. Approved.

Now, I got to say you are right. I mean, seems like there’ll be prior art to a simple white page.

Nicole Lee Yes.

Leo Laporte It looks like the page ion my novel. I wonder if this has to do with Bing. You think that this…

John C. Dvorak Well, you know, but Microsoft’s MSN, Live Search was very simple too, so Bing is actually complicated by comparison because it has the big photo, maybe Microsoft can patent the photo.

Leo Laporte I kind of – no, I have to say I kind of like that photo and then – and you hover the mouse over different parts of it and there little searches and, I kind of like that. It’s their response to the Google Doodle I think. It’s something, you know, so you go that page otherwise you would have no reason to go that page, just use the search bar.

Dwight Silverman And it changes daily, right, on Bing?

Leo Laporte Yes. There’s got to be – I think there is going to be a little, maybe a war to get people to go to the page as opposed to just use the search bar because nowadays nobody ever uses the search bar.

Nicole Lee Right, the little, search field…

Leo Laporte Right.

Nicole Lee At the upper right of the…

Leo Laporte Right. So today, I don’t know what that is, it’s a very close up – looks like an electron microscope photo, but then if you move stuff around, oh, behold, one of the most pervasive life forms on earth, can you guess what it is? Just makes it kind of fun. You want to go there, right.

Dwight Silverman Leo, you said you don’t think people use the little search bar on the browser?

Leo Laporte No, I think they do is what I’m saying instead of going to the web page.

Nicole Lee They do as opposed to – yes.

Leo Laporte You can now go back and see homepage images and hot spots from the past week with our new homepage archive, however, you need to need to install Microsoft Silverlight to see. Then that’s [ph] ton of a (29:19) gratuitous requirement. Well, if you install Silverlight, maybe we’ll let you see our previous homepage.

Nicole Lee Do people still use their “I’m Feeling Lucky” button? This seems so…

Leo Laporte No.

John C. Dvorak Is it still on there?

Nicole Lee Yes, it’s still on there.

Leo Laporte Yes. Because nobody goes to the Google front page anymore, right?

Nicole Lee Yes. Dwight Silverman Right.

Nicole Lee This seems…

Dwight Silverman I use Google toolbar and I’ve started using Safari a lot more and I found that there is no Google toolbar for Safari, but the thing I like in Google toolbar is there is a button for searching just the site you are on at the time which is really useful and I would love to have that button in the little search area on say, Firefox or Safari, that’s one of the most useful buttons I’ve …

Leo Laporte You know, I just use site: and the site name but that’s a lot of extra typing, that’s all it’s doing as such.

Dwight Silverman Right, right, it does that for you. I’m lazy.

Nicole Lee I actually use Google Quick Search the little what do you call that, a utility like you can install the little application, it’s kind of like Quicksilver for the Mac.

Leo Laporte It was written by Alcor.

Nicole Lee Oh, yeah.

Leo Laporte He was the guy who wrote Quicksilver, he now works at Google, and he wrote…

Nicole Lee So I use Quick Search [indiscernible] (30:25).

Leo Laporte You like it?

Nicole Lee I quite like it.

Leo Laporte It’s basically like Quicksilver, although not quite as feature rich, yet I have a feeling that’s Alcor no longer develops new features on Quicksilver. I think he’s put all of his energies into that. Good. Now I’ve installed while we’ve been talking. I have installed Silverlight. Why not you? Now I can see…

John C. Dvorak Now she will never run fast again.

Leo Laporte I know. How many – anybody upgrade to Snow Leopard in the group here?

Dwight Silverman Yeah.

Leo Laporte You have. Dwight, now, did you – did you upgrade your Flash?

Dwight Silverman Yes, yes, I did it the other day, yeah, after I saw that story that there is a – they shipped it with an old version that had a [indiscernible] (31:06).

Nicole Lee They had downgraded the Flash.

Dwight Silverman Yeah

Leo Laporte But that’s the big – I mean it’s not unusual in Apple’s defense. They went Gold just like a week or two after Flash was updated. So I understand why they wouldn’t want to include the new version in the Gold Master because they hadn’t had time to taste it.

But it’s kind of unheard of to downgrade somebody’s stuff to a less secure version, and I tell you.

Nicole Lee Yeah, that’s really bad.

Leo Laporte So anybody who is using Snow Leopard after…

Nicole Lee Was there a reason, like is that – was there like a…

Leo Laporte Well that – because they – because the exploit was discovered and patched just two weeks before they went to Gold Master.

Nicole Lee Oh

Leo Laporte So in Apple – again in Apple’s defense I can see why they might not include it. But it is a little bit bad behavior to downgrade somebody.

Dwight Silverman Well, you know in Snow Leopard, the web browser Safari runs in the 64 – it’s a 64-bit application

Nicole Lee Yeah, that’s true.

Dwight Silverman And so if they’re replacing the 32-bit in Leopard when you do the upgrade, they might strip out all the plug-ins. But here is something interesting; there is no 64-bit version of Flash, right? And so how are they running a 32-bit version of Flash inside a 64-bit operating system and a 64-bit application?

Leo Laporte Microsoft has that exact problem with Windows.

Dwight Silverman Right.

Leo Laporte If you run 64-bit Windows, you cannot run 64-bit, i.e., if you want Flash.

Dwight Silverman Right. And you can’t install the 32-bit plug-in for Flash.

Leo Laporte Right. So you have to – I get this call all the time because it really confuses end-users who – they shouldn’t have to know 32 from 64. But nowadays everybody is selling 64-bit Windows, that's kind of the default pre-installed, and they try to run it in Internet Explorer and Flash won’t install, and they go – I don’t get-what- huh?. What's going on here? So this may be – I don’t know if this is related. I think Apple has figured out a way to run a 32-bit plug-in within a 64-bit browser.

Dwight Silverman Well they are running a 32-bit colonel in a lot of – on a most of these machines at defaults …

Leo Laporte That’s the default.

Dwight Silverman Right.

Leo Laporte Yeah. What is your – we talked about this last week, and I’ve kind of beaten this dead horse, I’m not going to beat it anymore. But just to add, we haven’t – I haven’t talked to you about this Dwight. What's your…

Dwight Silverman One more whack at the horse.

Leo Laporte No, it’s a leopard, not a horse.

Nicole Lee Snow leopard.

Leo Laporte I was a little perturbed by the general media and all the Mac media, but even some of the general media like David Pogue and Walt Mossberg – David Pogue said this is a must have upgrade everybody ought to run out and do it. But I thought – and even said anybody who says this is a service-pack is a hater. And I thought, David, you know, I don’t think this is something everybody should run out and upgrade to. And this is just one more reason why it was bad idea to run out and upgrade.

John C. Dvorak Was he doing a vocal imitation of George Bush?

Leo Laporte Got to run out, got to install it, must install it.

John C. Dvorak That’s the other George Bush.

Leo Laporte Oh, I don’t do George W. Bush. [ph] see guys here the dub (34:00). Do you do a George W. bush?

John C. Dvorak No.

Leo Laporte You might Dwight, you are from the same area, the same neck of the woods?

Dwight Silverman I’m not going to touch that.

John C. Dvorak Mine would be a version of [ph] Jon Stewarts (34:17).

Leo Laporte Oh, he did – [ph] Jon Stewart (34:15) does a fantastic George W.

John C. Dvorak But it just seems like you are either for us or against us kind of thing with a comment like that.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

John C. Dvorak Just, I found it very disturbing.

Leo Laporte And I don’t think it’s – now, this brings us to a story because the New York Times Ombudsmen - they have an [ph] ethicist site (34:35) is this typical papers, does the Chronicle have something like this strike?

John C. Dvorak I don’t think so, but some papers have had to do it because they are so influential.

Leo Laporte So the Houston Chronicle doesn’t?

Dwight Silverman We have a – we had for a while a reader rep, we are now kind of farming out questions to individual editors whose area it falls in…

Leo Laporte And then you – and then you would publish a story or…

Dwight Silverman Publish [indiscernible] (35:00).

Leo Laporte Yeah, so you would publish. If you felt there were a conflict you would publish a story explaining…

Dwight Silverman He had a blog and we would deal with it often in that blog.

Leo Laporte See because the New York Times calls it their public editor. I don’t – does this appear in the print edition or is it only online?

John C. Dvorak I think it’s in the printed issue.

Dwight Silverman Yeah, it is.

Leo Laporte So the story is Clark Hoyt, the public editor, the story is he works for the Times too. And apparently there were some complaints that David Pogue who was writing and reviewing Snow Leopard in a glowing fashion by the way happens to also write manuals and has Missing Manual for Snow Leopard coming out soon. And that seems to be a pretty apparent conflict of interest because…

John C. Dvorak Id’ say.

Leo Laporte Certainly he has some interest in Snow Leopard being a success…

John C. Dvorak I don’t have a – you know I don’t have a problem with the conflict of interest thing to a point with the guy who writes books about a topic and he’s really in love with the product, except for the fact that the New York Times, in particular, I mean Pogue, if he was writing for a computer magazine, I - would be so what but New York Times is so incredibly snooty about having these all these ethical check lists that the fact that Pogue gets away with this is amazing to me.

Leo Laporte He writes, but it creates a tricky ethical terrain no Times journalist is in quite the same position as Pogue, reviewing products and simultaneously writing guides to them. He said he makes more money from the books than from the Times as if that justs…Oh that’s okay then, well alright….

John C. Dvorak Oh, yeah, okay fine.

Leo Laporte Okay, then keep doing that.

Pogue and his editors say they talk…

John C. Dvorak I make more money as a hooker.

Nicole Lee Oh, no.

Leo Laporte I make more money selling cocaine but that doesn’t stop me from doing this show every darn Sunday.

John C. Dvorak Jeez.

Leo Laporte But Nicole if you want me to hook you up just on the way out, just let me know.

Nicole Lee Ok

Leo Laport Pogue and his editors say they talk frequently about how to deal with this varied interests. And the editors praised him as a straight shooter. And that's true. He points out that we was – he says “savaged” Apple’s iMovie ‘08 in his Times blog even as he was writing a Missing Manual for it. Ultimately they decided this is not an issue but they have said in future they probably should say something about it in the article and they also say it’s good the Times addressed the issue now. Windows 7 is being released within a month, Pogue is planning to review it, the Missing Manual is already for sale.

Dwight Silverman Yeah he also – he actually started the Missing Manual series.

Leo Laporte Right.

Dwight Silverman It’s grown into quite an empire. And he also does the – he does Windows 7. I’ve got copies of his stuff here. He does OS X, whenever there is a new one of those, he did Leopard, he’s done a switching to the Mac.

Nicole Lee Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t a lot of tech-journalists do books on the side?

Leo Laporte I think you do Dwight, don’t you?

Dwight Silverman I do. I’ve written two tech books, I’ve done one, a book with Windows – with Larry Magid on Windows Vista and I’ve written one about running Windows on the Mac that deals with virtualization and boot camp – both of those [indiscernible] (38:22).

Nicole Lee So is the issue here because Pogue is also a reviewer, like he reviews the product and he sells a book about that same product?

Dwight Silverman Well, see I’m a reviewer too…

Nicole Lee Yeah, so…

Dwight Silverman I review them and I also write these books.

Nicole Lee Right. So, is there a solution?

Dwight Silverman But the way we’ve dealt with it – the way we’ve dealt with it at the Chronicle and the way that they are dealing with it in this case is their disclosing openly that he writes these books.

Nicole Lee Right.

Dwight Silverman I think if you read his stuff, he’s pretty much an Apple fan boy but he is a straight shooter, he’ll lay it out if he doesn’t like them. I do the same thing. You can’t read any of my reviews and say that I’m licking anybody’s boots. And in fact even in the books that I’ve written, I will say when I think that something is not a very good – isn’t executed very well.

Nicole Lee Right.

Dwight Silverman So I think so long as you are open about it and you are not, you are being straight about it, let the readers make up their own mind. When we – when we did the columns, when I wrote – whenever I’d write a column about Vista, whenever I would write about virtualization, we would put a disclosure at the bottom that I had written this book. What was funny was that some people thought, oh he is pimping his book at the bottom of his column.

Leo Laporte It does look like that. It’s not a disclaimer, it’s an ad.

Dwight Silverman Right. I haven’t made any money off those books but…

John C. Dvorak Yeah, you should put ‘available at’.

Dwight Silverman Yeah, in the remainder bin….

Leo Laporte Disclaimer. But it is – this is something that’s going to come up more and more nowadays because they are – these lines are absolutely blurring.

John C. Dvorak You know it’s over. Everything is corrupt now, so I wouldn’t worry about it.

Leo Laporte And I don’t think this is – well, it’s funny because in past days saying “oh, but, no read my reviews, I’ve been critical” wasn’t a defense right? I mean that’s new that that's a defense that well you could read my reviews, you can see I’m independent. I mean I use the same defense. But I don’t – but I, you know, I don’ know, it’s…

John C. Dvorak Here is what it is. The guy is – I mean Pogue is probably right, he makes more money on his books, he probably makes a fortune on his books. Of course he uses the New York Times to leverage book sales so that can’t be a minor issue.

Nicole Lee Right.

John C. Dvorak And the fact that he does that, I think the Times has a complaint that is valid. I mean I don’t think at the same time that they would rather pay Pogue less money but then they pay a regular or full time reporter and get his content for a discount and let him go make money on the side on his own dime.

Leo Laporte That’s how new media does it.

John C. Dvorak And I think – yeah, I think exactly that’s what's happening right now.

Leo Laporte That’s how I do it.

John C. Dvorak Because these cheap bastards that run these newspapers don’t pay people enough money not to have to do books.

Dwight Silverman Right.

Leo Laporte Yeah, yeah.

Nicole Lee Yeah.

Leo Laporte David is a good friend, I’ve known him for years, I know he’s ethical.

John C. Dvorak So here is a deal. So – since we have Dwight here and he’s just told us about his two books [ph] sold (41:16), I’ve got this thing here in front of me.

Leo Laporte It’s a contract.

John C. Dvorak It’s a dummy contract. So I have to ask Dwight – do you sign the dummy contract?

Dwight Silverman [Indiscernible] (41:24).

John C. Dvorak That’s enough, never mind.

Leo Laporte What is a dummy contract, may be we should define terms, what is that?

Nicole Lee Yeah, what is it?

John C. Dvorak The dummy contract is what – it’s the contract that, this is in a music business, the book business to any business that where they publish you. It’s is a contract that they’d thrown in front of you, it’s the first contract, say we want to do your book – we want – here is the contract, they give you a dummy contract which a contract for idiots who’ve never done a book or anything before and they usually sign it. And dummy contract of course is called a dummy contract because only a dummy signs it. Anybody with an experience who has a lawyer working with them will say, no we can’t sign this and they have all this different changes, and of course when you do the big shocker, the big surprise you discover when you are working with publishers or anybody who throws a dummy contract out at you, is a first thing they do is they don’t even flinch when you say no we can’t do this, we can’t do that, we can’t do this, this is different, this should be this, this should be that, they go oh okay, yeah okay, okay, okay. And they just – and make all the changes almost like without argument unless you do something really crazy. But generally speaking there is – they know what the leeway is and you get – you get the deal you should get.

Leo Laporte It’s almost like “oh you caught us, yeah, okay, we’ll give you that”.

Dwight Silverman Yeah. I’ve never signed a dummy contract, my agent makes sure I don’t.

Leo Laporte See he has an agent.

John C. Dvorak No, that's not necessary, I don’t want to ask who your agent is, but there is at least one agent I know of who is really popular with the publishers because he has his writers sign the dummy contract.

Dwight Silverman This is a she, so no.

Leo Laporte I’ll tell you I never had an agent…

John C. Dvorak [ph] It’s probably not a him (42:58).

Leo Laporte I had – I signed every dummy contract they put in front of me, as a result made absolutely – I made money on the first book and made no money on the rest of the books. And I’m proud of that. I’m proud of that. And so you can never…

John C. Dvorak Well one of the problems that you probably ran into Leo which is one of their classic tricks which I think every new author gets suckered into, is called cross-collateralization which you got to get out of the contract almost immediately. And cross-collateralization is where they give you – they give you a big advance on the first book and they say we are going to do a three-book deal.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

John C. Dvorak And then they say, you know, here is your money for the first book, and then we’ll give you some for the second and third book, but they’ve got this cross-collateralization thing and then so in other words if your first book doesn’t pay out, which it won’t, they take the royalties from your second book and attribute it to the first contract…

Leo Laporte Oh boy.

John C. Dvorak And put you in the hole and by – and then they take the third book, and it goes in there until you make up all this money that was squandered on the first book. And you just write basically three books and you get whatever you got for the first book, and that’s it. And the whole thing is just a scam.

Leo Laporte I got an idea John. You should write a book called “Dummy Contracts for Dummies”.

John C. Dvorak I wander if he’s sign a dummy contract to get that book published. So anyway…

Leo Laporte Hey, I want – okay, go ahead.


John C. Dvorak There is good stuff in this dummy contract. I mean this one is one of this – it’s very [ph] owneress (44:24). For example Untied States book sales 10% of – there were terms there - if you ever get and Dwight knows is when you get to your publisher statement they send you a – this computer printout that nobody can decipher.

Dwight Silverman I have no idea what it says, yeah.

John C. Dvorak United States book sales 10% which is low of actual net, which is ridiculous, receipts by publisher, except for special sales as specified below, which is actually giving you less money than this. So in other words they’re giving you – they are not even giving you 10% of the covered price or 10% of wholesale, they are giving you 10% of net.

Leo Laporte Oh, that’s terrible.

John C. Dvorak Which is net – actual net which is god knows what that even means.

Leo Laporte Right.

John C. Dvorak Which means you get nothing. You probably get – for a 10 buck book, you probably get like a nickel. But this is a classic. This dummy contract’s one of the best in terms of for dummies.

Leo Laporte He saved it all these years.

John C. Dvorak Well, I’ve got a bunch of this, but this was actually quite good. I may reproduce it

Leo Laporte This is from – do you want to say who it’s from?

John C. Dvorak It’s [ph] Sidebecks (45:27).

Leo Laporte [ph] Sidebecks (45:28)

John C. Dvorak [ph] Sidebecks (45:29) doesn’t, they’re – but this is like any other dummy contract. If you would want to deal with [ph] Sidebecks (45:33), you wouldn’t sign this contract, but they take it to an extreme. I mean if you’re going to put together a dummy contract, let’s just make us see how dumb you are.

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Dwight Silverman He took you at your word.

Leo Laporte There’s the empty chair. Look at that. Oh, here he comes, he is coming back. What is that behind his chair there? Now if you aren’t listening this, you are missing a pretty unusual thing which is – we still video of this show. You can watch it at live.twit.tv every Sunday at 6 p.m. Eastern, 3 p.m. Pacific which, if I am correct, is 20, I think 2,200 UTC live.twit.tv. And so we get these guys to get their, oh we’ve got a glass of wine, look at that.

John C. Dvorak Oh, Happy Armistice Day.

Leo Laporte Happy Armistice Day. Is it Armistice Day? Oh, would you look at that. What’s that behind you? Is that a shop vac behind you?

John C. Dvorak A shop vac?

Leo Laporte Yes, what’s that behind you? It looks like a shop vac.

John C. Dvorak Let me see, hold on, let me look at your picture.

Leo Laporte He doesn’t know. You can’t really see. Now you are blocking it with…

Dwight Silverman It’s kind of the orange thing down under your left shoulder

Leo Laporte What is that?

John C. Dvorak Oh, that down there?

Leo Laporte Yeah, that down there, that thing down there.

John C. Dvorak It’s just a light-reflecting off something…

Leo Laporte It’s just the specular highlights. So your shirt says what? Gee?

Nicole Lee Geek.

John C. Dvorak Geek.

Nicole Lee It’s in a – it’s a red background.

Leo Laporte But wait a minute. Now there’s something about that – the background.

Dwight Silverman That shape.

Leo Laporte That shape. It looks like a flow chart or sort of diagram.

John C. Dvorak It says geek. It’s from – it’s an Intel shirt.

Leo Laporte I like that. Have you seen – I love those Intel ads where they highlight like the inventor of USB….

Nicole Lee Yeah.

Leo Laporte And it’s like a rock star.

Nicole Lee And they cheer him on

Leo Laporte I love those ads. Makes me proud to be a geek.

John C. Dvorak Personally I thought that ad was kind of creepy.

Leo Laporte Really? They haven’t done any others. They did the one I think.

Nicole Lee That’s all I can remember.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

John C. Dvorak That guy looked a little too much like Vivek Kundra.

Leo Laporte You still got that thing for Vivek, huh? Let me see if I can find it…

John C. Dvorak I love the guy.

Leo Laporte Something like our rock stars aren’t anything like your rock stars or something like that, and all the women are like going crazy over him.

John C. Dvorak Here we go.

Leo Laporte I love the music too. He does look like Vivek Kundra. Here he comes. Oh, oh, the women are going wild. Ajay Bhatt, co-inventor of USB.

John C. Dvorak The thing is you don’t – what you don’t really get to see is – the bottom of his pants are off.

[Advertise] Our rock stars aren’t like your rock stars. We are Intel.

Leo Laporte But do you know what I really like, and actually I watch this ad every time is that chorus going bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. I love that part because they’re – watch, they are looking at each other, they’re just kind of talking.

[Advertise] We are Intel.

And then all of a sudden they just start singing.

[Advertise] Sponsors of tomorrow.

Don’t you think?

John C. Dvorak Yeah, that’s the way it is over at Intel. When you go to the Santa Clara offices, that’s exactly what it’s like.

Leo Laporte They’re just launching this.

John C. Dvorak Bum, bum.

Leo Laporte Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum.

Dwight Silverman They don’t air that in Texas. They don’t air...

Leo Laporte You have never seen that ad?

Nicole Lee Oh, they don’t

Dwight Silverman No, we [indiscernible] (51:09) commercials are really boring.

Leo Laporte Oh, yeah, that’s right. Texas is a [indiscernible] (51:16). That’s right. And Dell.

John C. Dvorak [Indiscernible] (51:21) little Dell [indiscernible] (51:22).

Leo Laporte [Indiscernible] (51:25) Dell. So actually that raised an issue. What was I going to– I can’t remember now.

John C. Dvorak What?

Leo Laporte You said something that made me think of something. Now I can’t remember…

John C. Dvorak It was a, it was a…

Leo Laporte Another story. Well, I can talk about…

Dwight Silverman I think I might raise a story, Leo?

Leo Laporte Yeah, you got a story for us?

Dwight Silverman Yeah, the Apple finally – rather AT&T finally saying that we’re going to do MMS on the iPhone.

Leo Laporte Is that big news like somebody wrote…

Dwight Silverman It’s big news. It’s big news for iPhone owners, for every other like for owners of the Razor.

Leo Laporte What?

Dwight Silverman It’s not a big deal.

Leo Laporte Somebody wrote welcome to 2006. It’s like a big deal. Well, you cover cell phones at CNET. I mean how important is it? I don’t even understand what is that that I can’t do because I don’t have MMS?

Nicole Lee Well, a lot of phones don’t get email and that’s one of the primary ways to send pictures and video. You send it to your mom’s cell phone who doesn’t have email in her phone. And you can send her messages, multimedia messages of your grand kids or whatever and then it’s really easy. Send it to a phone number instead of an email address essentially.

Leo Laporte Right. So if somebody sends me an MMS on my iPhone now, will I not get it?

Nicole Lee No, you will get a link to a webpage where the...

Leo Laporte Oh, I have seen that. I hate that. It’s a pain in the butt.

Nicole Lee It’s a big pain.

Leo Laporte So now I will just so – and vice versa, if somebody – if mom has a Razor, actually my wife has some – non-smartphone.

Nicole Lee Right, and if they send you an MMS and then…

Leo Laporte She has never taken a picture on that phone, not once.

John C. Dvorak And by the way, Leo, it’s now called a feature phone.

Leo Laporte Oh, oh.

Nicole Lee A feature phone.

Leo Laporte A dumb phone is a feature phone?

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Nicole Lee No, if it’s – it’s in between a smartphone and a…

John C. Dvorak It’s nowhere between. They are calling everything a feature phone except the phones that don’t actually exist...

Leo Laporte So if the phone…

John C. Dvorak What’s interesting is a phone that's just a phone anymore. They all have little features.

Nicole Lee Sure.

Leo Laporte But it’s features are short of being smart.

Nicole Lee Right.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, it’s just like plays a couple of games, it has a camera.

Nicole Lee The MP3 or – I don’t know, the Samsung Instinct or something.

Leo Laporte The Instinct’s a smartphone, isn’t it? Wouldn’t you call it a smartphone? I don’t like it.

Dwight Silverman The LG Dare.

Nicole Lee LG Dare, yeah.

Leo Laporte Dare. There’s a good example.

Nicole Lee It’s not a smartphone. It doesn’t run like very good email I think.

Leo Laporte So it has to have a – what does it have to have to make it smart?

Nicole Lee I think it has to have third party operating system like Windows Mobile or the OS, iPhone OS.

Dwight Silverman Symbian.

Nicole Lee Symbian. Right. One of those advanced operating systems like BlackBerry.

Leo Laporte Yeah, [ph] oops that is gone (54:00) again.

Dwight Silverman The interesting thing about this though is that AT&T delayed it, they promised it at the end of summer and they are doing it, actually the date falls in early fall.

Nicole Lee The September 25th is technically fall.

Leo Laporte Well, that’s only three days late. Summer ends September 22nd. That’s close.

Nicole Lee That’s a little bit.

Dwight Silverman No cigar, it’s not horse shoes.

Leo Laporte They – I’m going to defend AT&T. Wait a minute.

Nicole Lee What?

Leo Laporte This is something you never heard from my lips before.

Dwight Silverman Oh, let’s record this.

Leo Laporte I want to defend AT&T.

Nicole Lee This is astonishing.

Leo Laporte I thought their explanation was pretty good. In fact – and I put a link to it in our list – there’s something to be said for the fact that poor – oh boy, I never thought I’d say poor AT&T.

John C. Dvorak Poor AT&T.

Leo Laporte Poor AT&T. I have got a new book coming out by the way. AT&T for Dummies. No, poor AT&T didn’t know what it was biting off when it got the iPhone. Yeah, the iPhone’s been fantastic for AT&T.

Nicole Lee Right.

Leo Laporte Tens of million – how many million? 10 million more...

Nicole Lee Oh a lot yeah.

Leo Laporte …phones have been sold. A third of all new iPhone orders are new to AT&T. So it’s been a boom for them getting new owners. But what they didn’t…

John C. Dvorak They have more people that hate them now.

Nicole Lee That’s true too.

Leo Laporte What they underestimated is that iPhone users, and I’m one of them, do way more with our phones in terms of sending pictures, sending videos. I mean we are using a bandwidth like nobody’s business. And so AT&T I think was taken off guard a little bit by this and they have been upgrading the network. They said, look, we didn’t want to release MMS until we could support it but we know that you iPhone people are going to send pictures like crazy. So we had to upgrade, I think– am I crazy? But I think that in their defense that kind of makes sense.

Nicole Lee No, I disagree because I think – I mean if you can have MMS on a regular like a Razor like you said, why, every other smartphone on the market has MMS from the get-go. Why do we have to wait three years?

Leo Laporte Because we use so much more bandwidth.

Dwight Silverman iPhone users use a lot more…

John C. Dvorak Yeah, but why – yeah, but they wouldn’t have known that at the beginning, what she is saying from the get-go.

Leo Laporte They knew that. No, they didn’t know that last year…

Nicole Lee Okay.

Leo Laporte But the iPhone couldn’t do MMS last year. Could only start doing MMS with the 3GS. It wasn’t even capable of it until...

Nicole Lee Yeah, why was that? Why is that?

Leo Laporte Because Apple didn’t build – I’ll tell you why that is. Because Steve Jobs said, what are you talking? We gave you email. What do you want MMS for? Steve didn’t get it. So only the 3GS did MMS. At that point when Apple goes to AT&T, it says we’re going to put MMS in the thing. AT&T says we’re already choking and everybody in San Francisco bitches about AT&T because there are more iPhone users per square inch in San Francisco than anywhere else.

Nicole Lee It’s just really funny when they had that announcement at WWDC, and when they had the list of carriers up on the screen, you could see Vodafone on there, you could see like Orange U.K. on there, but you couldn’t see AT&T and there was a collective gasp of horror.

Leo Laporte Yeah. And booing.

Nicole Lee So all the developers where like, what?

Leo Laporte Yeah, they said what. Even your U.S. carrier is not going to do this?

John C. Dvorak So I think that you are probably right, Leo.

Leo Laporte Wow! Wow! Wait a minute…

John C. Dvorak Normally I come up with some alternative theory.

Leo Laporte I hope I’m recording this. We’re recording this, yeah.

John C. Dvorak I usually have an alternative theory that’s a little more interesting but I can’t argue with you, here you’re probably exactly right their sequence makes nothing but sense.

Leo Laporte They just – I mean I kind of feel sorry for them.

John C. Dvorak But you don’t have to milk it now.

Leo Laporte Okay, I’m done.

John C. Dvorak You win.

Dwight Silverman Houston – here in Houston AT&T announced last week that they spent $30 million to upgrade the network here alone. They doubled the backhaul capacity and they added the 850 megahertz spectrum and they tied it to the MMS. I mean they essentially said that this will help with that issue. And MMS is like SMS. It works on the control channel, right?

Leo Laporte Oh.

Dwight Silverman It doesn’t actually use…

Leo Laporte It’s not data.

Nicole Lee It doesn’t use data. It uses the text messaging plan. Whatever you signed up like a 200 plan or…

Leo Laporte Oh, that’s interesting.

Dwight Silverman It doesn’t actually use the data network per se, so if their…

Nicole Lee Well, it does but they don’t list it that way. They don’t bill you that way. I think...

Dwight Silverman So here’s a question. If it actually does – it uses a separate control channel, if you go look up how SMS works and how MMS works it uses a different network from the 3G…

Leo Laporte That’s because these technologies are older.

Nicole Lee Yes exactly. Yes


Leo Laporte SMS and MMS are older than data itself than GPRS. So they had to do something that a regular phone and a regular cell network could send this data, is that it Dwight?

Dwight Silverman Yes, and here’s a question. If you instead now have the option to use a different data stream for sending a picture, you’re not going to use email, you’re going to use MMS, could it possibly take a load off of AT&T’s 3G network?

Nicole Lee Maybe

Dwight Silverman Could it end up distributing the data so that it’s not so choked?

Leo Laporte But they probably had to upgrade this control channel because this control channel never was designed with this kind of traffic in mind.

Dwight Silverman Right.

Leo Laporte Right?

John C. Dvorak Well, on this topic, can we try to get – does anybody there want to just make a short, some short predictions about Steve Jobs on the September 9 announcement, whether he’s going to be there, and what the announcement might be? I think we speculated on this last week.

Leo Laporte Yeah, so September 9th Wednesday, Apple will be at the Yerba Buena Center for the Arts which they’ve used before for iPod launches. It’s a very niece spot. The event email that was sent out, the invitation which I didn’t get but others. Did you get one, Nicole?

Nicole Lee My colleague, [ph] Donald Dalon (59:37), he nicked it yeah.

Leo Laporte [ph] Donald Dalon (59:38). Did you get one, John?

John C. Dvorak I didn’t get one either.

Leo Laporte Did you get one, Dwight?

Dwight Silverman No.

Leo Laporte Okay. So we’re all losers.

John C. Dvorak Okay, it makes sense.

Leo Laporte So anyway this invite which I didn’t get but I notice [ph] engadget (59:46) got so I went to [ph] engadget’s (59:48) page. Has a woman dancing around a typical iPod ad fashion, silhouette with the white headphones, and it says it’s still rock-and-roll to me, I think.

Nicole Lee Only rock-and-roll or something.

Leo Laporte Which by the way is a Rolling Stones lyric. I thought 9/9/09 was all about the Beatles.

Nicole Lee Beatles, oh.

Leo Laporte So anyway, we know it’s going to be it, it’s going to be an iPod announcement. Our prediction, no way Steve Jobs shows up for an iPod announcement.

John C. Dvorak I agree.

Leo Laporte You agree, Nicole? You are nodding your head.

Nicole Lee I agree but I would be a little disappointed I think. I think because we are all waiting to see Steve Jobs show up.

Leo Laporte I am not. I wasn’t invited. I’m going to be sitting outside, saying hey, did Steve show up. Hey, were you in there? Was Steve Jobs in there?

Nicole Lee I do agree though that there are saving Steve for the yet unknown…

Leo Laporte Tabloid.

Nicole Lee …tabloid announcement.

John C. Dvorak Maybe, maybe not. Here’s one of the things that they have to concern themselves with. Unless Steve bulks up a little bit, Steve himself will distract from the announcement.

Nicole Lee That’s true.

John C. Dvorak Because all you are going to get is speculation about his health again.

Leo Laporte So he may not want to even show up at the tabloid announcement.

John C. Dvorak Unless he bulks up, I mean, maybe they could shoot him up with something that makes him kind of chubby for a day or two and he goes in there and come on there and…

Leo Laporte Pump it up.

John C. Dvorak Something could happen….it’s possible.

Nicole Lee Because they want the headlines to read Steve Jobs is healthy and well and working on this new tabloid from Apple.

John C. Dvorak Of coursethat would probably invite even more – whatever Steve did, because he has been away so long. Even if he comes back looking great, it’s going to create a whole another buzz about Steve.

Leo Laporte You are absolutely right. If you’re smart you show up as Steve Jobs at somebody else’s event. You show up at the Windows 7 launch and steal the thunder from Windows 7. He can come to my house party. Steve, Steve you are invited, come to my house party. We will serve chopped liver. We will serve liver pate, no wait a minute, that’s bad.

John C. Dvorak No, no he won’t eat liver. No wait a minute, what kind of a joke is that?

Leo Laporte It’s awful, that was awful.

Nicole Lee That was a low blow.

Leo Laporte Who told, that was terrible. No he is a vegetarian. We will serve all vegan.

John C. Dvorak He is a vegan, let’s get it right.

Leo Laporte He is from Vegas. We will serve all Vegas food all the time.

John C. Dvorak Which is mostly shrimp from what I can tell.

Leo Laporte Really, vegan is not shrimp. Shrimp has a face. Oh, Vegas is shrimp, yeah.

Nicole Lee Okay.

Leo Laporte Vegas is shrimp and beef. So Dwight, you didn’t weigh in on this. Will Jobs show up?

Dwight Silverman Well I think that – I don’t think he will but with one caveat – this is kind of a – in terms of Apple’s products it’s a light event, it’s not a Mac, it’s not the tabloid, it’s not the iPhone and maybe if they like don’t want to stress him out too much. They might bring him out for this reason or possibly, right this will be easy.

Leo Laporte All right, I am going to ask the chat room, this is our famous chat room poll where the chat room gets to tell us yes or no. Will Steve Job show up on 9/9/09 for the big, what we presume is an iPod announcement.

John C. Dvorak And what you mean by show up. He is going to show up on the stage.

Leo Laporte Yeah, okay. Yeah, not just in the back of the room, no, no, no, no, no. Yes he will, no, no, no, no, no, yes, yes, yes, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no unless the Beatles come.

John C. Dvorak It’s funny to watch.

Leo Laporte Now here’s an interesting 42, somebody said 42. Don’t care is another one. Now here’s an interesting question. If there is a chance he would show up if it’s a Beatles announcement and Ringo and Paul show up.

Nicole Lee Will they?

John C. Dvorak Well I think Paul is a vegan.

Leo Laporte That’s right, he doesn’t eat anything with a face either.

John C. Dvorak So, that’s an interesting speculation.

Leo Laporte Okay, so this is my speculation. This is it 9/9/09 Beatles right? Number 9, number 9. It’s the day the Beatles rock band comes out. It’s the day that mono-remixes of the Beatles CDs come out.

John C. Dvorak It is Beatles iPod.

Leo Laporte Well if the Beatles which have never been available on digital download, what if Apple says we have an exclusive digital download exclusive on iTunes through the rest of the year. The only place you will be able to digital download these remixes of the Beatles stuff, and ladies and gentlemen, to tell us all about it, Paul and Ringo and Steve, the fourth Beatle.

Nicole Lee The fourth Beatle.

Dwight Silverman Well I think that Just about a month ago, didn’t a month ago, didn’t we, didn’t the Beatles say that the negotiations for digital rights are still ongoing?

Leo Laporte They were ongoing.

Dwight Silverman Yeah, so I don’t think, I think that that was a signal that it’s not going to happen.

Leo Laporte It’s not going happen.

John C. Dvorak No, no, no that was a red herring.

Leo Laporte Why would you not, what negotiations, for crying out loud, release the damn things…

John C. Dvorak [ph] Everybody is downloading in (74:41) fact they haven’t announced it yet, you can say they are ongoing when in fact there has been a done deal, but it hasn’t been announced. So it’s still something is still ongoing. I think it is just weasel words.

Leo Laporte John, not John didn’t show up anywhere. Paul and Ringo showed up at a Microsoft event at E3 remember to announce Beatles rock band. So it’s not unheard that if Microsoft can afford them that he might show up at another event. They might show up at another event.

Nicole Lee Well, the question is whether…

John C. Dvorak And they’ll probably work cheaper for Apple.

Nicole Lee Well the question is whether they are going to even release the Beatles digitally right.

Leo Laporte Right, that’s what we were saying is that that deal has not…

John C. Dvorak I have it on pretty good authority that the Beatles stuff is going to come out.

Leo Laporte I think it’s got to be the case. And now, if you are Steve Jobs, you want to show up for that and…

John C. Dvorak You are right, if Paul McCartney and Ringo and maybe the Lennons.

Leo Laporte He loves the Beatles. And Yoko, what if Yoko shows?

John C. Dvorak Well then it’s, there you go Steve’s got to marry her.

Leo Laporte If Yoko shows, I am not going. That’s why they didn’t invite me because Yoko was going to be there. I would then be really hurt if that I didn’t get invited if the Beatles…

John C. Dvorak There you go.

Nicole Lee If the Beatles showed up.

Leo Laporte Remaining Beatles showed up, I would – I am now going to be hurt.

Nicole Lee Yeah, although would they show up at Yerba Buena Center for the arts - it is a smaller venue.

Leo Laporte They showed up at E freaking Three, talk about a small venue – it was in an aircraft hangar. Here is my theory. I think this has taken off, was it John who said this that Steve does not want to make his appearance be the story. He is not going to…

Nicole Lee That could be it.

Leo Laporte He is going to have to show up somewhere where it’s not, it doesn’t matter if his health overshadows the story. The iPod’s absolutely are that kind of announcement, aren’t they?

Nicole Lee The announcement has to be big enough to overshadow it I guess. It has to be a big enough announcement.

Leo Laporte Well it won’t overshadow, but it’s not the end of the world even if it does, right. So what it’s a new iPod, big deal but that’s not a big story.

John C. Dvorak If Steve could get a hold, remember the Talking Heads in that one video they did where they wore that big giant suit.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

John C. Dvorak If Steve could get a hold of that thing.

Dwight Silverman The stop making sense suit.

John C. Dvorak Yeah You’d have something.

Dwight Silverman That’s bulking up.

Nicole Lee That’s true.

Leo Laporte No, that makes anybody look skinny. If I would look like I was dying in that suit, the giant suit. Let me see if I can find that. I think it’s here.

[Music] (1:07:08)

John C. Dvorak There it is.

Leo Laporte It does not look like giant.

John C. Dvorak That’s not it - it’s a big giant suit. I think it’s huge.

Leo Laporte Maybe [indiscernible] (67:21) wasn’t wearing the suit.

John C. Dvorak That’s a giant suit for the [indiscernible] (1:07:23).

Leo Laporte What am I going to get if I even search for a giant suit? What kind of weird stuff am I going to get? Giant suit. Let me look giant suit. I will do talking, oh no, David Burn giant suit, right. David Burn giant…

John C. Dvorak Just hope that people tag things properly.

Leo Laporte Just pray, here it is. Giant Japanese armored [ph] Mac (1:07:48), no nothing, I get nothing.

John C. Dvorak Well somebody within those chat rooms must have a link to it.

Leo Laporte Yeah I am sure they will send us something, it has to be from the concert right because that’s where he, no it was the movie. It was in the movie.Cares. I am done, I am over it now.

John C. Dvorak We are done, what’s the next story?

Leo Laporte What’s the next story, moving on.

Nicole Lee Moving on.

Leo Laporte Moving on. Let’s see, did I mention that Microsoft’s going to be able to sell Microsoft Word now.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, you did. You mentioned that, let’s see - one, two, three, four times so far.

Leo Laporte Spiderman is now a Disney property.

Nicole Lee Yes.

John C. Dvorak Does anybody but me, can I maybe do a little editorializing here?

Leo Laporte Yes.

John C. Dvorak So, Disney used to be the family-friendly and all those other kind of thing and then some years ago they changed Tomorrowland from kind of a looking forward, kind of a cool place where the Monsanto House of the Future which today will be some sort of roundup thing and then kind of a bright cherry future, then they changed it in the Disneyland in Anaheim to this kind of grim kind of dysfunctional-looking, dystopia kind of creepy based on things like Mad Max, that kind of grim future and now instead of these happy characters which you all have been used to seeing, the dwarfs running around and the crazy mad hatter and all that stuff, now we have got these incredibly creepy adult cartoon characters…

Leo Laporte Wait a minute.

John C. Dvorak Which basically would scare little kids.

Leo Laporte Spiderman?

John C. Dvorak No Spiderman, Spiderman’s kind of creepy, but the rest of them – the big, these are not things that little kids are going to warm up to - they’re not warm – it’s not Bambi we are talking about.

Dwight Silverman Leo, Leo, two words.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

Dwight Silverman Mickey Hulk.

Leo Laporte He is green.

Nicole Lee But doesn’t Disney own Miramax and like Pixar, I mean Miramax is fairly adult as you know.

Leo Laporte That’s true.

Nicole Lee Pixar is not adult per se but it has pretty good contents, not necessarily just for kids.

Leo Laporte You are saying its smart diversification.

Nicole Lee Maybe.

Leo Laporte Yeah, Marvel, they spend 4 billion in stock and cash.

Nicole Lee See, I don’t – it seems a little bit overvalued; $4 billion is a lot.

Leo Laporte But how much movie do these, how much money do these Marvel movies make - they are doing very, very well I think?

Nicole Lee That’s true, well what do they make? The X-Men movies.

Leo Laporte X-Men…

Nicole Lee

Hulk….

Leo Laporte Spiderman

John C. Dvorak Hulk, Wolverine.

Nicole Lee Wolverine – that’s true.

Leo Laporte All of these are doing really, really well I think. I don’t know if $4 billion well, but that’s what, I mean Disney is a movie company nowadays it really if you think about Pixar, Miramax Disney, has really become a movie company and if you are movie company owning the rights to all those Marvel characters, we seem to have an insatiable appetite for superhero movies.

Nicole Lee It’s getting to be that way.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

Nicole Lee Yeah, absolutely.

Leo Laporte Because our lives suck so bad. Here’s speaking of, here’s the giant suit.

John C. Dvorak There it is the giant suit.

Leo Laporte Giant suit, now if Steve Jobs had that giant suit, how could he, he could easily come out on the stage. What it does though is make your head look really small.

Nicole Lee It does.

Dwight Silverman David Burns head is really small.

Leo Laporte Well there you go. That suit is actually normal, normally sized suit and he is a tiny, tiny person.

Dwight Silverman And still [indiscernible] (1:11:05).

Leo Laporte I don’t know, I don’t know he is getting interviewed by somebody very strange and this, I don’t know where this video came from but there he is in the giant suit, so. Wait a minute the person’s changed, I don’t, this is, this must be from somebody.

John C. Dvorak What are you watching?

Leo Laporte I don’t know. This is a link, this is a link sent to me by the chat room. These people have strange taste.

Nicole Lee According to fun crunch in the chat room, she says that David Burns designed this suit because he has a big head - to make it look smaller.

Leo Laporte Oh, see, see.

John C. Dvorak It’s counter-intuitive.

Leo Laporte Oh, that was him introducing, interviewing himself that’s he was all of those characters. Oh that’s creepy.

All right, let’s take a break, come back with more, you are listening to This Week in Tech with Dwight Silverman of the Houston Chronicle, the chronicle tech blog is a must read at blogs.chron.com/techblog. Nicole Lee from CNET she is their expert on cell phones and her blog is neekole. Spelt funny. Ni – is it n – spell it for me.

Nicole Lee N-e-e-k-o-l-e.com

Leo Laporte See even I spelled it wrong, neekole.com.

Nicole Lee It’s a personal blog, so there is nothing really exciting on there.

Leo Laporte Where would you like people to go to find out more about…?

Nicole Lee Yeah, so I do, we do a cell phone podcast on CNET as well. I am on that.

Leo Laporte Tell me about that, where is that?

Nicole Lee Yeah, it’s at dialedin.cnet.com.

Leo Laporte That’s the name of it.

Nicole Lee Yeah, dialedin.cnet.com.

Leo Laporte I will use that from now on for your lower third, we will use that.

Nicole Lee Yeah.

Leo Laporte And then of course John C. Dvorak at channeldvorak.com. He has so many podcasts he only – he only really – let’s go to that website.

John C. Dvorak Channeldvorak.com works.

Leo Laporte And that’s the place to go. Any of you, are any of you into audio books at all? Gosh you ought to be, you are missing such, how can I get you to, maybe if I had free offer or something, maybe if I could give you free two free audio books that would be sufficient to get you to check out audible.com/twit2. That gives you the access to the platinum account. The platinum account is two books a month which is what I use because I go through two books a month easy. And if you do that, you get the first two free and you get to keep them even if you don’t stick around. So this is fun, although it becomes a challenge because now you got to pick two books and there’s so, man you just go to audible.com with 60,000 choices and it’s hard not to just go crazy on here - Stephen King, Dan Brown, Nora Roberts, Dean Koontz, just a huge amount.

This is great, they have added some social features the most popular books on your fellow listener’s wish lists, John Irving’s A Prayer for Owen Meany, Pat Conroy’s South of Broad, Jerry Pournelle’s The Mote in God’s - we’ve got to get Jerry on this show again, he hasn’t been on in ages. The book he wrote with Larry Niven top five wish list books. There is a bunch of a great sci-fi now on Audible. Thanks to the Audible Frontiers program including Lucifer’s Hammer which is new. They’ve just added that and another Jerry Pournelle.

John C. Dvorak That’s a great book.

Leo Laporte Isn’t that great?

John C. Dvorak That’s an awesome book.

Leo Laporte If you have never listened, look at this the sci-fi stuff is just fantastic, audible.com/twit2 that’s the place to go whether it’s business, classics, fiction and non-fiction whatever you are interested in listening to, you are going to find it at audible.com. I want to put – I’ll tell you what I am going to put Lucifer’s Hammer. See I have got two books, two credits right here. Put Lucifer’s Hammer in there because I want to listen to that, that’s a long one too, that’s 24 hours. I like long books, that’s one in there and you can figure out what the other one is. We will make that our recommendation. Maybe The Mote in God’s Eye - another great Jerry Pournelle.

Dwight Silverman Oh, yeah.

Leo Laporte I didn’t know you were a Jerry Pournelle fan Dwight, We will get you on with Jerry because he’s just…

Dwight Silverman Oh, that’d be great, I love Jerry.

Leo Laporte I grew up, I mean grew up, I was an adult but I mean Right Byte’s Magazine’s [indiscernible] (1:15:19) he wrote for years was really what got me into computers.

Dwight Silverman I love it when he kind of blusters into the press room at CES, he’s the presence.

Leo Laporte Well, we’ll get them on and I’ll get you back on in there – we’ll do an old timer show

Dwight Silverman Okay, okay.

Leo Laporte Because that’s always fun.

Dwight Silverman I want to be on during the Windows 7 house party.

Leo Laporte You want it, all right, deal.

Dwight Silverman Yeah.

Leo Laporte Join our house party. We’ll get everybody in.

Nicole Lee [Indiscernible] (1:15:46).

Dwight Silverman [Indiscernible] (1:15:47) me some napkins though before.

Leo Laporte I’ll get you some napkins; I am so excited about that house party, it’s going to be so much fun. We’ll set up a date for that. Meanwhile get your Audible account right now, The Mote in God’s Eye is our pick and Lucifer’s Hammer, two great Jerry Pournelle classics with Larry Niven, audible.com/twit2. Your first two books are free when you go to that URL and if you haven’t started listening to audio books just start, just do me a favor. Just start, you’ll thank me later and I’ll let get e-mail every single day from somebody said - I heard the audible ad, I finally broke down, I’ve been hearing it for a long time and I cannot thank you enough. It just saves your life - long airplane flight, long commute, stuck in traffic at the Bay Bridge waiting, waiting for four days for them to fix it, audible. You won’t even mind, audible.com/twit2, we thank them for their support of This Week in Tech.

Let’s see, I had another story.

John C. Dvorak So are you loosing weight Leo?

Leo Laporte No, no I am just wasting, wasting away. Why do I look thinner, do you think I look thinner, do you think I look good?

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Leo Laporte It’s – maybe, I don’t know, I don’t think I am actually losing weight, I just think I am getting old. You know how you get old and drawn and everything starts to…

John C. Dvorak I have heard of it.

Nicole Lee I think you have lost a little weight.

Leo Laporte You think so.

Nicole Lee Yeah.

Leo Laporte Oh gosh, I am liking this show. We are going to have you guys back. So, I know what I was thinking of– you were talking about an anniversary or a date. There is a debate and I am very curious what you guys think about, some media outlets were saying, in fact my wife came to me on Wednesday, she said you know it’s the 40th anniversary of the Internet. I said what?

John C. Dvorak Yeah, that’s a good story.

Nicole Lee Yeah.

Leo Laporte How did I miss that? Well it isn’t, that’s how I missed it.

John C. Dvorak That is why you didn’t missed it.

Leo Laporte It isn’t. For some reason, I guess because Symantec did a press release or something, media outlets have decided September 2nd is the 40th anniversary the day the Internet was invented, in fact not even close. Leonard Kleinrock who ought to know better says that on his site it was October 29, 1969, when that famous first message was transmitted to SRI – from two computers in SRI in Menlo Park.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, but wait.

Leo Laporte But wait there’s more.

John C. Dvorak But wait.

Nicole Lee But wait.

John C. Dvorak That was the first use of what was already in place.

Leo Laporte ARPANET.

John C. Dvorak Which had to be in place before that message was sent and before it was in place, it had to have been conceived and invented, thus the Internet itself in terms of its, the way – the way it was conceived is that the, should you base– it’s like being born – if you’re being born, your birthday is not when you first started crying or when you say mom; it is when you were born is that really the date of the Internet’s birth, I think we should be celebrating.

Leo Laporte Well, okay.

Dwight Silverman You’re talking about conception. You’re talking about conception.

Leo Laporte Yeah, what do you know, I mean, come on now, let’s not get in that debate.

John C. Dvorak What other the debate that we’re going to get in?

Leo Laporte Concept, the Internet was conceived. On Kleinrock’s website, there he says that they were using ARPANET and – do you consider ARPANET the birth of the Internet because ARPANET’s even older.

John C. Dvorak Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Nicole Lee Yes, absolutely.

Dwight Silverman But did ARPANET use a tcprp which is a protocol for the Internet. I am talking about tcprp.

Leo Laporte He says on September 2, 1969, his team exchanged meaningless data over the ARPANET.

Nicole Lee Nothing has changed.

John C. Dvorak It’s just like you do today.

Leo Laporte We send a Viagra ad.

Dwight Silverman Youtube, it’s Youtube.

Nicole Lee It’s been 40 years, nothing has changed.

Leo Laporte Meaningless date - oh it’s a Twitter account, the first Twitter. I had pancakes for breakfast. But on October 29th they sent an actual message. Why did it take so long, I mean that’s two months later practically?

John C. Dvorak They didn’t know what to say.

Leo Laporte He says...

John C. Dvorak The guy was standing right across the room. Hey, can I send you a message, why don’t you just tell me.

Leo Laporte So the first message, message according to this, they were trying to log in to one computer from the other but they only got the first two letters LO and then the system crashed, so the first…

John C. Dvorak Sounds like a – there is a joke there somewhere in the line.

Leo Laporte Yeah, it sounds like Windows. So the first message in the Internet was LO.

Dwight Silverman LO, Hello.

Nicole Lee LO.

John C. Dvorak LO.

Leo Laporte And then we’re able to do a login an hour later. So what is the official birthday of the Internet?

John C. Dvorak We’re going to have to do a poll, we are going to have to talk to [ph] Vince Surf (1:20:34) and all this other Internet old timers.

Leo Laporte He’d know.

John C. Dvorak And they’re all going to give us different dates.

Leo Laporte You know – let’s – who is definitive on this, the Wikipedia, let’s ask, Wikipedia will know.

John C. Dvorak Wikipedia.

Leo Laporte They’ll know.

John C. Dvorak Yeah that will give us a ballpark.

Leo Laporte Okay, Wikipedia, first two [indiscernible] (80:59) that would become the ARPANET were interconnected between UCLA and SRI. UCLA of course in Los Angeles, SRI in Menlo Park, California, October 29th, 1969, that was the first connection.

Nicole Lee So would that be the first...

Leo Laporte It’s not the conception, johncdvorak.org/blog. It’s just the first connection, but that’s even wrong according to Kleinrock because they sent data two months earlier.

John C. Dvorak Then we’re being scammed.

Leo Laporte I just want to know when to get the cake, that’s all.

Dwight Silverman I think the 29th, I’d vote for the 29th.

John C. Dvorak I think we just do the whole year as the Internet year.

Nicole Lee Yeah, Internet year. There you go.

Leo Laporte It is the internet year. So this is the 40th Internet year. So we’ve got Woodstock. It’s interesting isn’t it? Woodstock and the Internet - the same age.

John C. Dvorak Oh that’s in – it is an interesting coincidence.

Leo Laporte Really.

John C. Dvorak What else was taking place then?

Leo Laporte 1969, Richard M. Nixon was inaugurated a President in 1969.

John C. Dvorak 69, 69.

Leo Laporte What a great year. What were you doing?

Dwight Silverman The Manson murders.

Leo Laporte The Manson murders, there you go. What were you doing John in 1969, where you at [indiscernible] (1:22:08) then?

John C. Dvorak It’s hard to say.

Leo Laporte He doesn’t want to admit it. You’d have graduated already, I bet.

John C. Dvorak Let me think.

Leo Laporte Were you working...

John C. Dvorak It’s kind of a blur, so long ago. Let’s just to say I’m lucky to be alive.

Leo Laporte I would say, yeah I was in – I think I was in 8th or 9th grade in 1969.

Dwight Silverman I was 13.

Leo Laporte Yeah, we’re the same age, Dwight. Yeah

Dwight Silverman Yeah.

Nicole Lee Apollo 11 returned from the first successful moon landing.

Leo Laporte Oh yeah because the moon landing

Nicole Lee In 1969.

Dwight Silverman That’s right, the moon landing.

Leo Laporte Moon landing was in 1969

John C. Dvorak Oh yeah. The moon, there is a lot of things that happened in ’69, who knew it was such a great year.

Leo Laporte Do you think anybody including Kleinrock, [ph] Vince Surf (1:22:46), Bob McCabe all the people involved in this – these early days of the Internet had any idea what they were creating.

John C. Dvorak No, of course not

Leo Laporte No idea.

John C. Dvorak No they were just having fun. [Indiscernible] (1:22:59).

Leo Laporte They thought it would be a good idea. [Indiscernible] (1:23:00) was working at the Pentagon and he – his issue as I remember from, by the way Katie Hefner has a great book - Where Wizards Stay Up Late that talks about all these. You know I have that book, I should see what she says, but she talks about...

John C. Dvorak She’d give an….

Leo Laporte What, that…

John C. Dvorak She’d probably give you another date?

Leo Laporte She probably would, she probably would, but she talks about the fact that I was – I think it was [ph] Lick Lyder (1:23:26) who was in a Pentagon office and he had two computers right next to each other, they couldn’t talk to each other and he said; I’ve got to spend some money, figure a way that two different makes of computers could talk to one another. And they went to...

John C. Dvorak And then he went to a lap link.

Nicole Lee Oh, lap link. I had one of those.

Leo Laporte Al Gore was not there at anytime

Nicole Lee No.

Leo Laporte No, I don’t know was Al was doing at the time. Big VMware conference was this week, in fact we have had a couple of visitors who were there at the VMware conference and it’s interesting because on one hand The New York Times says that VMware is maybe Microsoft’s top rival after Google. On the other hand [ph] Paul Thorat (1:24:09) was saying boy, I mean this a company that just that the lights are out, they just haven’t realized it yet – it often happens in technology that...

John C. Dvorak Are you talking about VMware?

Leo Laporte Yeah, he thinks that Microsoft’s Hyper-V is just going to -- [ph] steal more (1:24:21)

John C. Dvorak Everybody, I’ve got in both sides to that argument, but most of the people I talk to that seem to be in the know, say that the VMware code is at least two to three years ahead off anything Microsoft’s doing and Microsoft’s the company that’s clueless and if history proves us correct I would take that bet.

Leo Laporte But remember, Paul Maritz is the CEO at VMware, former Senior Executive at Microsoft who was actually the number three guy there and he also lured away another Microsoft guy, Todd Neilson, he’s the COO. What do you think Simon’s here for the VMware, he’s from London. What do you think, Simon, Microsoft or VMware, who’s going to win this one in virtualization?

Simon At enterprise level, VMware will win. (1:25:05)

Leo Laporte He says at enterprise level VMware all the way.

Simon SMB market, I think they’ll lose attraction from the share there and Hyper-V will come up – (1:25:05)

Leo Laporte SMB market, Hyper-V is going to be a good contender there. So it’s a horse race in other words, it’s a very close horse race, interesting. Okay, well now that I’ve put everybody to the sleep I think that we should –

John C. Dvorak That would do it, yeah. VMware.

Leo Laporte I saved that one for last so that you’d all have a good night’s sleep tonight.

John C. Dvorak We talk / joke (1:25:34) about the intricacies of PHP next, coming right up.

Leo Laporte You know Dane, my wonderful right hand here and my left hand, really I mean the guy really –

John C. Dvorak What are you doing with your own hands?

Leo Laporte Well you know, keeping them busy. He says we should do a web-design show and I keep saying Dane you know I just don’t – I don’t think the intricacies of PHP are really ready for primetime. I just can’t, I don’t –

John C. Dvorak And to get four columns with CSS, it requires –

Leo Laporte Exactly! I don’t think that’s going to be a good podcast.

Nicole Lee [indiscernible] and fix it. (1:26:08)

Dwight Silverman You could call it This Week in PHP.

John C. Dvorak Barely a good book.

Leo Laporte THWiPHP.

Dwight Silverman This week – THWiP.

Leo Laporte [Raspberry blowing sounds]. All right, Skype was sold, anybody care? eBay – here is an example of corporate malfeasance. Every time Meg Whitman came on stumping for senator McCain, I thought this is not the person you bring on to say what a great executive abilities John McCain has. This woman – I mean, look what she did with eBay; she spent $3.1 billion on Skype, and didn’t even –

John C. Dvorak Wasn’t she gone by the time that they bought – ?

Leo Laporte Oh, was she gone? So I won’t give her any grief.

John C. Dvorak I think so.

Leo Laporte Whoever did it, whoever was running eBay bought Skype for 3.1 billion and talk about dummy contract; the Skype guys who are obviously brilliant, said ‘well yeah we will sell you the company, we just won’t sell you the core technology of Skype.’

John C. Dvorak Do it in Swedish, come on.

Leo Laporte Come on. They are not Swedish, they are from Holland. So they said ‘we will sell…’ it’s very similar.

John C. Dvorak Well the accent is Swedish.

Leo Laporte ‘We will sell you the core technology of Skype.’

John C. Dvorak That’s actually pretty good.

Dwight Silverman Yeah.

Leo Laporte ‘For three point – I tell you what…’

John C. Dvorak For Dutch.

Leo Laporte And the Dutch by the way.

John C. Dvorak Cause it’s kind of got a little German in there.

Leo Laporte It’s a little German / Scandinavian mix. I’ll tell you what; the Dutch are the best businessmen in the world I think. They are very sharp businessmen. But they invented the stock market in, like, the 1600s.

Dwight Silverman Yeah, for tulips right, wasn’t it?

Leo Laporte Yeah.

John C. Dvorak And they don’t even live on any real land!

Leo Laporte They don’t. They borrowed their land from the sea. And they still aren’t giving it back. Anyway. So the Dutch, they said to – ‘Skype, well, we could sell you Skype to eBay, we could sell you Skype, but for $5 billion you’ll get everything.’

And eBay said ‘Well, no; that’s a little high.’

‘Well for 3.1 billion we give you everything except for this little tiny bit here; this stuff – this is just code you don’t need this.’

‘Okay, we will take it! That’s a deal!’

John C. Dvorak That’s very much the deal in a nutshell.

Leo Laporte ‘That’s the deal, man! We get everything except that a little ball of code?’

‘Yes you get everything.’

‘Okay!’

So the give them $3.1 billion. Now couple of years later the founder of Skype are saying ‘you guys are stupid, we’re not going to let you do this anymore, we’re going to get our code back. You can’t operate it without this little ball of code, and we’re taking our ball and we’re going.

And basically jeopardizing Skype ‘unless you let us buy it back.’ So they got an investment company to buy back Skype, $1.9 billion in cash, eBay keeps 35%. That values the company at $2.75 billion. So hey you know, 300 million here or there; big deal. And this investment group, which reminds me – this reminds me a lots John of when Ziff Davis was sold to Forstmann Little. These guys – these investment groups don’t want to hold it, right. They are going to pass it along, make a little money.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, they are just jugglers.

Leo Laporte It includes the Canadian pension plan investment report [ph] (1:29:15). Marc Andreessen’s new start up, he is the guy who wrote Netscape, Andreessen Horowitz, Silver Lake and Index Ventures; they put in that $1.9 billion in cash. I think this is preparatory, don’t you think, to passing it on to the Skype founders originally. They are going to get it back, they will get to keep 500 million, you know half a billion here or there; big deal. And now they’re happy.

Dwight Silverman Does the presence of Anderson mean anything in this? I mean, might he do anything more interesting with it?

Leo Laporte I don’t think so. He has such a – this is diluted amongst all these guys. Do you think he has –

Dwight Silverman Yeah.

Leo Laporte It’s just money for him.

John C. Dvorak The whole thing is weird. So I ran into Meg Whitman’s campaign manager.

Leo Laporte Oh yes; she is running for governor, isn’t she?

Nicole Lee Yeah she is.

John C. Dvorak Yeah. And of course she got into trouble by praising that guy who just quit the Obama administration, so they had to put out a bunch of fires about that. But they are very serious.

Leo Laporte Really?

John C. Dvorak I don’t think – I don’t see anybody beating Jerry Brown, but you know

Leo Laporte Jerry – you think Jerry Brown’s going to make it as governor again?

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Leo Laporte The real question is why would anybody wanted to be governor of California? It’s the worst job in the world. You have no power; everybody blames you for everything even though you can do nothing.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, but Jerry Brown seems to relish that sort of thing. He was also the mayor of Oakland, as you recall.

Leo Laporte Oh! Another bad job.

John C. Dvorak Same kind of thing.

Leo Laporte Yeah. Well he has nothing to lose. I mean he’s already – she was CEO of eBay through March 2008; I think she did preside over the –

Dwight Silverman She did do the Skype deal.

John C. Dvorak She did really.

Leo Laporte Yeah. I think that was her deal, yeah.

Nicole Lee [indiscernible] everyone says to me. (1:30:52)

John C. Dvorak But do you have a point then?

Leo Laporte Yeah. I mean that’s not what I would call a good executive decision. She brought the dummy contract.

Dwight Silverman There’s the title for this episode Leo; The Dummy Contract.

Leo Laporte Yeah, I signed the Dummy Contract.

John C. Dvorak The Dummy Contract.

Leo Laporte All right, kids. Hey, thanks so much for being here. Dwight Silverman you’re the greatest from the Houston Chronicle; blogs.chron.com/techblog/ is the place to go to read Dwight every single day. And his link blog, like I said, is really the source for this show. You don’t need to listen to TWiT, just read Dwight’s blog; you’re pretty much done.

Dwight Silverman No, do listen to TWiT.

Leo Laporte Oh all right.

Dwight Silverman And don’t forget Leo that Microsoft now gets to sell word.

Leo Laporte This news just in.

Dwight Silverman Just in!

Leo Laporte We’ll have you for our house party Dwight.

Dwight Silverman All right.

Leo Laporte I think we are going to have a big one. I think we might have like 20 participants. We are just going to really – we’ve got balloons for 15 and all the napkins so I think we’re set. Also don’t forget to catch Nicole Lee’s podcast, foolish me, I forgot to mention dialedin.cnet.com/ Nicole you’re great. Nicole and I worked together at TechTV and it’s just great to see you again.

Nicole Lee Very good, I still have my TechTV badge.

Leo Laporte Do you?

Nicole Lee Yeah.

Leo Laporte I turned mine in.

Nicole Lee They didn’t ask me to.

Leo Laporte I made the mistake of turning it in; I should have kept it; I would love to have that. That would be a great memory. Somewhere – I scanned it or took a picture of it, so somewhere on the internet a picture lives of my TechTV badge. Another former TechTVer, John C. Dvorak. Like the rest of us he has moved on to bigger and better things, you can find it all at ChannelDvorak.com. He is a geek. At least he’s got the shirt. They used to make ties, now they’re down to shirts, T-shirts? Remember those great Intel silk ties I got that they used to have?

John C. Dvorak Yeah, Intel’s – well they have chotchkies, I mean just (1:32:45) whatever.

Leo Laporte Chotchkies! (1:32:50) Don’t forget I’m on Bobby Llewellyn’s CarPool this week. If you want to see me drive around in a Prius and give Bobby a tour of Petaluma, my hometown, that’s at llewtube.com. Which by the way is the best looking website in history, because it’s designed to look like a 1984 Macintosh.

Nicole Lee Oh! I love it. I love it.

Leo Laporte Isn’t it great?

Nicole Lee It looks so cool.

Leo Laporte I mean, just – it’s got the waste basket and everything.

Nicole Lee Just scroll down to show people the [ph] ad, (1:33:21) there you go.

Leo Laporte Isn’t it great? Yeah, oh I love it. llewtube.com thank you Bobby. The only reason I’m plugging this by way is because he says ‘my god, you got more downloads than Stephen Fry!’ And I just want to like kill Stephen Fry dead. Just dead.

Nicole Lee He still has more Twitter followers than you, you know.

Leo Laporte Yeah. Well it’s true. Everybody has more Twitter followers. I’m number 368 on the Twitter list now. It just doesn’t even matter. You can watch this show live as I said every Saturday – sorry Sunday afternoon, 6pm Eastern, 3pm Pacific 2200 UTC at live.twit.tv. In fact we do all of our shows live. So just keep live.twit.tv on 24/7, you are sure to see something you are interested in if you are a geek. Or download it; we’ve got it on iTunes, the Zune store and everywhere else. Thank you so much for being here, we invite you to come back again next week.

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