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Episode 222


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Leo Laporte This is TWiT, this WEEK in TECH, the show that covers the week’s news in some sort of desultory way anyway; with us here, I’m so glad to have her back in studio, the wonderful Becky Worley, from and ABC News. She’s their…what are you?

Becky Worley Technology Contributor.

Leo Laporte YeAh but you really focus on like the slankets and stuff.

Becky Worley I know, I’ve become infomercial savings wench.

Leo Laporte And now you’re working on the Zynga story.

Becky Worley Well, I try it do some consumer stuff and actually I’m all Black Friday, all the time, and boy do I have exciting deal news for you dudes today.

Leo Laporte All right, this will be our Black Friday edition ladies and gentlemen.

Becky Worley It is.

Leo Laporte How exciting.

Becky Worley I know! Actual information.

Leo Laporte Also here, speaking of Black Friday…

John C. Dvorak Hey.

Leo Laporte He is in a black mood, he is wearing his black watch sweater, it is John C. Dvorak, in plaid.

John C. Dvorak

Leo Laporte There you go. Nice to see you. We are all in the studio today. When I get Becky and John in one room together, I feel like I’ve – you know, this is magic and then when you pour a little alcohol, and it bursts into the flames.

Becky Worley Oh hey, if you insist.

John C. Dvorak Yes, and we actually have some – or Leo – where did you get this by the way?

Leo Laporte Wholefoods.

John C. Dvorak The newest to – I’ve been wondering when…

Leo Laporte It’s the Georges Duboeuf.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, well it’s one of the better ones. But it’s a Beaujolais nouveau which is typically dreck, unless they have a really great year and this 2009 is notorious for being maybe, perhaps, the greatest year in Beaujolais since the 40s.

Leo Laporte I was surprised, we always get it for thanks giving – it’s kind of the tradition, because it is a very light…

John C. Dvorak This would be an outstanding turkey wine.

Leo Laporte Yes, it’s a very light wine.

John C. Dvorak So, what you want to look for is the magnums of it, they usually – if…

Leo Laporte And put them aside. But see this doesn’t keep, you’ve got to drink it.

John C. Dvorak No, no, no you don’t want to put it aside. But the funny thing is some of these are made in such way that they actually do keep, because they are not made in the true Beaujolais nouveau style.

Leo Laporte So a true Beaujolais might keep?

John C. Dvorak No, no, a true Beaujolais nouveau won’t keep.

Leo Laporte Would not keep, got it.

John C. Dvorak It turns into foamy root beer by March.

Leo Laporte Yeah, it’s terrible. You have to drink it.

John C. Dvorak Yes, this one here probably won’t do that.

Leo Laporte Is it any measure – I don’t know why we’re going into this…

Becky Worley In TECH, not in wine. This WEEK in TECH.

Leo Laporte But wait a minute.

John C. Dvorak Technology of wine.

Becky Worley Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Leo Laporte Is it any measure of how good the general vintage will be if the Beaujolais nouveau is good, or is that just…?

John C. Dvorak Oh yeah, no, no, they already know this is a great year.

Leo Laporte This is going to be a good year. Was it because of the rains or the weather? What…?

John C. Dvorak Well it wouldn’t because of the rains, that’s for sure.

Becky Worley It’s a confluence of events, gentlemen.

Leo Laporte I meant lack of rain.

John C. Dvorak Well, it just a combination of ingredients.

Leo Laporte So this is going to be a good year. This is – you heard it here first.

John C. Dvorak Yes, 2009 Beaujolais’s. And Beaujolais are a great little wine to drink, they are very – and when they taste this, good.

Leo Laporte This is a remarkably good Beaujolais. It’s a drinkable Beaujolais, it’s really good.

Becky Worley You know there is a lot technology in the old wine sector…

John C. Dvorak The question is…

Becky Worley Ground penetrating radar…

Leo Laporte Forget it, forget it Worley.

Becky Worley To see what the soil moisture could be?

Leo Laporte Forget it, Worley.

John C. Dvorak The question on my mind is that you don’t like Beaujolais from the sounds of it, why do you have this wine here at all?

Leo Laporte Because I drink, traditionally, I do try the Beaujolais nouveau, we always have it for Thanks giving, it’s a Thanks giving treat.

Becky Worley Plus Leo Laporte wanted to show us that he could say “DuBoeuf”.

Leo Laporte DuBoeuf. Georges DuBoeuf.

Becky Worley He loves to say “DuBoeuf”.

Leo Laporte It means, I am the man of beef.

Becky Worley I am [ph] a caballo. (04.36)

John C. Dvorak Everybody is thanking Becky for trying to get us back on the tech track, which is probably a good thing. But, although you know the problem, I’m very susceptible, like you are with Twitter, to go into the wine track.

Becky Worley Mr. Viniculture over here.

Leo Laporte I think wine is fascinating. I mean people always like it when you talk wine.

Becky Worley And now we’ve covered it, next?

John C. Dvorak Becky doesn’t like wine, she is a T-totaller.

John C. Dvorak No, I wouldn’t say that’s what’s going on here.

Becky Worley No, I’m a beer drinker.

Leo Laporte Oh you’re a beer drinker? If we did beer would you get all excited?

Becky Worley Oh yeah.

Leo Laporte So let’s talk about Zynga, I’m sorry. Well let’s talk about Zynga later, but let’s talk about Vertrue and what is it, [ph] Envisis vilibon? (05:07)

Becky Worley Affinion.

Leo Laporte These are the web affinity companies that are being investigated right now by the U.S. Senate and Tuesday they had hearings and rightly so, these companies are appalling.

Becky Worley This is a pretty interesting consumer story, basically on certain website during the check out portion of your purchasing; a pop up window comes up. And it’s very confusing for some consumers where this pop up comes from; and if you enter certain amounts of information, your credit card number…

Leo Laporte Certain amounts? Your email! That’s all you need to do!

Becky Worley Minimal, minimal.

Leo Laporte I’ve had this happened. So you go to, 800 flowers, they’ve all stopped it because of the heat.

Becky Worley Continental, they said I think was one.

Leo Laporte Continental Airlines. There are companies that have made more than $10 million because they share with these so-called “affinity” – web affinity companies. So what happens is you buy something – I’ve had it happen at, and before you, before the check out is done, it says, ‘hey great, thank you so much, would you like a coupon for your next purchase? Enter your email address.’ They don’t say clearly anything else, they don’t say by entering your email address, you are doing anything. But in the fine print if you were to read it, it says ‘by giving us your email address, you are signing up for a monthly charge to our loyalty program.’ You get nothing for it. They charge you between nine and $12 a month on your credit card, they know most people don’t read their credit card statement.

And this is the creepy part. You’ve only given them the email address; gives them the credit card information.

Becky Worley This is the kicker for me because like the token piece of advice for anyone purchasing online is, so long as you don’t give your credit card information…

Leo Laporte How are they going to charge?

Becky Worley …you won’t be charged. And so that violates that singular premise of safety, that your credit card number isn’t violated and as the consumer you can assume that upstanding companies will protect that, but the fact that real, legitimate companies are sharing your credit card number with a scammy, loyalty program is unforgivable.

Leo Laporte Appalling.

John C. Dvorak Well, not only is everybody in bed with each other but don’t forget the banks are part of the scam.

Leo Laporte Yeah, because they make a percentage too.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, but if you try to take this charge off your account or you – you can’t get rid of…

Leo Laporte It’s recurring.

John C. Dvorak You can’t get rid of it. And you say ‘hey, I want to stop this – well, we can’t really do that because when it comes in we have to pay it.’ And the banks will not actually help you at all. The banks are the lowest form of scum when it comes to this sort of thing.

Becky Worley That has not been – I didn’t have one of these particular recurring charges.

John C. Dvorak There are a bunch of – well the recurring ones are impossible to get rid of.

Leo Laporte Here’s the deal. If you say, cancel from now on, it’s not so hard. If you say, I didn’t know about this. I don’t want to pay for this. I have been doing for a year without my knowledge, good luck, because you are not going to get that money back. That’s really hard to get back. And I think you’re right there…

John C. Dvorak They know what’s going on.

Leo Laporte They know what’s going – everybody knows what’s going on. In fact in the Senate investigation, it was very clear that this worked because the web loyalty companies knew that no one knew they were getting charged and, sad to say, the merchants did. has earned more than $70 million in revenues.

Becky Worley Well, they are so – I don’t know.

Leo Laporte They are scammy to begin with. I am not going back to – these are the sites I will never do business with again.

John C. Dvorak Well, let’s name them.

Leo Laporte,,, Columbia House, Confi-Check, get ready for this one, this makes me sick because I use them all the time, and, Fandango, FTD, Hotwire, [ph] Incuite, Telios (08:29),, Orbitz, Priceline, Redcats, Shutterfly, Travelocity, US Airways and Vistaprint.

Becky Worley Hello, Kayak.

Leo Laporte They are gone.

Becky Worley There’s nobody else.

Leo Laporte Kayak – well, the problem with Kayak is it then sends you to those sites. Those are the companies that made over $10 million.

Becky Worley That is so bad.

Leo Laporte Companies, it’s even worse. I hate to tell you. The companies that are doing, or did it, they partnered with Affinion, Webloyalty or Vertrue and they made between one and $10 million, include Yahoo!, Victoria’s Secret, TigerDirect.

Becky Worley John, what are you going to do?

Leo Laporte Pizza Hut, Lillian Vernon.

Becky Worley No Victoria’s Secret! John!

John C. Dvorak Everybody knows that I buy stuff at discount houses.

Leo Laporte eHarmony, Barnes & Noble,, these guys are all …

Becky Worley You only hit the Bs. Wow.

Leo Laporte That’s just the Bs! So there’s a link – CNET did a great article on this and there’s a link at the bottom – we’ll put it in our show notes.

Becky Worley I got to pitch this story. This is a great – this is a classic consumer story.

John C. Dvorak So I think a better thing to list, who is not part of this scam?

Becky Worley Right.

Leo Laporte No kidding, because that’s where I am shopping from now on.

John C. Dvorak Who? Is there anybody left?

Leo Laporte Well I don’t know – Amazon is not.

John C. Dvorak Oh, ok.

Leo Laporte Thank you Amazon, thank you Jeff Bezos for having a little bit of cojones, and not, you know…

John C. Dvorak Well, yeah. He probably knows what’s going on.

Leo Laporte He knows – well, this is the point, is that Priceline, all these companies know exactly why it works because you didn’t know you were giving them the credit card and you didn’t check your bill.

Becky Worley Well let’s stop for a second and just back out of this. What’s web loyalty?

Leo Laporte Well, it’s nothing. What do you get? You get nothing for this. You don’t get – maybe you’ll get some scam – some spam.

John C. Dvorak Scam spam.

Leo Laporte Scam spam. Maybe you’ll get a coupon code at some point. Nothing worth nine to $12 a month, that’s for sure.

Becky Worley It’s just what would you possibly – there’s, there’s so little I would pay nine to $12 dollars a month for.

Leo Laporte They know that you don’t think that you are paying that money. They know that – what’s really going on is they know that, well I am giving my email address so I can get a coupon.

Becky Worley Right.

Leo Laporte They know that you are being scammed, everybody knows that.

Becky Worley Okay, so let’s transition to this other scammy story that Michael Arrington is really hot on about Zynga.

Leo Laporte Yeah, we’ve talked a little bit about this before and this is similar. I was explaining to Becky before the show how this – this is the FarmVille thing we’ve been talking about, John. Zynga’s FarmVille, YoVille, they do some online poker.

Becky Worley Mafia Wars.

Leo Laporte Mafia Wars. They are very smart. They really know how to make addictive products. You just can’t stop playing. Have you played – have you fallen for this?

Becky Worley This is one of those things like smoking pot. I never did it because I was afraid I would really like it.

Leo Laporte You are really smart. Yeah, you are really smart. Why did you drink Knob Creek then?

Becky Worley That was the other reason, I like alcohol so much, so why bother with elicit drugs?

Leo Laporte That’s just mean. I shouldn’t really bring back…

Becky Worley Oh, you have to mention the bourbon.

Leo Laporte We have some history together, you and I.

Becky Worley Oh stars!

Leo Laporte But – now it’s all gone out of my head.

Becky Worley Wow!

Leo Laporte So the way this work on these is you’re at FarmVille – first of all, the whole notion of FarmVille is virtual goods, right? So you build this farm but if you really want to have a nice farm….

Becky Worley You have to pay – real money!

Leo Laporte You have to have FarmVille greenbacks and you cannot accumulate enough by playing the game.

Becky Worley And the government is not subsidizing this type of farming, right?

Leo Laporte No. Now if you were to make cheese, that would be another matter.

Becky Worley Okay, just checking.

Leo Laporte So, in order to enhance your farming you get so hooked into this so you’re really willing to, at some point, give them real money. And it’s like real money for these virtual bucks, which you then buy a virtual fence with. However, I think the big bucks for them – and these companies, it’s estimated that Zynga makes anywhere from 150 to $250 million last year. The money comes from, not that so much, as people say ‘well I’m not’ – and this is why it’s a – the whole thing is a tease. ‘Oh, you could give us real money or hey, we’ll give you bucks for free, if you just take these quizzes.’ I did it once and you take an IQ test, by the way I think I scored very high.

Becky Worley Oh, good to know, good to know.

Leo Laporte They hinted that I scored very, very well, they said ‘if you’d like your score, give us your phone number.’ That’s when I stopped. At that point you either will get a very expensive sms message. That’s one way these companies make money or they will sign you up for stuff and send it to your cellphone bill so you see it on your cellphone.

Becky Worley Which is passive charging.

Leo Laporte Passive!

Becky Worley So they send you a text and it charges you $20.

Leo Laporte Yes, yes.

Leo Laporte On your phone bill, which goes to that company.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

Becky Worley So scammy.

Leo Laporte Yeah, it’s terrible. Somebody is pointing out in the chat room that I do exactly the same thing.

Becky Worley Why?

Leo Laporte But I don’t. You can subscribe. If you want to support the show, you can donate. And I say, it says on the button, “recurring donation”. It says you get an email, it says we are going to charge you every month $2, big deal right?

But I’ll admit the reason I do it, is the same reason these guys do it, is because if it’s a small recurring a donation I know I forget to cancel, I’m still paying for Vonage service I haven’t used in two years because it’s a – such a pain to cancel.

But folks if you do have a recurring donation and you decide that after this show you would like to never send me any money again, just you go to your PayPal account and you cancel it from there. It’s very easy to do.

Becky Worley And this is part of the bigger issue of advertising new media, business model. How do people who create content make a living and this is a huge wider issue that is fundamentally answered with one word.

Leo Laporte What’s that?

Becky Worley Disclosure.

Leo Laporte Yeah. Well, at the same time, and you could disclose in fine print, I mean there’s disclosure and there’s disclosure and I think you should try to act above board with people.

Becky Worley Well, transparency and disclosure, I mean you have to have a non-smarmy approach to this…

Leo Laporte Right.

Becky Worley …if you want people to trust you.

Leo Laporte I’ve been actually actively considering whether to discontinue the donations. We get – I mean the donations put us – made it possible for us to get started. My original thought was we would only be on donations and it wasn’t enough to run the network, to grow in the way we wanted to grow. So we started taking advertising. I probably should cancel the donations.

Becky Worley I think you are one of the very few people in this business who could possibly use that model, and when you…

Leo Laporte The donation model or the advertizing?

Becky Worley …when you did it – the donation model. When you did it to begin with, I was flabbergasted...

Leo Laporte I was hopeful.

Becky Worley …that you thought it would work and I was gobsmacked that I did.

Leo Laporte It worked well enough.

John C. Dvorak In the 30s?

Leo Laporte Gobsmacked is a good word. It’s one of my favorites.

Becky Worley It’s a great word and I thought it was a good…

John C. Dvorak What does it mean?

Becky Worley Literally?

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Becky Worley I would assume that it’s of the same ilk as…

Leo Laporte You got hit in your gob.

Becky Worley Yeah, your gob is your mouth, your kisser.

Leo Laporte Yeah, you got hit in your mouth.

John C. Dvorak So what that’s got to do with him asking for donations?

Leo Laporte She was gobsmacked. She was stunned.

John C. Dvorak Stunned. Well, that’s a different word.

Leo Laporte Nonplussed?

Becky Worley What, tasered? Nonplussed. Yes, nonplussed does mean that. It’s weird. It’s one of those…

Leo Laporte Nonplus is a weird word.

Becky Worley It’s such a bad word

Leo Laporte What does nonplus mean?

Becky Worley It means impressed.

John C. Dvorak It doesn’t mean what you think it means. Look it up.

Becky Worley That’s right. It means…

Leo Laporte It doesn’t – it means something weird.

Becky Worley No, you think nonplus means, I was bored by it. I was like oh big whoops.

Leo Laporte It means – I thought it meant like – I thought it meant – I think it means like stunned, like…

Becky Worley That’s what I mean. It means impressed, stunned, wow, I am non plussed.

John C. Dvorak Impressed doesn’t mean stunned. I can be impressed but I’m not stunned.

Leo Laporte Okay, non plus.

Becky Worley What – this week in semantics? Give me a break.

Leo Laporte Nonplus. To put at a loss as to what to think, say or do; bewildered. That’s a good way. A state of perplexity, confusion, or bewilderment.

John C. Dvorak Right, that’s not the same as impressed.

Leo Laporte But is it the same as gobsmacked?

John C. Dvorak I don’t know what gobsmacked means!

Leo Laporte Are you getting a little warm?

Becky Worley I was a little warm. I think it’s the heat in the…

Leo Laporte Yeah, she’s had to strip down.

John C. Dvorak She’s heating up Ladies and gentlemen.

Leo Laporte It’s called Strip TWiT, this is a new show.

John C. Dvorak This week in stripping.

Leo Laporte I like the idea, Strip TWiT. We are going to play strip TWiT a little later on in the show.

Becky Worley But anyways, I mean I think the bottom line is this also goes to transitioning to the interesting Chris Pirillo little slap fight that’s going on about advertizing in twitterfeed.

Leo Laporte Now we’re all friends with Chris Pirillo so we should…

John C. Dvorak No!

Leo Laporte You’re not? You’re not a friend of Chris Pirillo?

John C. Dvorak No, I just – she almost knocked the table over.

Becky Worley That was brilliant. Really did sound like…

John C. Dvorak It would have gone to you by the way. All the wine would’ve landed on you.

Becky Worley I know but I am laughing because Leo says ‘we’re all friends with Pirillo’ and then…

Leo Laporte And he goes ‘No!

John C. Dvorak No.

Leo Laporte ‘No! Not I, no!’

John C. Dvorak No, it wasn’t that – somebody…

Leo Laporte So what is it– is this something on Twitter, is this a twitter thing that’s going on?

Becky Worley Well, I mean I think this is that thing you responded to about Brooke Burke which is – so I think it’s – was it – no it was Scoble, sorry, sorry, sorry, Scoble.

John C. Dvorak Not Pirillo?

Becky Worley It was Pirillo and Scoble, not Pirillo and Arrington.

Leo Laporte Scoble talked about it.

Becky Worley Right, he said Pirillo was a little bit on the devious side by not disclosing his…

Leo Laporte Well, frankly if you follow Pirillo on twitter, it’s just non-stop coupons, right.

Becky Worley Really? I don’t.

Leo Laporte Presumably because he is making money off of this, it is advertizing, although it doesn’t say advertisement.

John C. Dvorak So is he complaining – what – the guy...

Becky Worley Scoble is saying that there’s, that basically Pirillo is promoting things in Twitter that he is getting paid for that are basically advertisements without disclosing…

John C. Dvorak Well then isn’t he subject to the fine from the FTC?

Becky Worley But it’s not Twitter based it’s blogging. So how does…?

Leo Laporte Well doesn’t blogging and Twitter…?

John C. Dvorak This is blogging. It’s micro-blogging, that’s what they say it is.

Becky Worley Well, does the…?

John C. Dvorak So is Pirillo susceptible to $10,000 fines every time he Tweets?

Leo Laporte Apparently, he says I can’t sell a sponsorship without using the pound ad tag. But I am looking here at ‘have fun with the Sony WX1’, this is an amazing indoor low-light point and shoot camera. I see a link, I don’t see an ad tag, and I think this is the problem with these is, is it an ad? Or does he like the Sony? I can’t tell.

John C. Dvorak I can. It must be an ad because who can like a Sony?

Leo Laporte I think it’s an ad, right?

Becky Worley Well, and he also says, ‘show me one person who is promoting or positive about something who’s not getting paid for it’. That’s another one of his recent TWiT which is not true and that’s his perception. You know, I had to sign a contract that says, I will not cross that line.

Leo Laporte You work for ABC.

Becky Worley Now that’s one of the benefits of working for old media.

Leo Laporte But do you do satellite media tours?

John C. Dvorak [Indiscernible] (18:03)

Leo Laporte So when you went to work for ABC, you had to stop doing SMTs.

Becky Worley I did them only when I wasn’t doing any journalism.

Leo Laporte Right. That’s why, by the way, you weren’t on TWiT for a long time, because I didn’t want to have somebody who was working for companies that we cover.

John C. Dvorak No, that’s not it, you guys had a lover’s quarrel.

Becky Worley That’s what it was.

Leo Laporte It was the Knob Creek. Blame it on the Knob Creek, baby.

Becky Worley No, no, and you know what, I actually respect that because you shouldn’t…

Leo Laporte Why is he looking at me like that?

Becky Worley It’s the word knob. It’s really disturbing in this context.

Leo Laporte He’s trying to see. You know what he just did? He floated something and he looked really carefully at me to see if I flinched. He’s checking me out, he’s saying ‘hmm is there something going on here?’ Did I flinch, did I pass the test?

John C. Dvorak You never flinch. It’s unbelievable.

Becky Worley I’d also like to point out…

John C. Dvorak You’re an old pro.

Becky Worley … Dvorak is the one who had all the hot chicky friends who he goes to lunch with like Victoria Recaño.

Leo Laporte You know she showed up again on the TV. She is back.

Becky Worley Oh, yeah, she is on the Insider.

John C. Dvorak No, no, no, no, she is on KTLA.

Leo Laporte No, no, she’s on the KTLA. She is working where Michaela is.

John C. Dvorak She finally got rousted from the Insider, which is a tough gig for her. She had to travel around the world and stay in first class hotels.

Becky Worley How terrible.

Leo Laporte I don’t know how she did that.

John C. Dvorak Actually, it was over the top in terms of harsh.

Leo Laporte Was it? What was it? I never saw it. What was the deal?

Becky Worley It was probably a pretty radical schedule.

John C. Dvorak She had a radical schedule. I mean she was living it up, she was basically staying at George [ph] Cinq (19:21), flying first class around the world, following these various celebrities.

Becky Worley She is a player.

Leo Laporte I love, I think Victoria is a very nice girl…

John C. Dvorak But now she is settled. She has a baby so she settled down.

Leo Laporte She had a baby?

Becky Worley Has she really?

John C. Dvorak You guys aren’t keeping up.

Becky Worley No.

Leo Laporte Becky knows more about what’s happening with Ashton Kutcher, then she does with Victoria.

Becky Worley I know, rumors scout. I don’t know.

John C. Dvorak She has a baby, a cute little baby.

Becky Worley I was talking to a producer at ABC news the other day, and Leo’s going to love this, and he was saying he is a big fan of TWiT and he was saying how Leo is a good example of someone who is an old media guy who has reinvented himself in the new media format, and I think that this has been a very tricky negotiation of ethics, of maintaining a relationship of trust with your viewers and your listeners, and I think…

Leo Laporte Do you think it’s more important in new media or less?

John C. Dvorak It’s almost non existent.

Becky Worley Totally disagree.

Leo Laporte It seems to be with people like Pirillo, it seems to be…

John C. Dvorak Chris is even – he is the tip of the iceberg. I mean just the whole thing is a mess. And Chris has always been kind of a promoter. I mean even in old media.

Becky Worley But okay, so let me query you this. Who do you find influential? And this was the whole point of Scoble’s thing is he said that Leo’s influence rates, he may have a smaller audience than people who have more followers or…

Leo Laporte He compared me to somebody named Brooke Burke. Who’s that? I don’t even know who that is.

Becky Worley She was kind of a modelly, beauty queeny chick.

Leo Laporte She has got like a 2 million followers.

Becky Worley She hosted a show of like Hot Babes Travel the World kind of thing. It wasn’t exactly like that but it was. Now she has three kids and she pitches for Sketchers and she’s sort of this like hot new mom.

Leo Laporte But she was on Twitters, suggested user list. So she benefited with millions of followers. Now what he is mentioning is a service called, and what’s is doing, the other ones doing the same thing, is inserting ads into people’s Twitter streams and paying them. They are claiming that people are making tens of thousands of dollars a week. Well, I thought I’d test this theory. So I signed up

Becky Worley Oh, really?

Leo Laporte Well, what the heck? I am not going to do it but I signed up, and you do – they said, your price…

John C. Dvorak You should test it.

Leo Laporte Well we’ll see. They said your price should be something like $2,830.

John C. Dvorak Of what?

Becky Worley Per what?

Leo Laporte Per week.

Becky Worley Per post?

Leo Laporte No.

John C. Dvorak No, per week.

Leo Laporte They post several times a week, not everyday but I think several times a week.

John C. Dvorak It’s like these guys who put those underlines all over your…

Leo Laporte It’s B.S bogosity, they don’t have any advertisers. I can’t believe anybody’s doing this. I mean that’s the key. It’s not so much getting Twitterers to sign up, that’s easy, get Brooke Burke to sign up, big deal? Right? She has got nothing to preserve, but do you get an advertiser – is an advertiser going to spend that kind of money? But you can set your rate, so now 2,000 is way low.

Becky Worley I was going to say, that’s a 100k a year and if that’s the goose…

Leo Laporte That ain’t going to put me…

Becky Worley The goose that laid the golden egg, why do that?

Leo Laporte So I said I’ll do it, 1,000 a week, half a million a year.

Becky Worley Wow!

Leo Laporte We’ll see. If anybody – and you know, I have to say, I’d be a little conflicted if somebody says, okay. That’s a lot of money.

Becky Worley Okay, well, what, what if you took…

John C. Dvorak They’re not going to say okay.

Leo Laporte But they’re not?

Becky Worley But what if they said okay and you took the donation button off, like…

Leo Laporte Well, by the way, one of the things [ph] Adley (22:25) does is, you can donate it to charity.

Becky Worley Oh, interesting.

Leo Laporte That’s their way of making it a little bit more powerful.

Becky Worley But I mean, and my point about the donation button is more than it’s a transition, because I think you made the point that that’s how got started. But the media is changing.

Leo Laporte Well, we’re ad supported now, and the amount of money we make on advertising pay – eclipses the amount on the donations. But I still do the donations not for the money – although it’s well appreciated, it pays the rent, it pays the…

John C. Dvorak “I don’t do it for the money.”

Leo Laporte No, no I do this for the money. Believe me; I do this for the money, it’s a job.

Becky Worley John, are you and I the only people who give Leo this much crap?

Leo Laporte Yes.

Becky Worley I mean seriously?

John C. Dvorak No.

Leo Laporte No, I do it for the money, I’m not saying that, but I’m saying the donations are not a significant revenue source. But I do like the idea that people do a buy-in. I think I kind of like the idea that for two bucks a month you have an investment in TWiT and it’s a way of saying – of giving people a way to participate and of buying in, I don’t know, I’m considering getting rid of it.

Becky Worley Well, maybe the other thing is…

John C. Dvorak Wait a second, at Scoble you’re walking billboard for Rackspace, this is Chris’ post somebody sent in…

Leo Laporte Well it’s true.

Becky Worley Oh, no, he did…

John C. Dvorak Your way of /# ad is superior to everyone else’s? I don’t buy it, says Chris Pirillo.

Leo Laporte No, we all do ads. And somebody said to me, well what’s the difference between inserting an ad that says ad in your Twitter stream and what I’m about to do which is an ad for…

John C. Dvorak Google your ad.

Becky Worley So, no, I got a very…

John C. Dvorak That’s an ad, it’s…

Leo Laporte It’s very clearly an ad.

John C. Dvorak Give it up and walk out.

Leo Laporte Which is good, I noticed out.

Becky Worley There are three words.

Leo Laporte Is that what you do there?

Becky Worley [Indiscernible] (23:49) distinction.

John C. Dvorak Because I refused, I think advertising is just evil.

Becky Worley Oh, the true commie.

Leo Laporte How much do I send you every month?

John C. Dvorak I forgot. Whatever the case is, no I…

Leo Laporte John gets paid to do this show. I just want you to know. And he gets paid money from the ad ribbon.

Becky Worley I think that one of the points here is it has to do with the medium. So the difference between when you do an ad and on Twitter is tone of voice. Your tone of voice when you do an ad is completely different from when you are doing the show.

John C. Dvorak Not really.

Leo Laporte No.

Becky Worley Yes, it is.

Leo Laporte Really?

Becky Worley You make a huge – you become radio dude.

Leo Laporte Yes.

John C. Dvorak Well, but he does that mostly – he’ll drop into radio dude constantly.

Becky Worley But those are social cues.

Leo Laporte For any reason whatsoever!

John C. Dvorak If possible.

Becky Worley Especially if he can do…

Leo Laporte I think, I think, here is what I would say I agree with you not so much the radio dude, but I say very clearly this is the ad. I think…

Becky Worley Right.

Leo Laporte The problem with the Tweeter stream– the reason advertisers would but a Twitter stream is because it’s not clear that it’s an ad. It mixes advertorial – advertisement with editorial – and they – that’s valuable to an advertiser because…

John C. Dvorak Oh, yes.

Leo Laporte It confuses the viewer.

John C. Dvorak Yes, you are trying to confuse people into buying your products.

Leo Laporte Right. And I think…

John C. Dvorak By the way how you can trust – this reminds me of the spammers. They trick you into opening e-mail with a phony baloney – I don’t see too much of this, needless to say, but I do see it…

Becky Worley Because he gets no spam.

John C. Dvorak You get a little thing saying you know, I’m going to be who was it, this weekend, the name, you just don’t get, I don’t know, who was this…

Leo Laporte Right.

John C. Dvorak And you click on it, that’s like that’s some bogus ad…

Leo Laporte [ph] It’s the Cialis ad (25:09), I get this all the time.

John C. Dvorak So you say to yourself…

Becky Worley I don’t.

John C. Dvorak Could you trust these people to even ship you a product…

Leo Laporte Right.

John C. Dvorak If you bought it…

Leo Laporte Right they’re liars.

John C. Dvorak When they have obviously tricked you already.

Leo Laporte They’re liars.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, they’re liars.

Leo Laporte I think that…

John C. Dvorak What’s your POP filter by the way?

Leo Laporte I don’t POP.

John C. Dvorak Oh!

Leo Laporte Actually I do but I donated my POP filter to you guys.

Becky Worley Leo Laporte does not pop his Ps.

Leo Laporte I don’t pop my Ps. I’m waiting for the one that matches the gold mic.

John C. Dvorak Oh, you better get a hold of [indiscernible] (25:35). Look, I couldn’t use the POP filter but that’s a…

Leo Laporte You have a titanium POP filter; I need a golden POP filter.

Becky Worley You guys, we’re getting too inside baseball and you’ve unwittingly transitioned me to my next comment. Unless Leo needs to make an advertising break.

Leo Laporte I’m going to take a break.

Becky Worley Okay. I’ll tease you with this.

Leo Laporte What is it?

Becky Worley I think that movie theaters are dead and digital movie downloads are going to live forever because of news about popcorn. That’s the tease.

Leo Laporte This doesn’t have to do with the Eggo waffle shortage, does it?

Becky Worley No.

Leo Laporte Okay.

Becky Worley But you’re close.

Leo Laporte Is it related?

Becky Worley It’s a tease. Go forth and advertise.

Leo Laporte Does it have to do with Archer Daniels Midland? Did you see my red Mustang out there in the front? Isn’t that pretty?

Becky Worley Yes.

Leo Laporte I paid for – I always wanted, I paid full list for that, I did not get a deal from Ford.

John C. Dvorak Why?

Leo Laporte I tried. I tried to get a ‘friends and family’ discount but apparently I’m neither. So I paid the list. But that’s okay, because I needed a new car, I liked the car. And what I really wanted to do is try the Ford SYNC, because I know we’d be doing ads. And I don’t like to do ads for anything that I don’t like and use and you know. I think that’s one of the reasons the ads work here is because people know that I’m not advertising something I don’t use. What are you – is that – did you blow your nose?

Becky Worley Oh. Was that a…

John C. Dvorak I’m sorry.

Leo Laporte That was disgusting.

Becky Worley Oh, was that a [indiscernible] (26:48) nose blow?

Leo Laporte So I have the Ford Sync in my car, I’ll take you for a ride, John.

John C. Dvorak No I want to – just give me the keys while you’re doing the.

Leo Laporte You want the keys, wait a minute. Here, go ahead.

John C. Dvorak I’ll drive it around.

Leo Laporte Yes, here, go ahead. Can you a drive a stick?

John C. Dvorak Real funny.

Leo Laporte It’s got five speeds John, I don’t know if you can handle that.

John C. Dvorak I’ll ignore it.

Leo Laporte It’s clearly marked. First is forward...

Becky Worley Get your bifocals on, John.

Leo Laporte Second, third, fourth…

Becky Worley It’s an H, kids.

Leo Laporte Fifth, reverse. And don’t forget the clutch pedal!

Anyway, it has a Ford SYNC in it. One of the cool things is Ford SYNC – let me just give you a synopsis what Ford SYNC is. It’s the hands-free Bluetooth connection that lets you control your car via your voice. The whole point you do not take your eye off the road or your hands off the wheel. Anything you’d want to do you can tell your car to do, and it does. Well not anything, but – for instance I could say ‘dial Becky Worley at home’ and it will dial you. The voice recognition is excellent.

Becky Worley He doesn’t have my number.

Leo Laporte I don’t have your number. How did that happen? Have you – you’ve been hiding from me? It will allow me to say read the front page of The New York Times. It will – I can get sports scores, I can get weather reports. I can even get – and this is kind of interesting – turn by turn directions.

I think there’s a reason for this. You have to license the maps, they’re expensive, on the screens. And that’s why those GPS devices are so expensive. And if you get the in-car, it’s really expensive. This way you get turn by turn, there’s no visual. It’s talking to you, it says turn left here, turn left, turn right. It walks you through it. It does a great job, it knows your routes, you could teach it your home, school, work routes. It will check the traffic and say, oh, we got a traffic problem, it will reroute you. I mean it’s super smart.

Ford SYNC is, I’m telling you, the best I’ve ever used. I get in the car and it automatically starts playing my books on tape, I just love it. I want you to find out more about it.

Now unfortunately you can’t buy it aftermarket. You have to buy a new Ford, Lincoln or Mercury vehicle, I’m sorry to say. That’s the bad news. But you can go to, right now, and take a look at the Ford SYNC. And in fact while you’re there,, you could find out how you can win a Nano or a Zune. They’re giving away 15 iPods, 15 Zunes, your choice, now through December 8. All you have to do is tweet #syncmyridepodcast.

I guess that’s in a way that’s, in Tweet advertising. Or is it? I guess it is. I mean, you know, Twitter’s smart. They don’t make that a – they won’t make that a training topic, even though we get thousands of these Tweets every time I say this. #syncmyridepodcast. That’s the way to win. And it’s a way of their – for Ford to tell you that it works with the iPod / Zune, but it also works with the Android. It works with everything. Anything with a USB connection. If you’ve got MP3s in there that are properly tagged, it knows the names of the songs, you say ‘play The Beatles,’ it plays similar, play next track. Give it a try, We do thank Ford for their support.

[Pre-recorded sound of a fake car crash]

Becky Worley John!

Leo Laporte John! Oh my God, the humanity! I don’t think I can go on. I don’t think I can go on. Oh my God, he is…

Becky Worley Guys, don’t worry, it was just a wave file.

Leo Laporte He’s trashed my car. And I just got it waxed. (Laughter) It did sound a little bit like a wave file.

It is – it is really – it is really slick stuff, but enough of that. So why am I not going to go to the movies anymore? Because of the great popcorn shortage of 2010?

Becky Worley Get this.

Leo Laporte What is going on here?

Becky Worley So the thing that keeps me going to the movies…

Leo Laporte Did you have a nice ride? That was quick.

John C. Dvorak I just drove up and down the street.

Becky Worley I played the crash sound effect and I really got Leo.

John C. Dvorak I was not going to burn out from here, but I figured Leo would appreciate it.

Leo Laporte A peel-out would be fun. I have to learn how to drift and all that stuff.

John C. Dvorak I think I definitely will…

Becky Worley Is that one you…

Leo Laporte Did you start it up?

John C. Dvorak I drove it down to the…

Leo Laporte You really did?

John C. Dvorak Yeah, to the end of the block and back.

Leo Laporte That is a longer ad than I thought. I didn’t realize I was talking so long.

Becky Worley But he drove really fast.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, I did.

Leo Laporte Doesn’t it have that nice sound?

John C. Dvorak Yeah, it’s a nice –

Becky Worley Okay, you guys have driven the Tesla, right?

Leo Laporte Yes, it’s dead silent.

John C. Dvorak I have not driven it.

Leo Laporte It’s weird, because it’s so silent.

Becky Worley Terrifying. The acceleration in that car is scary.

Leo Laporte It will pin your head back. This will do it too, but it does with noise. I mean you hear the engine doing it. And that, I think, is a little scary when it’s silent and it goes – it’s a little –

Becky Worley Right, G-force.

Leo Laporte Yeah. No, I like the Tesla. I think it’s a very cool car. If I could afford it, I would have bought one.

Becky Worley It scared me to death driving it. I almost crashed it in the first 100 yards.

Leo Laporte If I could afford it and had Ford SYNC, I would have bought it. They gotta do a deal with Ford.

So we’re talking about popcorn.

Becky Worley So, I would go – I would watch all my movies at home.

Leo Laporte John, what a face! Did you see the face? John goes (sigh).

Becky Worley We can talk about wine for five minutes, but oh god forbid we talk about the popcorn.

Leo Laporte Popcorn, all right.

Becky Worley I go to the movies exclusively for the popcorn. I’m sorry.

John C. Dvorak Boom.

Becky Worley True. And the diet cokes, okay.

John C. Dvorak Boom.

Leo Laporte Do you know that a movie popcorn…

Becky Worley This is my point!

Leo Laporte Do you know how many calories, how may grams.

Becky Worley 1,200 calories, medium bag.

Leo Laporte It’s like three Big Macs.

Becky Worley No, it’s 60 – yeah, probably – it’s 60 grams of saturated fat, which is the equivalent…

Leo Laporte Now is that if you don’t – if I say no butter?

Becky Worley It has nothing to do – this is a no-butter. It’s that they pop it in coconut oil. It’s got the equivalent of 36 strips of bacon.

Leo Laporte (Laughter) When you put it that way, it sounds good. I think I’ll take it.

Becky Worley But wait, there’s more – plus eight pats of butter.

Leo Laporte Eight pats of butter.

Becky Worley The equivalent saturated fat.

John C. Dvorak No, this is not possible.

Leo Laporte No, it’s true, I saw the same report.

Becky Worley Yeah, so I mean for…

John C. Dvorak 36 pieces of bacon and eight pats of butter?

Becky Worley Yeah, and…

John C. Dvorak No wonder the public is dropping dead left right and center.

Becky Worley Obese. And then you have that with a real Coke? Oh my god.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

Leo Laporte Get some sugar in there with their fat…

John C. Dvorak Giant coke with a big giant thing? A tub of coke.

Becky Worley Yeah, so for me – I mean I know this sounds kind of creepy, but like that was a huge part of my experience. And it’s hard to smuggle in popcorn.

John C. Dvorak No wonder you lost so much weight.

Becky Worley I know, right? Wait, no, wait, huh? This is not a – what do they call it? A pro-ana site.

Leo Laporte This is a story from the New York Times. The nutritional value of popcorn at the largest movie chains has changed little. It’s been this way for a long time.

John C. Dvorak Well, what is a long time to you?

Leo Laporte 15 years it says. The last study.

John C. Dvorak It’s not long at all, that’s 1985.

Becky Worley Okay.

John C. Dvorak No, it’s not even that long –

Leo Laporte What was the – what was the dominant computer operating system in 1985?

Becky Worley Oh no, is this old guys in tech again?

Leo Laporte DOS 5?

Becky Worley That was last week.

Leo Laporte That was last week.

John C. Dvorak That’s from the early 90s in other words. That’s not that long.

Leo Laporte A medium size…

John C. Dvorak When I was a kid…

Leo Laporte It was worse because they put butter. Well maybe –

John C. Dvorak Real butter’s probably not as bad as this crap.

Becky Worley I thought that they did it in coconut oil.

Leo Laporte A medium sized popcorn and medium soda at the nation’s largest movie chains packs a nutritional equivalent of three Quarter Pounders topped with 12 pats of butter.

Becky Worley So my point is, all these experiential factors of the movie are dissipated.

John C. Dvorak That sounds exaggerated to me.

Becky Worley When you do the science, then you come back to me, Mr. Dvorak, not that I did any.

Leo Laporte It’s not that hard – it’s not that hard to imagine really.

John C. Dvorak You don’t have to do the science, you just make it up as you go along.

Becky Worley Right, that’s news.

Leo Laporte Part of it is because the popcorns have gone bigger, medium popcorn is…

Becky Worley That’s 20 cups.

Leo Laporte Yeah, 20 cups.

John C. Dvorak Early 90s, I’d say.

Becky Worley But like a handful is half a cup.

Leo Laporte So it’s 40 handfuls of popcorn. 12,000 calories. That’s only 30 calories per handful.

Becky Worley It’s all about digital downloads, is my point.

John C. Dvorak In other words, you can’t even have popcorn now. You guys are just buzzkills.

Leo Laporte Well, oh, I can make it worse if you’d like me to. Do you know the plastics in the microwave popcorn you’re having at home when you eat…

Becky Worley I only have air-pop.

Leo Laporte I was gonna say.

Becky Worley I bought an air-popper on Amazon.

John C. Dvorak You are talking about Orville Redenbacher’s microwave popcorn?

Becky Worley The carcinogens in the microwave popcorn are scary.

Leo Laporte It’s kind of debatable which will kill you faster to be honest, the fat or the carcinogens.

Becky Worley Air pop, baby. And actually Regal theaters, I have to give them a plug, they said they tried to institute air popped popcorn.

John C. Dvorak Oh, it’s tasteless, that’s the problem.

Becky Worley. I know. But I think it’s just sort of pathological, the way you just kind of feed your face unconsciously? That’s what I love about popcorn. Anyways.

Leo Laporte According to Good Morning America, I’ve never heard of them. Are they – are they good?

Becky Worley Where do you think I heard the story?

Leo Laporte I still like – I did it the other day. My kids, who had never had it before, kind of fell over in a faint. I popped the popcorn in a pan, you go –

Becky Worley Right, right.

Leo Laporte And I put real butter on it and they had this, and they said, wow, what is this?

Becky Worley Isn’t that funny?

Leo Laporte They never had it! They’d only had…

John C. Dvorak What have you been doing with your kids all these years?

Leo Laporte Microwave. Which is a big mistake.

Becky Worley So you guys want to talk about Black Friday?

Leo Laporte Yeah, so…

Becky Worley I have some really good info for you.

Leo Laporte Can I ask you one question, though, why do they call it Black Friday? Because it’s really not – talk about marketing.

John C. Dvorak By the way isn’t this a new term? Do you remember this when you were a kid?

Leo Laporte No, no, it’s new.

John C. Dvorak I only remember Black Friday from about 10 years ago to the current.

Becky Worley If you’re in the red, you’re not making a profit. You’re in debt.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, but this is a new term that is…

Becky Worley Buying more goods than you’re selling.

John C. Dvorak …that we are all of a sudden accepting as an old term when I won’t see it.

Becky Worley The black being ‘in the black,’ it’s an accounting term. You change pens and you work in black pen. And that means you’re in…

John C. Dvorak Then what's in the blue?

Becky Worley I don’t know.

John C. Dvorak The same thing as black.

Becky Worley Oh, okay, good to know. Profitable. So this is the day every year when certain…

John C. Dvorak We could call Blue Friday.

Becky Worley …retailers go into the profitable space.

John C. Dvorak All right, enough said. All right, I think we got the point.

Leo Laporte I actually think though that it – I mean we were talking earlier about – not on the show but before the show began – about spin, how – they call prunes, dry plums and called dried cranberries craisins.

John C. Dvorak They. They.

Leo Laporte They, well they should change the name for Black Friday because it sounds like – frankly, it sounds like a holocaust. It sounds terrible.

Becky Worley A guy at Wal-Mart, a temporary worker got trampled to death last year.

Leo Laporte That’s right.

Becky Worley So I think it’s appropriate.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

Becky Worley Now, mind you, Wal-Mart is instituting new policies this year…

Leo Laporte What are they doing?

Becky Worley I don’t quite understand what this means, but they’ve said that they’re placing…

John C. Dvorak Pushing or shoving, I thought.

Becky Worley No, no. Well some stores are, but some stores are placing waiting pods through the store.

Leo Laporte What's a waiting pot?

John C. Dvorak It’s like meandering traffic on the freeway.

Becky Worley I don’t make the rules, I’m just reporting it.

Leo Laporte They’re going to have lights and say, stop, go?

Becky Worley I don’t know, maybe...

Leo Laporte Do you think the people trampled this worker are going to follow the lights?

Becky Worley I go every year to Best Buy and do this live shot, and the people lined up around the block.

Leo Laporte Yeah, it’s amazing.

Becky Worley And when they leave, the detritus of alcohol is insane.

Leo Laporte Oh, they’re boozed up?

Becky Worley There is – it’s no offense to Best Buy, they do a really good job with security, and they work really hard on it. But if you are going to be in line from midnight Thanksgiving till 5:00 a.m. the next morning…

Leo Laporte It’s a party.

Becky Worley It’s a total party.

John C. Dvorak Sounds like fun.

Becky Worley Yeah, actually it’s a social event.

Leo Laporte Now I want to go now.

Becky Worley And that’s the other thing about Black Friday. It’s a group thing. It’s a social event in a world where we’re all sort of spread out…

John C. Dvorak I think we should go with a hotdog stand.

Becky Worley That’s a great idea.

Leo Laporte Think of the money you could make.

Becky Worley Jell-O shots.

John C. Dvorak Jell-O – you have to get a license for that. But the hotdog stand, well you need a license for that too, but not as bad as a liquor license.

Leo Laporte You could just keep them under your coat. [Surreptitiously] Hot dogs, get your hot dogs…

Becky Worley So some Wal-Mart stores are going 24/7. Toys-R-Us is opening at midnight on Thanksgiving night. And a lot of stores have…

John C. Dvorak Why don’t you just go shopping tomorrow...

Becky Worley …tickets to give out…

John C. Dvorak What is the point? I don’t get it.

Becky Worley The prices can be insane.

Leo Laporte For instance, Wal-Mart, Blu-ray, DVD player from Magnavox.

Becky Worley 78 bucks.

Leo Laporte 78 bucks.

Becky Worley The next best deal is 149 for the Sony Blu-ray player, which is pretty much everywhere at Target, Wal-Mart, Kmart, I think. It’s pretty ubiquitous. 149 is the next step-up, and that’s a Sony. Let’s talk…

Leo Laporte Would you run out and buy a Blu-ray player though, I mean, for $78?

John C. Dvorak No and I will tell you why.

Leo Laporte Why?

John C. Dvorak It depends on what your time is worth. You’re going to have to wait in a long line. It’s going to be a hassle. It’s going to be two or three hours out of your day.

Leo Laporte It’s people like you that make Best Buy work because they go, well – we don’t have to – we don’t have to charge that great deal.

Becky Worley My whole point was the thing I just said, which is –

John C. Dvorak I’m getting mail order.

Becky Worley For many people, it’s a social event.

Leo Laporte Mail order. Let’s see – I am going to go to Amazon. Now they won’t have the Black Friday deals.

John C. Dvorak It’s a social event amongst –

Becky Worley No, Amazon – and Amazon actually doesn’t have a Black Friday. They have said they would do a Gold Box.

John C. Dvorak Have you seen their website that has all those pictures of those people in Wal-Mart wearing weird clothes?

Becky Worley No, oh, you sent it to me, that person who had the bike shorts –

John C. Dvorak Oh, it’s beyond that.

Becky Worley And [indiscernible] (38:46).

Leo Laporte Oh, I love that. I love that.

John C. Dvorak There is a website dedicated to this.

Leo Laporte Yes, yeah.

John C. Dvorak This is your social event you are talking about.

Becky Worley Oh, so brilliant.

John C. Dvorak Somebody on the – on the –, that’s the name. It’s awesome.

Becky Worley Oh, you sent it to me. It was so good. Okay, so that’s Blu-ray players $79 for the Magnavox, 150 for the Sony, those are the two variables. Next –

John C. Dvorak What Blu-ray brand is it?

Becky Worley Magnavox.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, there we go.

Becky Worley Oh, my God!

Leo Laporte That guy is wearing a G-string.

John C. Dvorak Keep going.

Becky Worley Oh, it’s scary.

Leo Laporte Oh, that’s attractive.

Becky Worley Wow!

Leo Laporte Yeah, I would wear a bikini top.

Becky Worley People of Walmart, that being said Wal-Mart has – I would have to say, if I was going to pick one store to go to for Black Friday, it would be Wal-Mart. And Wal-Mart is the only store that would match Black Friday deals. All the other stores who have a price matching policy have an exemption for Black Friday or time specific deals. So Wal-Mart is the only one that will match if it’s the exact same item.

Leo Laporte So if you buy – if you get a deal somewhere, just bring it to Wal-Mart and say, hey, look you know the newspaper –

Becky Worley Bring the ad.

Leo Laporte Or whatever and they will match.

Becky Worley Yeah, now, interestingly enough – let me hit a couple of other categories because I think this is important, GPS, NICE GPSs 4.3 inches or better are where the sweet spot are.

Leo Laporte Yeah, I got a Ford SYNC. I don’t really need that.

Becky Worley You had a Ford SYNC.

Becky Worley 4.3 inches, $99, RadioShack for the TomTom, Target.

Leo Laporte Wow, that’s a big screen, $99.

Becky Worley Down from $249 at Target.

Leo Laporte Wow.

Becky Worley Staples has a 7 inch Magellan for 199. Wal-Mart has a 3.5 inch TomTom for $59.

Leo Laporte Now, are you getting this from like or are you going to –

Becky Worley

Leo Laporte bfads.

Becky Worley It is the best.

Leo Laporte That’s the best one.

Becky Worley Because what’s great is you can search by category, by product name, or by store, and it will pull up all examples. So if you know that you want a 7 inch GPS, it will pull it up. You –

Leo Laporte I am sorry. I am sorry. This is bad. I shouldn’t be doing this.

John C. Dvorak You could go on for years.

Becky Worley You cannot bring up the one with the bike shorts.

John C. Dvorak Look at this one.

Becky Worley Oh.

Leo Laporte I am sorry.

John C. Dvorak That is the –

Becky Worley Is that really back fat?

Leo Laporte Yeah, that’s back fat. And you know what’s great about back fat –

Becky Worley It doesn’t look – it looks like front something.

Leo Laporte Yeah, you know, what’s great about back fat? You don’t really need to cover it up like you would the front fat.

Becky Worley How does she like bifurcate it that way?

John C. Dvorak She is wearing – the top is too tight.

Becky Worley That is impressive.

Leo Laporte I am so sorry. I have to apologize.

John C. Dvorak That’s the image I’ll never get rid off.

Leo Laporte I am sorry. I burned that into your brain. For those of you not watching on video, just say, thank, God. Thank, God.

John C. Dvorak [Indiscernible] (41:12).

Becky Worley Hot toys, no Black Friday deals

Leo Laporte What?

Becky Worley Zhu Zhu Hamsters, no Black Friday deals.

Leo Laporte Is that the hot toy this year?

Becky Worley It’s a scarcity issue. And this is something that’s really interesting to consider.

Leo Laporte Wait a minute. Say this again, Zhu Zhu Hamsters?

Becky Worley Zhu Zhu Pets.

John C. Dvorak Zhu Zhu?

Becky Worley Z H U.

Leo Laporte Oh, it’s Zhu Zhu.

Becky Worley Zhu Zhu, I am sure there is a proper like mandarin pronunciation.

John C. Dvorak Who who buys this stuff? Who buys this crap?

Becky Worley It’s a sub $10 kind of interactive pet thing that you would get for about a five year old. And they’ve been under $10. But this is an issue this Black Friday of scarcity because a lot of these retailers have been so bearish about what the holiday buying season is going to be like that they have under stocked.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

Becky Worley And so these are really hot items, Zhu Zhu Pets, Mattel Mindflex, Barbie Fashionista.

Leo Laporte Every year this happens, right? There is the Tickle Me Elmo, there is something that just can’t keep in stock.

Becky Worley But I think in years prior, it’s been more of a collective desire for a certain pet and – I mean a certain toy and this year I feel like it may have more to do with forecasting and inventories.

Leo Laporte Right, you know the good news is there is Zhu Zhu Pet iPhone app.

Becky Worley Oh, thank, God.

Leo Laporte So if you can’t – if you get home –

John C. Dvorak Who needs this crap?

Becky Worley Parents who’ve promised it to their kids.

Leo Laporte You saw the Office episode where Dwight buys out every Barbie, add some sort weird doll in town?

John C. Dvorak Yeah, I remember, that was last year I think.

Leo Laporte And he sells them to people for thousands of dollars.

Becky Worley Well, what’s interesting about this from a sort of a technology perspective is they have taken these really popular items off of the websites. So I can’t find these items on the website for Toys"R"Us or Wal-Mart, you can only get them in store.

Leo Laporte You’re not doing this for your kids or are you?

Becky Worley Oh, heck, no.

Leo Laporte They are too young.

Becky Worley Yeah.

Leo Laporte They are not old enough yet.

Becky Worley They are getting – you know what they are getting this year, Duplo. That’s it.

Leo Laporte How old are your girls?

Becky Worley Boy and girl.

Leo Laporte Boy and girl.

Becky Worley They are going to be two in January.

John C. Dvorak So can you get us a slanket?

Becky Worley You know I brought some infomercial products, one.

John C. Dvorak But you didn’t bring a slanket.

Leo Laporte She is the queen of slankets.

Becky Worley I brought some jammies.

John C. Dvorak What’s that?

Becky Worley Like little kid jammies because you never know.

John C. Dvorak No I can remember. It was a good gift.

Becky Worley I know. Just a couple of other interesting questions I have for you guys. Oh, one other thing, Target.

Leo Laporte Target.

Becky Worley Target has a $3 coffee maker, $3 tar-jay, $3 toaster, $3 – I mean amazing $3 –

John C. Dvorak $3.

Leo Laporte I am giving to everybody in my family $3 toaster. Hey, Happy Christmas, $3 toaster for you, enjoy.

Becky Worley Such a deal!

Leo Laporte Such a deal! Oh, you want more. I got $3 coffee maker. You love it.

Becky Worley Leo.

Leo Laporte That’s $6 I give you.

Becky Worley There are so many things wrong with that –

John C. Dvorak I like that voice. That’s kind of a Miss Swan as a male.

Leo Laporte I never use it.

Becky Worley It’s interesting.

John C. Dvorak You just did, it’s too late now.

Becky Worley It’s could be Sub-Saharan. It could be Asian. It’s very –

Leo Laporte You know when I was in Dubai, the funniest thing happened. A bunch of Arabs came up to me and said how come you never do Arab accent. I said what do you mean? I mean people hate it when I do the accent. They think I am mocking them.

John C. Dvorak Just some of the street people came up and said this to you.

Leo Laporte Yeah. I am huge in Dubai. You don’t know. Oh, I am huge in Dubai. They came up and said you never – I can’t – I said I can’t do – I don’t know – what is an Arab accent? I don’t even what it sounds like.

John C. Dvorak I think it’s something like one of the accent like one of the accent – like the – it’s an accent – I don’t know.

Becky Worley I could see you working on that.

Leo Laporte I will work on it. I am going to work on it.

Becky Worley Did you know that one of those fake islands that they are creating is actually in the shape of Leo’s head? He’s so big in Dubai.

Leo Laporte I am huge in Dubai. Actually that was one of the islands they cancelled. That was kind of sad. So there is just the nose, yeah I saw it. They brought me out there in the book.

Becky Worley Really?

Leo Laporte And there is just a nose hanging in the water there, it’s really kind of depressing. Really.

Becky Worley That’s so sad, you’re like the sphinx of Dubai.

Leo Laporte I think 14 Chinese people died to make that nose.

Becky Worley Oh.

John C. Dvorak I think it’s basically something like a Middle Eastern accent in general.

Leo Laporte But what is a Middle Eastern accent? I can’t do that.

John C. Dvorak It’s got to be like –

Leo Laporte I don’t, I can’t, I don’t.

Becky Worley You’re close.

John C. Dvorak You know that’s Russian.

Leo Laporte This is the problem for me. It keeps – it change to other things.

Becky Worley No, it’s good.

Leo Laporte So I have to – I probably could do a lot of –

John C. Dvorak I think the Family Guy has an Arab [indiscernible] (45:08).

Leo Laporte Do they have Arabs in the [indiscernible] (45:08), I’ll steal it from him.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, steal it from him.

Leo Laporte He’s – Seth MacFarlane…

John C. Dvorak Did you see that comedy show he did?

Leo Laporte No.

John C. Dvorak Where him and what’s the name of the woman who also used to be with the –

Leo Laporte She is great.

John C. Dvorak She is the one who does Miss Swan, that crazy character.

Leo Laporte Right.

John C. Dvorak That crazy character.

Leo Laporte Right.

John C. Dvorak And the two of them were live on stage doing a song and dance – I’ll bring you a DVD of it.

Leo Laporte Well, must be on YouTube by now.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, probably.

Becky Worley So here is where I need your advice because you are two sages, a.k.a. old dudes who have been in this business for a long time, one –

John C. Dvorak Ask for more money, that’s my advice.

Becky Worley One, netbooks, so we are in this transitional period where what we have got is I can’t recommend in good faith to people who are watching Good Morning America by the Linux Netbook. So the problem is that you have either got Vista or you have got Windows 7 Home Edition, Starter Edition.

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Becky Worley And you have to pay $80 to upgrade.

Leo Laporte Starter is okay.

Becky Worley It’s okay.

Leo Laporte Yeah, Starter is okay.

Becky Worley It’s okay? What are you –

John C. Dvorak Yeah, for probably netbook.

Leo Laporte For a while, Starter – Microsoft made noise about, press there is a button on the right.

Becky Worley Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Leo Laporte For a while they made noise about Starter only allowing three applications and they – the hardware guys said you can’t do that. Starter’s fine, I mean for a netbook it’s fine.

Becky Worley Okay, they should do that instead of Vista for sure. It’s worth the extra. It’s about $40 more.

Leo Laporte Well, and now we can get into another story.

John C. Dvorak It’s the same price.

Leo Laporte Google Chrome OS.

Becky Worley Oh yeah, all netbook all the time.

Leo Laporte Which is going to be not only netbook but require an SSD. Goggle’s going to hold very tightly to what hardware you get it on and the only way you can get it if you don’t buy it on a netbook.

Becky Worley For those who aren’t sure it’s solid-state, you are talking about, right?

Leo Laporte Solid-state drive, and will only be available next fall, for the next holiday buying season. But if you don’t want to get a Google-approved netbook and they are working with all the big netbook companies, you will have to build it yourself from scratch. Now you can do that right now. I have talked to people who have already installed the Google Chrome OS. Interesting choice though.

Becky Worley Was – that was my question again. It’s because we are transitioning, let’s say, in six, well they say it’s going to come out in a year.

Leo Laporte September, yeah.

Becky Worley So at that point if you could wait a year, is that going to be enough for a radical drop?

Leo Laporte No, no, no. I don’t recommend netbooks to people in general. I think that they are so low and slow that they are painful.

Becky Worley Okay but see this is why I sometimes think you guys are in the bubble.

Leo Laporte This is a nice one. I just gave you the Samsung NC20 which has almost a full-sized keyboard, a large screen, I think it’s 10-inch or it’s a big screen, it’s a very nice screen. I think that’s usable, but it’s the least I would recommend.

Becky Worley But see this is why I sometimes think you guys are in the bubble. This is a…

John C. Dvorak I am not in the bubble. I didn’t recommend it.

Becky Worley No, no.

Leo Laporte No, no she says you don’t recommend it because you don’t realize how price-sensitive people are.

Becky Worley Price sensitive people are, I mean this is the price point and this is for people who have good jobs but…

Leo Laporte I know.

Becky Worley You know they have already made that investment and they are down to the [indiscernible] stuff (47:53).

Leo Laporte Well, if all you want to do is get email and surf, this is fine.

Becky Worley Which is all most people do.

Leo Laporte I think what happens is they start to say but then now I can like – I’d like to edit to some video or...

John C. Dvorak Or they want to do this or they want to do that. So they are out – they have to buy two machines, they got one that’s a clunker.

Becky Worley Okay, but let’s say 15% of the population wants more. This is still a good deal, so that’s 85…

John C. Dvorak I am against this kind of thinking.

Leo Laporte This is what…

Becky Worley Shocker.

Leo Laporte …the criticisms of Google Chrome OS were is that it locks you into this kind of inflexible system where you are offline, you can’t do anything. You know, you can only run applications in the browser and a number of people like us, PC World editors and so forth have said, well, aren’t people going to want to do more, they are going to start wanting to run applications. I don’t know, do you think that’s the case or – you are not cloud fan, John?

John C. Dvorak No, not really. I mean I think the cloud has its…

Leo Laporte Chrome OS only makes sense in the cloud.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, I think the Chromo OS is something of a red herring.

Leo Laporte I have a gift for you and I forgot to give it to you.

John C. Dvorak In fact Sergey himself just off the record made a comment that, well eventually Chrome and Android will be the same thing and…

Leo Laporte Oh that’s interesting.

John C. Dvorak So this whole thing, I think, is just a way to jack around Microsoft.

Leo Laporte They puzzle me because they do have, I mean Android is a very good OS.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, they’re putting it on netbooks, they are doing this and that and the other thing with it.

Leo Laporte So I…

John C. Dvorak I think the whole thing is a scam.

Leo Laporte We talked about SSD drives, right?

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Leo Laporte And you were – were you happy with your SSD or no?

John C. Dvorak Yeah, it’s fine.

Leo Laporte You didn’t notice a huge improvement. I guess it was Gibson that was saying…

John C. Dvorak No, no, I didn’t have the huge improvement because I didn’t have the motherboard to support it to absolute max speed but the point is it’s expensive.

Becky Worley What was the…

Leo Laporte I was going to give – I have – Newegg had…

Becky Worley Gigs. What are you talking about?

Leo Laporte I just bought…

John C. Dvorak Yeah, I have 85 gigs.

Leo Laporte Newegg had a deal, 160 gig Intel X-25, which is the one you want for – under $500. They had a big deal and I bought one for you, John, but I forgot to bring it. But I’m going to give it to you, it will be your Christmas present. But you need a machine to put it.

John C. Dvorak I got a new machine I’m building right now with an i7 in it.

Leo Laporte Good. Perfect. So pull out the hard drive, 160 gigs is enough. It’s plenty really.

Becky Worley Oh, P.S., one quick thing. Last Black Friday deal, terabyte $59.

Leo Laporte That’s amazing. We buy…

John C. Dvorak Yeah, there you go, terabyte $59.

Leo Laporte I am buying – we buy Caviar Green drives at Newegg, 1.5 terabyte for $100. So prices have tumbled for hard drives. Of course I go through quite a few, you see we have them all up there. That’s our storage.

Becky Worley Wow.

Leo Laporte I’ll have to take you upstairs and visit the SAN sometime.

Becky Worley Okay, so you are ready for my next trend question?

Leo Laporte Yes.

Becky Worley California says that by 2011 energy consumption on television sets that need to be – to be sold in California need to be reduced by 30%.

Leo Laporte Did they approve that rule?

Becky Worley Five to zero. And then by 2013, energy consumption down by 50% on television sets.

Leo Laporte 50% from what, today’s average?

Becky Worley That’s a good question. The specifics here I don’t know.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, there you go, 50% from what? Now is the time, ladies and gentlemen, to get your plasmas while they’re still available.

Leo Laporte Is this [ph] card (50:50)…

Becky Worley That was my question. So the plasma deals this Black Friday, 599 for a 50-inch plasma.

Leo Laporte Buy now, buy now.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, but is this even a usable 50 plasma, I mean is it any good?

Becky Worley Well, there is a Sanyo….

Leo Laporte The Sanyo I think.

Becky Worley For 559 and there is a Samsung for 699.

John C. Dvorak I will get the Samsung.

Becky Worley Yeah, it’s $100 better.

Leo Laporte So you are saying that you think – I am surprised they passes, I know when they proposed this ban it was hugely controversial.

Becky Worley Well, the CEA was definitely against…

Leo Laporte Oh yeah, I mean it, it…

Becky Worley But that’s their job.

Leo Laporte It’s stupid. So the legislature has now said you can’t buy an inefficient TV, actually not legislature, as you said regulator, it’s the CEC, starting at 2011. I want to see these criteria because I wonder what it’s based on.

Becky Worley It’s 30% reduction against current standards. So what that means is uncertain, but let me give you an example. So an LCD compared to a plasma is supposed to be a 30% reduction in energy minimum.

Leo Laporte Alrighty, yeah, yeah. And the new LED-backlit TVs are even more even more efficient.

Becky Worley And I have heard those are like 30% even more.

Leo Laporte And you know what, they are very good.

Becky Worley Right.

Leo Laporte They are not plasma but they are very good.

Becky Worley So I think that this is the year to buy the plasma because as California goes…

Leo Laporte Yeah, because we want to consume more energy. I think if you really want to consume more energy, you should buy now.

Becky Worley Well, but that’s…

John C. Dvorak [Indiscernible] (52:14).

Leo Laporte That’s why I bought the Mustang. I feel that it’s my right…

John C. Dvorak To get a V8 finally, Leo. How long does it take for you to get a clue?

Becky Worley Thank, God [indiscernible] (52:21).

Leo Laporte You know what I figured out, I thought this is the – I don’t drive much, I drive a few miles to and from work if I drive.

Becky Worley Rationalization.

Leo Laporte I think this is the last time I’m going to ever be able to buy a gas car like this.

John C. Dvorak A V8.

Leo Laporte A V8 gas car.

John C. Dvorak Make sure you mention that part.

Leo Laporte This will be the – but historically do regulations like this work where the California Energy Board says you can’t buy this TV?

Becky Worley Everyone’s creating a parallel to the Air Resource Board’s mandate about the emissions.

Leo Laporte Chlorofluorocarbons, or emissions, okay.

Becky Worley And so in California our emission standards are very different but here’s the difference and basically let me give the back story. When California changed the emissions standards on cars, many car manufacturers…

Leo Laporte Okay, this is…

Becky Worley Is it a cow farting, what was that?

John C. Dvorak I’m going to play it – let me play a little bit.

Leo Laporte It’s in Arab accent. Somebody said, so.

John C. Dvorak Oh no, yeah, I am sending you a note to another [ph] one (53:13).

Leo Laporte Yeah…

Becky Worley And so interesting because I was doing this really fascinating dissertation on EPA standards.

John C. Dvorak We were paying zero attention to you if you haven’t noticed.

Leo Laporte Well, keep going because we’ve got this all on tape, I will review it later.

Becky Worley Car manufacturers basically said well if we got to do it in California we might as well do it everywhere and cars became lower emitters. But the difference is in California we have to have a smog check every year. We actually have a regulatory board…

John C. Dvorak Which is a total scam by the way.

Becky Worley Right, but it enforces…

Leo Laporte What? It’s a scam?

Becky Worley Well, this is – this is yet again another Dvorak conspiracy …

Leo Laporte Why is it a scam?

John C. Dvorak It’s a total scam. You ever [ph] thought – (53:43) sit down when you go to one of these places. For one thing, there’s two kinds of car checks. You can go to the check-only or you can go to the check and fix and you can’t – the two of them – one of them - you have to go [ph] one, the other one the other [indiscernible] (53:55) it’s like $100 just for having to stick a thing…

Leo Laporte Every year I have to do this, yeah.

John C. Dvorak And so you ask, you ask – go and – next time you go and talk to the owner and he is going to go on and on about, oh they make us buy this equipment and then they discontinue it and the maintenance on this thing we barely make any money. The whole thing is a rip-off. The car check thing is a rip-off, a time waster, the smoke check thing is a fraud, the whole thing is just a bad…

Becky Worley Leo asked me what this is.

Leo Laporte Is that the world’s smallest island?

John C. Dvorak No, she thinks this is fantastic. We just need more rip offs…

Becky Worley Oh, it’s so terrible to live in California.

Leo Laporte Let me ask you this, let me ask you this.

John C. Dvorak California, we got 10% personal income tax. Sales tax in San Francisco is…

Leo Laporte But isn’t the air quality – look at – go to LA, the air quality is much better thanks to these restrictions.

Becky Worley It’s much better. But the point, going back to the plasmas is there is a regulatory board, rip-off or not, that forces people to be in compliance. That ain’t going to happen with plasmas, okay. So I live in California, I buy an energy hog plasma from a company that’s in Virginia.

Leo Laporte Well, that’s the unintended consequence is that you are going to get a lot of people buying energy hog TV as we ramp up to this.

John C. Dvorak What is an energy hog mean to you?

Becky Worley My plasma.

John C. Dvorak What? Give me the number.

Becky Worley 50 inches…

Leo Laporte They use a lot of power.

John C. Dvorak Yes, I know they do but what’s the number compared to an old tube. Let’s start with that. Give me some numbers. I want some numbers.

Leo Laporte I think it’s 500 watts, something like that.

John C. Dvorak You think it’s 500 watts to run a plasma.

Leo Laporte An older plasma, yes, I don’t know.

John C. Dvorak Do we know or we’re just making it up?

Leo Laporte I made that up out of thin air. Anybody know in the chat room – 600 watts according to CNET.

Becky Worley I just had a look at the…

Leo Laporte Here’s the chart from CNET. Let’s look at the power consumption chart. This is actually great.

Becky Worley It’s considerable, John.

Leo Laporte It’s a lot. It’s not insignificant.

John C. Dvorak This is as much as your 1,000 watt i7 PC sitting on your desktop. Is it that much?

Leo Laporte Well, that’s, I am afraid next to be honest. If they are doing this to TVs, how long before they say, you can’t buy a power hog computer.

Becky Worley It’s going to be a gamer’s tax; it will totally be on big towers.

Leo Laporte A gamer’s tax. You know when you buy a car, I looked at the Shelby, $1,000 gas guzzler tax.

Becky Worley Not to mention what’s on your insurance.

John C. Dvorak I am on this chart here where does it say 600 watts.

Becky Worley I was paraphrasing what I’d read which was there was a 30% decrease from plasma…

Leo Laporte The largest is a Panasonic TH-65 V – it’s a 65-inch plasma, 575 watts.

John C. Dvorak That’s a big monster.

Leo Laporte The 50 inch, 535 watts. So Leo Laporte’s guess was dead accurate.

John C. Dvorak So you get a 30% decrease. So the LCDs are chewing it up.

Leo Laporte It’s plasmas that are really bad.

Becky Worley Plasmas are the hogs, the LCD…

Leo Laporte The worst LCD is a Sony 52-inch, it’s 285 watts, but most LCDs are lower.

Becky Worley And then LEDs is much better.

Leo Laporte And that’s really where we are going. The truth is an LED backlit LCD is a better TV anyway, maybe not in plasma.

Becky Worley Well, and that’s the bottom line, it’s like okay we are going there anyway so what the...

John C. Dvorak If – can we do a calculation on the watts – number of hours of television you watch, this price of a backlit LCD, which is not cheap compared to a $600 plasma over a two-year period, that’s the calculation. Somebody in the chat room, quick number.

Becky Worley It’s not a consumer issue though.

Leo Laporte What’re you reading? Freakonomics again? What is the deal here?

Becky Worley Will you go leave it?

Leo Laporte Did you know – I got a statistic for you?

John C. Dvorak I got a statistic right here.

Leo Laporte Driving my Mustang…

John C. Dvorak Oh, here we go.

Leo Laporte Is more efficient if you are a beef eater…

Becky Worley Yes, yes.

Leo Laporte 10 miles to the gallon you get.

John C. Dvorak Oh, this is ridiculous.

Leo Laporte Walking, 10 miles to the gallon if you lived on beef.

John C. Dvorak You know it’s even – you really save a lot of money if you’re a Mustang owner and you’re dead. That’s where get the maximum benefit.

Becky Worley You do, that’s such a good point.

Leo Laporte I’m the little old lady from Petaluma, a little old podcaster from Petaluma.

Becky Worley Well, the whole freak – the super freakonomics thing about cows, cars and cats…

John C. Dvorak There’s a 196 watt plasma from Panasonic 58 inches, that’s better than the LCDs.

Leo Laporte There you go!

Becky Worley That’s pretty impressive.

Leo Laporte How many 58?

John C. Dvorak A VIZIO plasma 32-inch which I didn’t know they made them that small.

Becky Worley Yes I have it.

John C. Dvorak 122 watts.

Leo Laporte But you don’t want a 32 inch TV.

Becky Worley Oh, yeah, but LCD or is it plasma?

Leo Laporte Plasma.

Becky Worley Oh, no, mine’s an LCD.

John C. Dvorak Plasma, it says, right here, I’m looking at this – there are low power…

Leo Laporte They have greatly improved the power consumption of plasmas. Maybe that’s what this regulation is intended to do.

Becky Worley And that’s fine. I am just saying that your…

John C. Dvorak What’s an RPTV?

Becky Worley Rear projection.

John C. Dvorak Oh, got it.

Becky Worley Oh, my god, that was so exciting for me.

Leo Laporte I was sure she is going to say rear penetration but that’s another matter…

John C. Dvorak That’s not here so…

Becky Worley Oh! That will make the edit, hello, cutting room floor.

Leo Laporte Ladies and gentlemen, let’s take a little break before Leo…

John C. Dvorak Here’s the 50 inch Hitachi with 336.

Leo Laporte You know about Squarespace? Have you used Squarespace?

Becky Worley Well, tell me more because I went and checked it out as a hosting option, right.

Leo Laporte It’s great hosting option. So the idea is you get – it’s hosting and the software, if you want to check it out. We’re using it now for Becky Worley reaches in for the cheese. We’re using…

John C. Dvorak Here’s an LCD that’s 242. It’s pretty high.

Becky Worley I think you find the [indiscernible] (58:59)…

Leo Laporte Just shows you, just shows you. But that’s a great chart. We’ll put a link at that…

John C. Dvorak That’s why I am here.

Becky Worley I know, I know.

Leo Laporte We’ll put a link to that chart in the…

John C. Dvorak It’s a good chart.

Becky Worley [ph] Mr. Anomaly. (59:05)

[Recorded sounds of taxi cab chatter]

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Becky Worley You cannot do an example of an Arab accent [indiscernible] about taxis (59:19)

Leo Laporte Not working.

Becky Worley You are wrong. Your are not a progressive.

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Becky, so nice to see you. I am so glad you’re here. Is this your full-time job doing the ABC thing?

Becky Worley Pretty much. I am working on a documentary right now about how geeks are coming to the rescue on global warming and climate change.

Leo Laporte I’m listening.

Becky Worley Doing it with Morgan from TechTV.

Leo Laporte Morgan Webb?

Becky Worley Morgan, no, Morgan Feng Smith. Remember Morgan Feng Smith?

John C. Dvorak Morgan Webb, Mary [indiscernible] (1:01:35).

Becky Worley Morgan Webb Feng Smith?

Leo Laporte I am sorry. Oh, the Morgan?

Becky Worley Right. The – not Morgan Webb, what is she, on some kind of…

Leo Laporte Morgan Feng Smith.

Becky Worley Remember he was a shooter for news. Good guy. Anyways I thought you’d know him.

Leo Laporte Hi, Morgan, sorry. I forgot you.

Becky Worley No, he didn’t work on screensavers or anything. He was on TechTV.

Leo Laporte There were a lot of people towards the end at TechTV and I am often embarrassed by meeting people who say, you remember me, I was at TechTV, and then I go no, I don’t remember you. I stuck to myself pretty much towards the end.

John C. Dvorak You were a loner.

Leo Laporte I was a loner.

John C. Dvorak You are a loner dude.

Leo Laporte I was a troubled loner.

Becky Worley You were not a loner.

John C. Dvorak He was a troubled loner.

Leo Laporte I was a troubled loner.

Becky Worley I am just going to intersperse some great deal as we go along.

Leo Laporte Sure please.

Becky Worley At Costco on Black Friday and going forward you can get $60 worth of iTunes gift cards for $48 dollars, and a $3 coffee pot at Target.

[Recorded sounds of taxi cab chatter]

Leo Laporte Three dollah coffee pot.

Becky Worley Yes, don’t worry it will come back. I will come back and throw some deals out there and see how fast you can get your Arab accent going which I do not find even remotely appropriate Leo Laporte.

Leo Laporte It is not even close.

John C. Dvorak I don’t know; you know what that 2 or $3 toaster thing you do whatever that voice is…

Leo Laporte Three dollar toaster.

John C. Dvorak Is close enough…

Leo Laporte You think?

John C. Dvorak You can use it, yes.

Leo Laporte I could say it’s an Arab accent; here by the way I want to Yahoo! Answers, question, how do I speak with an Arab Middle Eastern accent?

Becky Worley And there is an answer?

Leo Laporte And the answer is bit of a tricky one; Arabic is spoken right across from the Atlantic coast of Africa to the Persian Gulf and classical Koranic Arabic is learned and quoted by Moslems in places like sub-Saharan Africa and the Himalayas.

Becky Worley Okay that’s in Arab…

John C. Dvorak What is this?

Becky Worley Who was educated in London.

Leo Laporte Very good. You are like Henry Higgins.

Becky Worley I am.

John C. Dvorak No, that sounds more like a Pakistani.

Leo Laporte Okay.

Becky Worley That pretty much makes you some strange girl from the streets, northern London, I don’t know.

Leo Laporte Oh, so sorry this show that generate…

John C. Dvorak Here is another …

Becky Worley Apple 1 for sale on eBay.

Leo Laporte Apple 1, yes, and now I wonder whose it is because it is only…

Becky Worley Some dude in – it’s a second generation owner. He wasn’t the original.

Leo Laporte Is it the wooden Apple 1?

John C. Dvorak No, no it has to be just the bag of parts with the original label.

Leo Laporte You had to build it yourself, right?

John C. Dvorak Yes.

Becky Worley It comes with a signed letter from Steven Jobs explaining that how to connect up a monitor and keyboard.

Leo Laporte That’s pretty funny.

Becky Worley That’s pretty Steven, Steven.

John C. Dvorak Steven.

Leo Laporte That’s pretty funny. Is that on eBay? What’s the current price?

Becky Worley I think it’s 50 K.

Leo Laporte $50,000?

Becky Worley Which is funny to me because

John C. Dvorak Okay.

Becky Worley Well I want to…

John C. Dvorak Here we go, here we go. This is – what – the numbers I’m looking for, on the same chart they have cost per year.

Becky Worley Okay, you completely...

John C. Dvorak Now...

Becky Worley Just give yourself a minor transition instead of just going of on your whacky tangent.

Leo Laporte This is how you he is.

John C. Dvorak I just want to finish this.

Becky Worley What, what is this [indiscernible] (1:04:23) you?

Leo Laporte It’s sold for $50,000, it’s sold.

Becky Worley No, he is talking about the plasma’s again.

Leo Laporte Oh jeez!

John C. Dvorak The cost per year of the most expensive plasma is 82 bucks compared to like 40 bucks or 27 and the point is if you are getting the thing for 595 bucks it’s going to take you 10 years of having the more cheap one.

Leo Laporte John, John, john.

Becky Worley No, but I think, John makes a really good point, is if you are a savvy consumer and cost is everything, buy the plasma now because it’s quite possible that these uber-cheap plasma’s will not exist in the very near future.

Leo Laporte The California Energy Commission is not trying to save you money John, they are trying to save the planet, excuse me.

Becky Worley Hello?

Leo Laporte Hello?

Becky Worley Al Gore is here with a whip on your back.

Leo Laporte Earth to no agenda, Mr. Tinfoil Hat here the Apple 1 computer sold for 50,000 but you know I think this is kind of like we sold the screen savers refrigerator for like 10,000.

Becky Worley Yes.

John C. Dvorak Did you ever get the10 grand?

Leo Laporte No.

John C. Dvorak It’s a scam.

Leo Laporte It’s so easy on eBay to bid and not pay, right.

John C. Dvorak But you have to pay him a commission though, commission on…

Leo Laporte Wait a minute, he is charging additional $3,000 for shipping.

John C. Dvorak What for shipping. It’s a bag of parts that weighs less than a pound.

Becky Worley Let’s say he actually gets paid, who is really, really mad.

Leo Laporte Who?

Becky Worley Ron Wayne.

Leo Laporte The third guy, Ron Wayne was one of the people who started Apple with Jobs, Woz and Wayne and it got to a point where they needed some money and Jobs sold his VW Bug, Steve Wozniak sold his HP calculator to raise enough money to buy parts for the Apple 1 and Ron Wayne said…

Becky Worley His risk talent was a little limited.

Leo Laporte I don’t – This is never going – and he quit.

Becky Worley He relinquished his stake, his 10% stake for $800.

Leo Laporte Worth billions now, billions!

Becky Worley So this guy is ticked. It’s...

Leo Laporte He is like the Pete Best of the computer world.

Becky Worley He is the guitarist from…

Leo Laporte Pete Best was the fifth Beatle.

Becky Worley Right, right, right, right, right, right.

Leo Laporte He is the guy they replaced.

John C. Dvorak But Best was fired.

Leo Laporte Yes, he was replaced, so Ron Wayne was volitional.

Becky Worley Right. This is a great parable in risk tolerance, the guy…

Leo Laporte But how do you know, there is about a million guys...

John C. Dvorak It happens all the time.

Leo Laporte Who were right to bow out.

John C. Dvorak More importantly…

Leo Laporte The guy, the guy who…

Becky Worley [Indiscernible] (1:06:39) had a kid.

Leo Laporte The guy who sold his 10% share in for a thousand bucks made the right choice.

Becky Worley Fair enough.

John C. Dvorak So Drew and Alf, I guess from the Netherlands, he says the savvy consumer is going to say the heck with the crappy LCD and go with the plasma quality that blows the doors off the LCDs.

Leo Laporte Thank you Drew and Alf.

Becky Worley And 90% of consumers think that LCDs are much, much, much better than plasmas.

Leo Laporte Most people prefer LCDs, they don’t get it, they don’t know.

John C. Dvorak Just because they don’t see enough action.

Leo Laporte No, you know why it is because you go in the store and the LCD is brighter in a bright store and it looks good and people gravitate towards bright pictures, they are overly bright pictures but if they were to get it home and put in a home theater environment the plasma’s blacks are better.

Becky Worley That was my – I bought the plasma when I had the dark room, now I have a room with 180 degrees windows.

Leo Laporte It’s no good.

Becky Worley It is brutal to watch.

Leo Laporte You need an LCD, it’s too reflective.

John C. Dvorak Now I am getting people complaining about my discussion.

Leo Laporte Samsung 50 inch…

Becky Worley I feel bad [indiscernible] (1:07:32).

Leo Laporte LED backlit…

John C. Dvorak That’s okay, I am done.

Leo Laporte What discussion?

John C. Dvorak About the plasma’s, this guy says you are complaining, he says oh, this is not interesting.

Becky Worley This is news you can use, people, nobody goes off [ph] my John. (1:07:44).

John C. Dvorak And there – we have some guys, LCD is better than LED, what is he even talking about?

Leo Laporte Maybe he’ll prefer $6 coffee pot.

John C. Dvorak Three.

Becky Worley Three.

Leo Laporte Three dollah coffee pot! [Leo begins ululating]

Becky Worley No, ululating in here.

[Leo continues ululating]

Becky Worley This is a ululating-free TWiT.

John C. Dvorak Now you’re getting us in trouble.

Leo Laporte What, are you afraid of Arabs?

John C. Dvorak Somebody’s going to bomb the cottage.

Leo Laporte No, they are kind loving people.

John C. Dvorak Well, you get to know another story; I am trying to move the show along.

Becky Worley Why are you making John uncomfortable? That’s impressive.

Leo Laporte Dell’s profit, what do you think?

John C. Dvorak Dell, I think this is the end of Dell’s fall. I think they are going to snap out of it.

Leo Laporte You think they are going to turn around?

John C. Dvorak Have you seen the new Dell – have you actually seen one of the Dell that’s super flat thin; that’s even thinner than anything [indiscernible] (1:08:24).

Leo Laporte I have one, I own one. The Dell Latitude Z, love it.

John C. Dvorak No, no, the real, the new one that crazy one, that’s not out yet.

Leo Laporte Oh, the Adamo?

John C. Dvorak Yes, the Adamo.

Becky Worley Oh, that was the worst…

Leo Laporte Z is as thin; it’s as thick as a USB port.

John C. Dvorak You have one?

Leo Laporte It’s not here, it’s at home, yes, and it has the, you know I like, it has the inductance charging, so you have a little stand you put it on there, and it has a wireless…

John C. Dvorak And there is more.

Leo Laporte Ultra wide band, you know for four grand, it has the ultrawideband dock…

John C. Dvorak That’s kind of expensive.

Leo Laporte It’s very expensive.

John C. Dvorak Well, this other thing is kind of…

Leo Laporte The Adamo is…

John C. Dvorak Because when you open this thing the thing lifts up, it has got an old fashion style and I can’t see using it in an airplane.

Leo Laporte No, probably not.

Becky Worley Well, Molly made the greatest point about the Adamo; it had the worst timing of any release ever, just as the market completely tanked and people were getting laid off left, right and simultaneously the Adamo came out…

John C. Dvorak Right, and just as the Battle Star Galactica show ended.

Becky Worley That is so true, it was ridiculously expensive.

Leo Laporte Why did they name it after Admiral Adamo?

John C. Dvorak I have no idea, makes no sense.

Leo Laporte I really like the Z; I have to say I really like the Z.

John C. Dvorak What is the Z?

Leo Laporte It’s the Latitude Z; it’s as thin as the Adamo. It’s got a 60-inch screen.

John C. Dvorak Does it open normally?

Leo Laporte Yes. Doesn’t have that sliding away thing.

Becky Worley The elite ones open backwards.

Leo Laporte Right.

John C. Dvorak What?

Becky Worley The standard ones are clam shell and the elite models, they started with the XPS; was when they first did this would open so that it slides out and it’s up like this.

Leo Laporte Yes, you are talking about that weird…

John C. Dvorak Yes, stinks.

Becky Worley Why?

John C. Dvorak Because you can’t use it on an airplane.

Leo Laporte You should fly up front; I think you’d have a better experience.

John C. Dvorak I try to fly upfront but the seats are always hogged by a bunch of people with upgrades.

Becky Worley Is that a computer you take on an airplane?

John C. Dvorak Don’t you take a computer on an airplane?

Becky Worley How much does that thing weigh?

Leo Laporte Mine weighs 4.5 pounds

John C. Dvorak That’s kind of heavy.

Leo Laporte Heavy?

John C. Dvorak Well, I use a 2.5 pound Portégé.

Leo Laporte Oh, you have that little Protégé. Do you like that? Is it too small?

John C. Dvorak No.

Leo Laporte It’s basically a netbook for –

John C. Dvorak But it’s got power.

Leo Laporte For more expense – yeah, it’s got real power. Dell’s quarterly report reported a 54% drop in net income in the third quarter, 15% decline in revenue. I mean it’s not good – but you look at Apple reporting huge $4.7 billion in revenue.

Becky Worley 47%, what was it –

Leo Laporte 47% increase.

Becky Worley Increase, yeah.

Leo Laporte Is that – so what does that mean? Does it mean PCs are not doing as well as Macs? Does it mean that Macs are less economy sensitive? I think that must be what it means.

Becky Worley Where is Dell’s competitive smartphone?

Leo Laporte They’re doing one. They did one.

John C. Dvorak They’re going to China.

Becky Worley I think competitive was the word –

Leo Laporte It looks so ugly. Have you seen their smartphone?

Becky Worley No.

Leo Laporte Oh, God, it’s hideous.

Becky Worley I mean multi-platform has to be huge.

Leo Laporte I’m liking – have you played with the Android? I’m liking the Android.

Becky Worley Yeah, I’ve got –

John C. Dvorak I don’t like the keyboard. I don’t like the keyboard.

Becky Worley It’s sitting in my house…

John C. Dvorak The keyboard’s too flat.

Leo Laporte I’m really liking it. I have to say. And I do think that Google –

Becky Worley Wait, is this the Verizon Droid? Or is this the –

Leo Laporte Yeah, it’s the Droid.

Becky Worley Okay.

Leo Laporte Google is going to win.

John C. Dvorak Who’s been saying that all along?

Leo Laporte You were right. Well, it’s kind of hard to bet against Google, to be honest. But Google is going to win, I’m convinced now, because it’s an open platform. Developers are moving to it. This week we saw two big Apple developers say, enough, it’s too heavy.

Becky Worley App developers.

Leo Laporte It is – it’s six ounces heavier than the iPhone, but it’s solid, so it feels like it’s heavier.

Becky Worley Not Apple developers, iPhone app developers.

Leo Laporte The guy who did the Facebook App for the iPhone.

Becky Worley Right.

Leo Laporte Said, I’m never developing for the iPhone again. He’s made it for the Android and likes it better.

John C. Dvorak Screen’s a little better with the iPhone.

Leo Laporte But I tell you, the really big defection is Rogue Amoeba. Rogue Amoeba is one of Apple’s premier developers. They do really incredible audio software for OSX. For Rogue Amoeba to say, we’re not going to develop for the iPhone anymore. But by the way, this is turning away a lot of money. These iPhone apps make a lot of money. But I can understand why developers are saying, we’ll spend a lot of time, energy and money developing a product. And we don’t know if Apple for bizarre reasons is going to say, sorry, you can’t sell it.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, that’s bad.

Becky Worley I give you a 30% downgrade on voracity when it comes to open source issues because I think your values are so skewed in that department –

Leo Laporte Well, they’re heavily skewed in that department.

Becky Worley That your judgment is about 30% overly –

John C. Dvorak Are you criticizing Leo?

Becky Worley I am. I’ve decided to take my searchlight off of Dvorak and put it on Leo.

Leo Laporte You’re really just a problem. I don’t know what I’m going to do about you –

Becky Worley I don’t know, I’m just – I think it’s an interesting – it’s an interesting point, I’m just saying –

Leo Laporte No, no, I agree with you. I’m being facetious. I totally agree with you. And I think what you’re saying is the average –

Becky Worley That you want it to win, you want –

Leo Laporte Yes, I do. And the average person is going to say, the iPhone, I’m gravitating towards it, it’s got the apps I want, it’s got the –

John C. Dvorak Ah! I broke your password to get into Mint.

Leo Laporte You broke it because you couldn’t get in.

John C. Dvorak No, I got in, I’m in. That’s in.

Leo Laporte No, do you know the email and password? Go ahead, get in.

John C. Dvorak I don’t know but I got the past the first [ph] screen (73:09).

Leo Laporte Tell me what my net worth is. No, you gave it the wrong thing, and it won’t – now it will force me to re-log in.

Becky Worley Oh, this is getting juicy.

Leo Laporte He’s trying to find out my net worth, you little –

John C. Dvorak I know what it is. I already know what your net worth is.

Leo Laporte You do?

John C. Dvorak Yeah, $5.6 million.

Leo Laporte How’d you know that?

John C. Dvorak I found out.

Becky Worley You dog!

Leo Laporte. Dog. I wish I were worth 5.6 – in my dreams.

Becky Worley Wow.

Leo Laporte Rogue Amoeba says it no longer has any plans to release new iPhone applications. The reason is a four-month delay in getting a bug fix release. So they already have an application, Airfoil, which is incredible. They’ve got a bug fix. They sent it to Apple –

John C. Dvorak Oh, yeah, this bug fix thing is a disaster.

Leo Laporte On Android I get updates on some applications like every few days, because there’s no process. It just updates.

Becky Worley Okay, but that’s the difference between turning a Zodiac and turning the Titanic. Don’t you think?

Leo Laporte No.

Becky Worley Don’t you think? When you’re talking about Android apps, the volume has to be so much lower than iPhone apps ¬¬–

Leo Laporte How many Android apps do you think there are?

Becky Worley I have no idea, tell me.

Leo Laporte Take a guess.

John C. Dvorak Take a guess.

Becky Worley This is a – oh, God.

Leo Laporte 12,000.

John C. Dvorak Is that enough for you?

Becky Worley That seems small to me.

Leo Laporte Well, small compared to 100,000.

Becky Worley But that’s my point, it’s a Zodiac compared to the Titanic when you’re looking at the volume –

Leo Laporte Well first of all, there’s no approval process. You can –

John C. Dvorak You want to update, you update. Put it on your own website.

Leo Laporte Right.

John C. Dvorak You can’t do that with Apple.

Leo Laporte Right.

Becky Worley I think that’s a problem because I don’t trust people.

Leo Laporte I tell you, I give you this. On the Droid, for instance, because it has multi-tasking, something Apple has resolutely –

John C. Dvorak So wait a minute, hold on a second, stop. Wait a minute. You just let this comment of hers slide.

Leo Laporte She doesn’t trust people, I know this.

John C. Dvorak That means if you buy something from Microsoft, you don’t – or no matter who you buy from, it has to go through some trusted source? Is that what you’re saying? In other words, everything has to go through Apple?

Leo Laporte Who do you trust more, Google or Apple?

John C. Dvorak No, but she’s saying –

Becky Worley Apple.

John C. Dvorak I have a –

Leo Laporte You’re kidding!

Becky Worley Because – because –

Leo Laporte You’re kidding! You’re crazy!

Becky Worley Because I would rather have a strict parent who’s paying attention than a parent who’s –

Leo Laporte Apple’s not a strict parent.

John C. Dvorak It’s an ogre.

Leo Laporte Apple is – I’ll tell you who Apple is.

Becky Worley Than a parent who is not home.

Leo Laporte Apple is the drunk parent who you don’t know –

John C. Dvorak Abusive.

Leo Laporte They’re abusive. You don’t know if these going to come home and yell at you and say you’re a complete fool, or say I love you, I love you, I love you. That’s who Apple is.

Becky Worley Really?

Leo Laporte Yes, they’re unpredictable. There’s nothing worse than an unpredictable parent.

Becky Worley That’s true. I’m willing to learn. But my perception – because I’m not as inside baseball as you guys – and I think –

Leo Laporte No, I agree with you. We are too inside baseball.

Becky Worley And I think this applies to the general public, is that we trust Apple and we trust Steve.

Leo Laporte No, no one trusts Steve anymore. This is the real truth of it.

Becky Worley Not the general public, they do.

Leo Laporte The general public might but that’s going to – look, one thing I will say, I admit that I have a different perspective. But I think I’m only ahead of the curve. I think the curve will catch up. And I think that the trust level on Apple is going to go down.

Becky Worley True. It can only go down.

Leo Laporte Well, it’s kind of crazy right now. But it’s already – I’m starting to see erosion. I really am. And I think that what’s going to happen – I think Google is the next Apple. And at some point we’ll stop trusting Google as well.

John C. Dvorak I think Google’s the next Microsoft.

Leo Laporte Or maybe they’re the next Microsoft. I agree with you, yeah. They are the next big player. Aren’t they? They’re the guys who are going to take over at this point.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, if they haven’t already.

Becky Worley How are they not already the biggest player? I think –

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Leo Laporte But the trust level is very high for Google. Do you not agree?

Becky Worley I do, I do. But I just think that open apps are an interesting – a departure.

Leo Laporte No, I agree. Consumers don’t say, open, proprietary. They don’t have any clue.

Becky Worley No.

Leo Laporte I agree with you on that.

Becky Worley And I think there’s more room for abuse, is my point, from the – not from Google but from the individual app folks.

Leo Laporte Here’s my point. Developers do care about open, proprietary. Developers do care whether they can get releases out. They do care that Apple takes 30%. They care very much. When – where the developers go, ultimately the users will end up, right? If you have the best developers not writing for the iPhone but writing for Android, Andriod’s going to win.

Becky Worley How does that argument play out for those who believed that Linux was going to take over the world?

Leo Laporte And it didn’t, did it? Linux is rough. It’s not – but I don’t think the best developers go to Linux. They aren’t on Linux.

Becky Worley That was the best platform for developers.

John C. Dvorak Because of all the different distros, I don’t think that’s true.

Leo Laporte Yeah, I’m not sure that that’s true.

Becky Worley Okay, fair enough.

Leo Laporte It’s the best platform for a certain kind of developer, a developer who’s more motivated by ego than money. But I think Google is smart. Google understands that there has to be both.

Becky Worley Google may benefit from being the second player in – second big player in the app market because it seems like Apple in some senses is experiencing an awkward adolescence.

Leo Laporte They are, that’s – maybe – well, that’s a good question. Is it adolescence or senescence?

Becky Worley What does that mean?

John C. Dvorak What? Huh?

Becky Worley Thank you so much for not making me feeling blonde in the room. That’s a polysyllabic word that just went right over my blonde head.

Leo Laporte Senescence, it’s Latin for old age.

John C. Dvorak Oh, there it is on his calendar.

Becky Worley Oh, senescence.

Leo Laporte Come on, you know what senescence is.

John C. Dvorak Hey, I like this, this reader on here.

Becky Worley It’s senescence.

John C. Dvorak This one?

Leo Laporte Oh, you’re – is that Shazam? Oh, that’s the classics. Yeah, that’s from the same guys who do –

Becky Worley It looks like a page turning, like the little –

John C. Dvorak Check it out.

Leo Laporte Yeah, here’s the drawback to that. There’s a very extensive process to making a book compatible with it, so they only have a few books on it. You can’t just download anything.

Becky Worley Oh, that’s cool.

Leo Laporte You know what, the reader on the iPhone that really is the one is Stanza, which Amazon now owns; and eventually I think will become the Kindle app.

So what do you guys think? Now we have three e-book readers. We have Barnes & Noble. We have Nook or the Nook eBook Reader –

John C. Dvorak And the nice one, the Cranny.

Leo Laporte The Cranny? And we have the Kindle. A guy called me on the radio show today, said he didn’t know – he knew about Sony. He didn’t know about Barnes & Noble because Barnes & Noble won’t be out till January.

John C. Dvorak And then we have the upcoming Slate, which apparently is –

Leo Laporte The Apple Slate, which may be delayed according to rumor sites.

John C. Dvorak And then we also have the Microsoft product, which is going to be a dog.

Leo Laporte Microsoft’s doing a – oh, that’s that Gizmodo video that nobody ever confirmed.

John C. Dvorak We don’t know.

Leo Laporte We don’t know, yeah.

Becky Worley You just glossed over the whole tablet thing. We have a delay on an unconfirmed, totally rumored product.

Leo Laporte Yeah, that’s right, a product that was never announced, and now – and then a delay.

John C. Dvorak That doesn’t exist.

Becky Worley Okay, good to know.

John C. Dvorak We’re right on top of it.

Becky Worley I’m glad we’re still based in fact around here.

Leo Laporte This is an example of the Apple distortion field. I mean you can say anything about Apple.

John C. Dvorak You know the Nook is sold out, right?

Becky Worley I can’t get my hands on a review unit.

Leo Laporte The Nook is not available till January 4, it’s not available.

John C. Dvorak I thought it was sold out.

Leo Laporte I think they’re having production problems.

Becky Worley I can’t get my hands on a review unit for Good Morning America.

Leo Laporte Well, that shows you.

John C. Dvorak Well then, there you go.

Leo Laporte And which means they’re going to miss the big Christmas buying season. So that’s not so hot. But remember, Amazon did as well. The Kindle didn’t come out till after Christmas.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, well, next Christmas is good.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

Becky Worley There’s one other that we’re missing, there’s the miBook, an M-I-B-O-O-K; and there’s a third one – a fifth one, that begins with a C.

Leo Laporte Yeah, there’s some third party from strange companies.

Becky Worley Yeah.

Leo Laporte I think that it’s got to be from Sony, Barnes & Noble, Amazon – it’s got to be somebody that can make the deals for content, right?

Becky Worley Well, I think it all goes back to the iTunes model. It’s about the content, stupid.

Leo Laporte It exactly is.

Becky Worley If you don’t have an easy distribution model, nobody gives a rip if it’s open. They want the [ph] Patterson book, they want the Ivanovic (80:02).

Leo Laporte Well, I’m gonna unilaterally knock the Sony out because it doesn’t have wireless. You have to connect it to a computer. They do have a lot of deals. There’s a lot of titles. But you have to download them on a PC and then connect the e-book reader. The Nook will have Barnes & Noble behind it. They claim a million titles because the Nook will support Google’s book scanning efforts. And it’s got wireless. So I think it’s really down to the Kindle and the Nook.

Becky Worley You know what’s funky about the Sony, though? So here’s the company known for its proprietary memory sticks. But they have started the deal where they’re doing the big library loaners through the Sony e-Reader.

Leo Laporte That’s a good deal. That’s smart.

Becky Worley Yeah. So basically, the library buys it.

Leo Laporte That’s interesting.

Becky Worley And you can borrow it all via computer.

Leo Laporte Wow.

Becky Worley And then give it back.

Leo Laporte Do you have to bring the – how does that work?

Becky Worley No. I think you create a digital account. I know they’re doing this with the New York –

John C. Dvorak Oh, yeah, I’ve heard about this. I think this is sketchy.

Leo Laporte Who owns the reader, the library?

Becky Worley No, you own the reader.

John C. Dvorak No you do. You take your reader in load it up at the library and then…

Becky Worley The library owns the eBooks.

Leo Laporte That’s not going to work. That’s absurd.

Becky Worley And you can borrow them.

Leo Laporte Are they free?

Becky Worley Yeah.

John C. Dvorak It’s a library book dude. It’s free.

Leo Laporte I guess, if you are in the library you got to figure out some way to survive in this digital content world, right?

Becky Worley And what if you could do remotely – what if you didn’t have to go to the library?

Leo Laporte Well, that’s the problem.

John C. Dvorak It’s called a download.

Leo Laporte It’s called a download, certainly the library is dis-intermediated, you don’t need them.

Becky Worley Yeah, but again I go back to that top 15%...

John C. Dvorak Here’s what Stanza looks like, that’s the other one.

Leo Laporte Stanza is not as pretty, but it – the underlying technology is good. And you know what that page turn that’s an easy thing to do.

Becky Worley I was going to say…

John C. Dvorak Yeah I know. Well this still turns page, but it’s a flat page and so it [ph] solid rock instead of flip (81:41).

Leo Laporte Right. It’s not as good. No, they did a great job with Classics, that’s a beautiful reader.

Becky Worley What do you think – do I got to do this segment about how the trend of eBooks is affecting people and the obvious stuff is the business story and how many units are selling, what do you think about long term effect on literacy?

Leo Laporte I think it’s positive.

John C. Dvorak You know I think, I’ve always thought – there are lot of the electronic stuff that is going on, so all people don’t write letters anymore…

Leo Laporte They send emails though.

John C. Dvorak But they write a lot more emails than they ever wrote letters and there are a lot of these people, my son for example writes these emails that are as long as Warren Piece, it’s just as huge long emails because he types very fast.

Leo Laporte I think, I’m completely with you, I think that eBooks will have the same effect on literacy.

Becky Worley But is it a digital divide issue?

John C. Dvorak I don’t think so.

Leo Laporte Well, look if you’re going to talk literacy there is a digital divide.

Becky Worley But that’s my point, isn’t it self selecting at that point where if we are talking about increasing the amount that people are reading, if they are – that the lead who can afford an eBook…

Leo Laporte It’s always in the lead who have read, I mean who – it’s only leads that read.

John C. Dvorak 98% of the public of Vietnam is literate. It’s the highest literacy rate in the world.

Becky Worley Wow!

Leo Laporte Why is that do you think?

John C. Dvorak They decided to make it that way, I don’t know. [ph] There’s probably a reason. (82:49) I mean half of the people speak English, it’s a great a place to go.

Leo Laporte They have good public education apparently.

John C. Dvorak Yeah I guess.

Leo Laporte Something that America seems to have turned its back on.

John C. Dvorak No, we don’t want good public education.

Leo Laporte Why not?

John C. Dvorak We want to keep the people dumb. They write if they know too much.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

Becky Worley Aside from the digital divide issues…

John C. Dvorak You are getting the populations too….

Leo Laporte So you are of the Bread and Circuses.

John C. Dvorak I am just saying it, I don’t know, I am not…

Becky Worley Hey what about those writers at your alma mater.

John C. Dvorak What, the five guys?

Becky Worley That took over the something hall at CAL.

John C. Dvorak They took over the wrong building. They took over Wheeler!

Leo Laporte Wait a minute, what happened, this is at University of California Berkeley.

John C. Dvorak They took over, like the auditorium they didn’t go to Sproul, like they used to do it in old days…

Leo Laporte Like – did you see, he almost said like we did.

Becky Worley Like we did.

John C. Dvorak I am not saying anything, I am not…

Leo Laporte I caught him. I knew he and Mario Savio were like this.

Becky Worley They increased the the fee’s at CAL by 33%.

John C. Dvorak For no apparent reason and they won’t cut costs at this joint. They just basically they – professors make two and $300,000 a year, they won’t cut any cost whatsoever and then they are sticking the students with a 30% increase in an economy that’s in the tank. They should burn down the place.

Becky Worley Hasn’t it always been one of the best deals in education, I mean I…

John C. Dvorak Not as of about 20 years ago.

Leo Laporte Yeah, we used it.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, wasn’t it’s 60.

Leo Laporte 600 bucks to go to the University of California.

Becky Worley Trust me, I wanted to be one of the best deals, it’s five miles from my house, my kids aren’t getting any further than that.

John C. Dvorak No, no.

Leo Laporte They are not getting in there.

Leo Laporte This is why it is pure public education.

John C. Dvorak It costs more than a private school now.

Leo Laporte That’s why, I mean Sweden guaranteed college education, and I think that that’s – I worry about our level of innovation, our ability to stay ahead. You know most of students now at colleges, at good schools like Cal are non-American.

Becky Worley Yeah, specially with the…

John C. Dvorak They are mostly Asians actually.

Leo Laporte Well, but a lot of Indians too. And…

John C. Dvorak Mostly Asians. Well, that wouldn’t count, with the Asians in the mix among…

Leo Laporte They are all the same, but I am saying that I think there is a lot of – I am not saying American Chinese or American Indians, I am saying…

John C. Dvorak Yeah, from overseas.

Leo Laporte From overseas, and they are going to go back.

John C. Dvorak Plus that they’ll make the most money. I mean University makes a ton of money off these foreign students because they have to pay all this extra fees, it’s like the money maker.

Leo Laporte So we are educating them, they are going to go back to their countries, and the innovation now is going to happen there. What happens to us?

John C. Dvorak We get screwed, what do you think?

Leo Laporte Okay. But can I still buy an American car?

Becky Worley You just did.

John C. Dvorak You just did, you bought a Ford.

Leo Laporte Thank god, somebody is.

Becky Worley I was just going to say the H1N1….

John C. Dvorak And by the way I would say I was in the car it’s got a nice, it’s got a gorgeous interior, it’s a really nice car, it’s very solidly built, solidly built.

Leo Laporte Doesn’t it feel solid? Yeah.

John C. Dvorak We will see after you take one pothole, we will see. [sounds of cars crashing] It’s a solid car and it’s got a lot of pep.

Leo Laporte Yeah, pep is a good word for it.

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Leo Laporte It’s called a V8 engine and tiny chassis. Let me break in there, we’re going to talk about GoToMyPC real quickly, so I could pay for that American made car. Yeah, actually it’s very affordable, compared to say like a Lexus or a what is it called a Malbach?

Becky Worley Myback.

John C. Dvorak Maybach, or whatever I don’t know what it’s called.

Becky Worley We don’t know what the heck it’s called.

John C. Dvorak Get a Bentley Continental, that’s the car for you, that’s your next car Leo.

Leo Laporte What do you think I am a rap star, what do you think? It’s time to party, I have got Bacardi, I am getting in my Bentley, and I am going to ride, representin’.

John C. Dvorak Not if you could do that with the air backs and you’ve got something.

Leo Laporte Okay, let’s talk a little bit real quickly.

Becky Worley Oh, it’s become so painful.

Leo Laporte Are you mocking me?

John C. Dvorak What you have the – why you have your Zagat Guide on your iPhone set to Las Vegas?

Leo Laporte Why do I have the Zagat Guides on my iPhone set to Las Vegas? Because the last time I used it, I was probably in Vegas. I love the Zagat Guide. That thing is well worth it. You have to pay monthly for them and I have to buy the new – or yearly, I am going to have to buy the new 2010 edition but that’s great.

Have I talked about Audible yet today?

John C. Dvorak No, what about them?

Leo Laporte They are fantastic. They have s special deal right now, free books for you even if you are not an Audible member, no credit card needed, you do not have to join, I have been trying to get Audible to do this for sometime I’m really thrilled they are doing it. They call it – what’s the name of it. The Big Listen. So – now Audible is the leading provider of audio books, I’ve told you about them before. 60,000 titles in every category, fiction, comedy, suspense. I listen all the time in fact, if you had brought my iPhone into the car with you, we’d have started playing automatically, I am listening to a Jerry Pournelle book.

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Leo Laporte Lucifer’s Hammer is great.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, I know that’s a good book.

Leo Laporte It’s a little dated though, it’s funny because you’ve heard Jerry’s…

John C. Dvorak He is not reading it.

Leo Laporte No, no, Larry Niven and Jerry but you hear Jerry’s politics come through.

John C. Dvorak Oh! Yeah, I know that. Yeah.

Leo Laporte And it’s a little dated, like for instance, they guy is in a waiting room, and there is some young girl in there, talking about the hole in the ozone layer, we’ve got to ban spray cans. And he is like, no you idiot, don’t get me started. I mean it’s like – you know she actually was right, but it’s a little later. I don’t know, maybe Jerry would still say she was wrong.

John C. Dvorak He probably would…

Leo Laporte Isn’t it accepted now that the – anyway we won’t go anyway. It’s funny though, it’s a wonderful book. Lucifer’s Hammer, that would be my Audible recommendation, but I’m going to do you one better, I’m going to get you a free book. If you are not a member, you don’t even need a credit card. Now through November 26, go to, and you can thank me later for this one. This is something that gives thanks for on Thursday.

Becky Worley Thanks.

Leo Laporte There are – let’s see how many books you can choose from. That’s a long list. A lot of them public domain because you know they have a hard time getting the publishers to give up their royalties on these, but there are some – there is some great stuff like FlashForward, if you like the TV show, Dune: House Atreides, highly recommended. Pride and Prejudice, A Christmas Carol, Confederacy of Dunces, that’s a great book.

John C. Dvorak Classic.

Leo Laporte Really wonderful. That’s a sad story too, you know the author of that never got it published, he committed suicide.

Becky Worley Kennedy O’Toole (sic) [Toole].

Leo Laporte Yeah, O’Toole (sic) [Toole], yeah and his mom found the manuscript and she went to publisher after publisher got it published and it was – didn’t it win a Pulitzer, I think it won him a Pulitzer.

John C. Dvorak Could be.

Leo Laporte It was a huge success posthumously. Alice in Wonderland, the book I read and as a kid over and over again, it kind of informs all of my political beliefs. I Am Legend, Fahrenheit 451, The Great Gatsby, there is a – boy, there is a bunch of stuff to choose from. Badass, that’s a great book. I want – Badass, it’s the history of badasses through the ages.

John C. Dvorak Just think if it is right up there with Pimp by Iceberg Slim.

Leo Laporte That’s a classic.

John C. Dvorak Of course.

Leo Laporte I am surprised, you know about that. Ricky Ticky Tavi.

Becky Worley Wow!

Leo Laporte Free is Free, the book by Christopher Anderson, Free: A Radical Price. Badass by Ben Thompson. Let me read you a little bit of the – this is free, you can get it for free. A Relentless Onslaught of the Toughest Warlords, Vikings, Samurai, Pirates, Gunfighters, and Military Commanders to Ever Live.

Becky Worley So no Chuck Norris?

Leo Laporte He might be in there. He is a badass. But people like Chandragupta Maurya, the Indian warlord who commanded an army of drunken war elements – I’m sorry elephants…

John C. Dvorak You’ll get letter on this.

Leo Laporte I know, I’m sorry.

Becky Worley I know. He is very progressive and really is…

Leo Laporte I really like people very much and employed an elite detachment of highly trained female bodyguards. Peter Francisco…

Becky Worley No idea.

Leo Laporte Unsung hero of the American Revolution, this powerful giant battled the British with a massive five-foot-long broad sword. Can you imagine? In the revolutionary war, everyones got their muskets and this guy looks like Conan the Barbarian with his five-foot-sword.

Becky Worley Five-foot!

Leo Laporte That’s Badass.

Becky Worley That’s like holding me – toe to head.

Leo Laporte It’s like using you, like using you Becky Worley to cut through the battle. How about – I like this guy’s name, Wolf the Quarrelsome, a mysterious barbarian leader who only appears in history twice – and both times he’s kicking someone’s ass.

Becky Worley Right. A Badass.

Leo Laporte Bhanbhagta Gurung, a fearless Gurkha who won the Victoria Cross by clearing out six Japanese foxholes with nothing more than his teeth, a knife and hand grenades.

Becky Worley Wow!

Leo Laporte Anyway that’s free, all of these are free, go to – but you got to pick one, you can’t get them all, so pick one, this is a way of…

Becky Worley You can get all the Badasses, but one book.

Leo Laporte Yeah, it’s all in one book. Go to, for your chance to listen to an audible book, if you’ve been putting off, you’re saying I don’t want to do the – I just want to hear what they sound like, hear some classics, some great books, you can get it absolutely free and of course if you sign up, we still give you that great deal, where you get two free books if you sign up for the Platinum addition, that will be another – get the free book, then sign up, you get extra books that way and you could get, what was that book I was talking about?

Becky Worley Confederacy of Dunces?

Leo Laporte That’s free – Badass that’s free. Oh, Jerry Pournelle…

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Leo Laporte …Larry Niven.

John C. Dvorak Right.

Leo Laporte That’s not free but you can get it for free if you sign up with, that was – I’m loving this. You know, the story is, Lucifer’s Hammer a giant comet hits the Earth and it’s like what happens and it’s not good.

John C. Dvorak It’s not good.

Leo Laporte It’s not good.

John C. Dvorak It’s not good.

Becky Worley There are two kinds of people, the people who can watch or read the downward spiral stories and those can’t handle them.

Leo Laporte What is the downward spiral?

Becky Worley Like Crash.

Leo Laporte Oh yeah.

Becky Worley Like it’s all are going bad.

Leo Laporte I like those things.

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Leo Laporte What are you looking at, what are you doing?

John C. Dvorak How do you get out of Petaluma in this thing, I finally got out of Vegas by hitting the GPS button, but I want to look to San Francisco restaurants.

Leo Laporte You go to the front page and you pick a town. This is – I love Zagat.

John C. Dvorak I have to say, it’s very well done, it’s very well produced that App. There’s an App for that.

Leo Laporte So you go to Zagat To Go. So we’re on Zagat To Go, the front page, you tap here.

Becky Worley Speaking of which, App Map first salvo.

Leo Laporte What?

Becky Worley Goes to the map.

John C. Dvorak Huh? What?

Becky Worley So Verizon v. AT&T.

Leo Laporte You’re speaking now in tongues or some language I don’t understand.

Becky Worley App Map, you know the ads going back and forth between the – ‘there’s a map for that, there’s an app for that’.

Leo Laporte Oh! AT&T and Verizon, mad at each other. Yes. Search.

Becky Worley Yeah. So they’ve been firing law suits back and forth about and…

Leo Laporte Right. AT&T says ‘you’re misrepresenting our map’.

Becky Worley Right.

Leo Laporte And Verizon says ‘you suck’.

John C. Dvorak Oh! Right. Right.

Becky Worley Right.

John C. Dvorak And both are probably right. Both might be right.

Becky Worley Right.

Leo Laporte This is the main reason to get a DROID is because of the– you don’t have the Zagat book on there though see, you give up the application rich – richness of applications, but a wonderful network…

John C. Dvorak I think the screen is better on the iPhone.

Leo Laporte No, the screen is much better on the DROID.

John C. Dvorak You think so? Oh, by the way your car…

Leo Laporte Yeah.

John C. Dvorak Is that a touch screen that it’s got there? It’s all smudged to crap!

Leo Laporte I know, you know, I keep screen cleaner and a rag in the glove compartment.

Becky Worley The germ count, eww.

Leo Laporte I don’t let anybody use it but me.

Becky Worley Okay.

Leo Laporte You know why it’s smudged to crap? I went to KFC last night.

Becky Worley Really.

Leo Laporte Big mistake. Don’t eat fried food.

John C. Dvorak KFC…

Becky Worley Or movie popcorn.

Leo Laporte Movie popcorn or fried food. I – Henry made me do it.

Becky Worley Oh, well he’s just a kid

Leo Laporte I took him there. He is a nice kid. I took him there, and this doesn’t sound right to me. They said ‘we’re all out of the crispy fried chicken, would you like broiled chicken instead?’

John C. Dvorak That doesn’t sound right.

Leo Laporte It’s Kentucky FRIED…

Becky Worley Oh! No they are under serious pressure to go less fat.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, but there is really – you don’t get a lot of fat with the original frying technique that Kentucky Fried Chicken had, which was invited by some black guy I believe, it was a…

Becky Worley This show is so bad!

John C. Dvorak No, no, this is a fact, I think the guy was the inventor, it was a deep…

Leo Laporte Colonel Sanders is white!

John C. Dvorak It’s was a deep fat fryer, this guy licensed it, it was a high pressure deep fat fryer, so you weren’t frying on a normal deep fat fryer like every restaurant, it was like sealed and then the pressure went up and it created an unusual cooking style, which actually when you pulled the food out…

Leo Laporte There wasn’t a lot of grease on it.

John C. Dvorak It wasn’t all greasy.

Leo Laporte Yeah, no, I think you’re right.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, and I don’t know if they still even use these things.

Leo Laporte Oh, I think they do.

John C. Dvorak Okay, well then that’s good, well then they should…

Leo Laporte I heard an interview an interview with Coolio actually who was talking about this. You know who Coolio is?

Becky Worley Oh yeah, great braids.

Leo Laporte He was saying, it’s okay to eat fried chicken, as long as you drain it.

John C. Dvorak Yeah. Of course.

Leo Laporte And I think it’s – well, there’s some fat in the…

John C. Dvorak There’s a little residual but generally speaking if you put 10 cups of fat into the broiler and you pull out the chicken, there should be almost 10 cups left, which means – so what, you’re not drinking the stuff.

Leo Laporte Right.

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Leo Laporte I’m not going to eat a lot of fried chicken.

John C. Dvorak So it’s a technique…

Leo Laporte Anyway, I got the broiled chicken do not get the Kentucky Broiled Chicken. KBC – F it’s a fail, fail blog, it’s touch, it’s chewy – it’s no good.

Becky Worley I had a bad day the other day and fail blog, turned the whole day around.

Leo Laporte Fail blog is the best site – that and the People at Wal-Mart, that’s is. People at Wal-Mart doesn’t.

Becky Worley People – those are the – that is like the best – that is Jerry Springer for people on the web. It is so great.

Leo Laporte It is.

John C. Dvorak I just got a bunch of crap from these people in the chat room.

Leo Laporte Because you said a black guy invented Kentucky Fried Chicken?

John C. Dvorak Yeah because I mentioned a black man who may have invented the device.

Leo Laporte No, no, you are supposed to be race blind.

John C. Dvorak Well, it just happens to be a character, he might not be black.

Leo Laporte Fail blog has failed (96:00).

Becky Worley

Leo Laporte .org.

Becky Worley Yes.

Leo Laporte And it catalogs failures on the web.

Becky Worley It’s so fantastic.

John C. Dvorak Dan says we jumped the shark.

Becky Worley We did? Hey we got that claim last time the three of us did it.

Leo Laporte Let me tell you something, if the show – if they don’t say, if the chat room doesn’t say, the [ph] Joe Show (96:16) jumped the shark, I figure we’re not going to release it.

Becky Worley Wow! Oh thank god, we’ve hit that metric.

Leo Laporte Look at the pretty princess Starlet makeup kit.

Becky Worley I love fail blog so much.

Leo Laporte That’s it! Like, I was having a bad day because I thought we jumped the blog – jumped the shark and I went to fail blog.

Becky Worley And you feel better.

Leo Laporte Here’s the magic mouse.

Becky Worley I just got mine.

John C. Dvorak Oh let’s see

Leo Laporte Take a look at that.

Becky Worley Really light.

John C. Dvorak I haven’t played with it.

Becky Worley Now the interesting thing about the…

John C. Dvorak It looks like a Dove bar.

Becky Worley It does.

John C. Dvorak It reminds me of the first Microsoft mouse, only it’s a little thinner.

Leo Laporte Yeah, I think Apple doesn’t get mice.

Becky Worley I don’t think it’s fantastic but I love gestures. Once you…

Leo Laporte But it doesn’t even do pinch and squeeze.

Becky Worley It doesn’t do pinch and squeeze, but it does do up-down, it does do side-to-side and interestingly enough they’ve had some trouble with installs, so I had to do a big driver download, like it’s the first time I’ve ever had to do a driver download…

Leo Laporte What? Oh yeah, you need a magic mouse driver, that’s exactly right.

Becky Worley For any product that I’ve really installed on a Mac and it’s so ironic that it’s a Mac product

John C. Dvorak What’s all this goo on the bottom of the thing?

Leo Laporte I had Kentucky Fried Chicken last night, did I mention that?

Becky Worley Oh! It’s everywhere.

John C. Dvorak It’s like liquorish.

Leo Laporte No, you know what – the packaging – did you have this problem with the packaging? I opened it on the show we did an unboxing and there is a sticker across the bottom which you remove and it leaves residue on the bottom of the mouse, which is the last thing you want on the bottom of the mouse is gooey…

Becky Worley Like one of those gummy things?

Leo Laporte Yeah.

Becky Worley You know what it’s amazing in? Is editing tools, it’s great for final cut.

John C. Dvorak It is?

Leo Laporte You can…

Becky Worley Because it goes – you can gesture laterally and it’ll take you along the timeline.

Leo Laporte So…

Becky Worley So like in – what do you use here to record your audio…

John C. Dvorak Well, any mouse should be able to do that, it’s got nothing to do with this mouse.

Becky Worley No, no, no.

Leo Laporte No, no, no, no

Becky Worley You don’t have to…

Leo Laporte You stroke the mouse sideways like that.

Becky Worley You just stroke the surface of the mouse without physically moving it across your desk and it will take you laterally in your timeline.

John C. Dvorak You stroke the mouse?

Leo Laporte Yeah, like that.

Becky Worley There’s smoke coming out of John’s ears for so many reasons right now.

Leo Laporte I love you… You can have it, all the life’s gone out of it.

Becky Worley Oh, sad.

Leo Laporte I think that it’s okay, it feels a little funny in my hand.

Becky Worley I’ll be interested to see how long the batteries last. This is so wrong. I’m so proud Dad, you weren’t here today but it was these two old farts that took it south, not me. Proud. Real proud.

Leo Laporte I’m sorry your Dad missed this one.

Facebook was hit on Tuesday by a well-meeting intruder, that’s always a bad start by a well…

John C. Dvorak A well meaning intruder…

Leo Laporte …meaning intruder, who took over some of the sites online groups as a way of sending a message, the message was “think about the safety in your social media to the same extent you do in your real life.” Thousands of different groups from college alumni groups, to those who support causes, were taken over by an organization called Control Your Info.

Becky Worley Not me, thanks John.

Leo Laporte Facebook said there’s been no hacking and there’s no confidential information at risk, but we’re still investigating situation.

Becky Worley That is weird.

Leo Laporte So if you went to the group – you wouldn’t find the group, you’d find a message, ‘hello, we hereby announce we have officially hijacked your Facebook group, this means we control a certain part of the information about you on Facebook.

John C. Dvorak

We control the horizontal and the vertical.

Leo Laporte Yeah. Name the show.

Becky Worley No idea.

Leo Laporte Outer Limits, baby.

Becky Worley Never even heard of the show!

Leo Laporte Yeah, well that’s because you are young.

John C. Dvorak Do you remember the show, you know Outer Limits – there was a series of these shows they were clones of Twilight Zone but do you remember Way Out?

Leo Laporte Yeah.

John C. Dvorak That was…

Leo Laporte That was actually a clone of a clone. That was a clone of Outer Limits.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, it was a clone of Outer Limits. It was creepy!

Leo Laporte I like those creepy shows.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, Way Out was wow! And I’ve never seen it reprised anywhere.

Leo Laporte That will be fun, I wonder if it’s on YouTube, a lot of stuff like that makes it’s way to YouTube until the rights holders pull it down.

Becky Worley Creepy guy on the wing of the airplane, still one of the scariest things I‘ve ever seen.

Leo Laporte Is that Night Gallery or Twilight Zone?

Becky Worley No, that was Twilight Zone.

John C. Dvorak Shatner.

Becky Worley Oh yeah, that was Shatner!

Leo Laporte Oh shoot, that was going to be my trivia question, who was in the airplane, who was sitting on the plane.

John C. Dvorak We all know.

Becky Worley I wouldn’t have remembered, I just remember that scary bit.

Leo Laporte William Shatner, I think that was one of his very first –

John C. Dvorak My other favorite Shatner one was the one where he was stuck in the restaurant with the little devil machine predicting everything he was going to do. Remember that one?

Leo Laporte No, that sounds great though.

John C. Dvorak It was a great one.

Leo Laporte Oh, that sounds class. Can you buy those on anywhere, iTunes, or anywhere?

Becky Worley I think you can–

Leo Laporte I’d love looking at those old episodes.

John C. Dvorak I don’t know.

Becky Worley I don’t – to be honest, I don’t get people who buy shows. I’ve never bought a DVD in my life.

Leo Laporte Look, she is still stroking the mouse. She just keeps like stroking the mouse. Look at that.

Becky Worley That is liable.

Leo Laporte She just keeps stroking the mouse.

Becky Worley Oh, that she?

Leo Laporte Yeah, not you.

Becky Worley I thought you were referring to me. I stopped stroking the mouse long ago.

Leo Laporte Where is my mouse?

John C. Dvorak This is disgusting to see.

Leo Laporte This is the preference paying for it. She just keeps stroking it.

Becky Worley Side, side, side.

Leo Laporte That’s what Becky likes, is the side, side. But the reason this is –

Becky Worley Stop now.

Leo Laporte Oh you prefer up and down now? This is the reason I don’t like the Microsoft – or the Apple mice is because it doesn’t have two buttons. You have to lift to do a right click, you have to lift your left finger and then click. It’s like – it’s too much work.

John C. Dvorak Dumb.

Leo Laporte It’s just too much work. Moving on, Google Books finally – we’ve got kind of a settlement, a judge has now set February 18 for a hearing on this revised settlement.

Becky Worley I hate to be such a blonde but can you synopsize this whole issue like what’s –

Leo Laporte How much time you got?

Becky Worley Well, synopsize is the key verb–

Leo Laporte I’ll see if I can – John correct me, let me see if I can do this because I’ve been – I actually have been working on this – to see if I can synopsize it. Google would like to scan print books in and have it in its database, searchable, and maybe even offer those books. Of course, immediately – as soon as – and by the way, without getting permission just Google started doing it.

John C. Dvorak Right, this is the key.

Leo Laporte They just started doing it.

John C. Dvorak ‘I think we’re going to scan all the books and then sell them but we will give the publishers a piece of the action.’

Leo Laporte Well, immediately, of course the Authors Guild and the publishers went to Google and said – you know they sued them, they said stop. Google made a deal in which they would put – I think it was $175 million into a clearing house, a rights clearing house, the set up included a way for rights – authors to assert their right to the content. But there were some things other people including the EU complained about, for instance, Google retained the rights to the scanned books.

Becky Worley Is there any DRM on them?

Leo Laporte Essentially, there was because you could only buy them from Google. And that’s a good question, is how they would protect that but I think you’d have to have sort of DRM in it. Google had the rights. Librarians were understandably concerned because it would undermine a free library, the whole notion of a free library. On the other hand, there are people who said, well, look, if Google doesn’t do it, who is going to do it? These books – we’re going to lose these books. Many of them were already falling apart. Some like Geoffrey Nunberg who is the linguist at Stanford here on NPR –

Becky Worley No, he is at Berkeley now.

Leo Laporte Berkeley, that’s right – at NPR, said that you should look at the metadata. This stuff is poorly – being very poorly scanned in. The dates on it, for instance, there is a whole series of books that come out with one year even though they come from a huge variety of years, there is no –

John C. Dvorak Is he right?

Leo Laporte Yeah, there is very bad metadata. Google’s attitude is look, we are scanning it in. We’ll use crowd sourcing at some point to fix it but the point is to get the content in.

John C. Dvorak Well, they are being scanned in by robots.

Leo Laporte Yeah, not so well by robots apparently. The revised – so the settlement really kind of went on the rocks when the U.S. Department of Justice said, look, this is – effectively, this litigation is making copyright law. This is not what we would like to see. We don’t think copyright law should be made by litigation. This changes Section 23. So the DoJ brief really kind of made the – was a cause of the settlement foundering.

So Goggle, the authors and the publishers went back to the negotiation table, made a revised settlement, which they submitted to the judge last week. Under the settlement – I’m sorry, it’s $125 million. I am looking now at some notes here. They agreed to pay $125 million to resolve outstanding claims and establish this independent book rights registry. France, Germany and others objected. So now, the books covered under the settlement only are those published in Australia, Britain, Canada or the U.S. Eh, we just won’t do the international books.

The modified settlement addresses charges that Google would have sole authority over these orphan works, the out of print books whose copyright holders cannot be found. It sets up an independent body, which would be used to try to locate rights holders, and look after their interests. I think that’s a good potential solution.

Rival technology companies, privacy advocates, and consumer watchdog groups according to the AFP and the French and German governments are among those who filed objections to the original settlement and the revised agreement has also come under fire. For instance, the Open Book Alliance, which includes Microsoft, Yahoo! and Amazon, hired Gary Reback, the lawyer.

John C. Dvorak Oh, that guy.

Leo Laporte Yeah, the well known lawyer, who spearheaded the charge against – was it Microsoft, Gary Reback was…?

John C. Dvorak Yeah, I think so.

Leo Laporte Yeah, and the Internet Archive, we tried to Brewster Kahle from the Internet Archive on TWiT at our GOOGLE Show. We’ll continue to try to get him. The Internet Archive maintains a digital library of websites and its own book scanning projects says, ‘still fundamental flaws, despite Google’s effort to spin this deal, it does nothing to promote competition’, in other words let other folks do this, ‘nor does it reform Google’s exclusive access and monopoly hold on the digital database.’ So that’s really going to be the kind of–

Becky Worley So synopsis, this is a cluster in progress.

Leo Laporte You know, I don’t think so. I think this is – I would interpret differently. You’re right. A lot of people interpret it that way. I would interpret this as a process that needs to happen to satisfy all the stakeholders in this, so that we can go forward with some form of preserving these books digitally so they are digitally searchable. Admittedly there is a lot of players in this. And so it looks like a cluster just because there are so many people. But I think that’s how you do it. You propose a settlement. You say – I think what Google is doing is probably the right thing to do, which is to say that we’re just going to go ahead and do it. We’re going to start – sue us! Let’s figure it out. Let’s talk. Let’s negotiate. And I think they seem to be doing that.

John C. Dvorak They can afford – they can afford to do that –

Leo Laporte They can afford it and I think they are doing this in good faith.

John C. Dvorak Well, yeah, there is still this issue of ownership. They are scanning in a lot of public domain works and then claiming that they own these things.

Leo Laporte Yeah, that I don’t understand.

John C. Dvorak Cory Doctorow is the guy to talk to about this.

Leo Laporte Oh, yeah.

John C. Dvorak Because he’s kind of a – the copyright maven.

Leo Laporte We should get him on. I am sure he hates this.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, and he says that if – when a book goes public domain, it’s public domain.

Leo Laporte Right

John C. Dvorak It’s not like –

Leo Laporte It doesn’t revert into – and that’s I think what the DoJ was saying, you can’t – it’s public domain. It’s not yours now because you scanned it.

Becky Worley But you are providing a service by making it accessible.

Leo Laporte The scan.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, but the book, the content is still public domain. So if you take the – essentially, take the public domain scan that Google did and essentially reproduce it as a book that you sell for $1.95…

Leo Laporte Which by the way the Barnes & Noble reader, for instance, might be one of the markets for that; they have a deal with Google.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, or $0.99. Google can’t make a claim on that.

Leo Laporte No. Of course, the…

John C. Dvorak But they claim that they can.

Leo Laporte Well but that, I think this revised settlement does try to address that by saying, all right, we’re going to create a rights group that will look for these people, that will protect their rights, I mean I would have to look at the settlement to see how much – anyway, a judge will be looking at this in January.

John C. Dvorak And by the way, as a derivative work, somebody was mentioning this in the – it’s a derivative work of a public domain book, there’s no such thing.

Leo Laporte Right.

Becky Worley Can I sidebar us on something else?

Leo Laporte Can you – in just a second…?

Becky Worley Yeah.

Leo Laporte Because I have one more ad to do, I just want to tell everybody –

John C. Dvorak Wow, you really, it’s just all ads nowadays.

Leo Laporte Well, you know what, I screwed up. I did an extra ad.

Becky Worley That’s alright, we can handle it.

John C. Dvorak No, that’s okay, go – I was just – knock yourself out.

Becky Worley I’ve got good stuff coming up.

Leo Laporte It’s only four. I mean how many ads. If this were a like a regular TV radio show…

John C. Dvorak Well, then it would be two minutes of content, one minute of advertising.

Leo Laporte Right, so we…

John C. Dvorak That’s what it is. That’s the number.

Leo Laporte So we’re a little bit better than that.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, you’re three minutes of content and a minute of ads.

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All right, sidebar, are you done chewing?

Becky Worley I am done chewing.

John C. Dvorak Are you a user of Carbonite?

Leo Laporte Yes, you know when I started using it, this is actually one of the reason I got into Carbonite. I lost some – I lost 10 Giz Wiz episodes and then we interviewed a guy named Brian Aker who is a MySQL guy on FLOSS. I lost the interview. I accidentally erased it. Actually, Microsoft erased it because I – it’s a Windows Media error. And then we did the interview again and it got erased again.

Becky Worley Oh, that hurts.

Leo Laporte I had to send the guy…

John C. Dvorak The guy must think that you just hate him.

Leo Laporte Exactly, I felt so bad. He is such a nice guy. I sent him a coffee gift basket.

John C. Dvorak For $3 though, right?

Leo Laporte $3 coffee basket? I sent him that and said, I am so sorry, can we do it one more time? We did it one more time. But after that I thought, I’ve got to have a backup strategy. And so – yeah, we back up locally, but we also now backup online. And it’s gigabytes, but as long as it’s on that hard drive, it’s gigabytes so it doesn’t matter, and Carbonite’s always backing up the podcasts, that’s why I haven’t lost a podcast since. Thank you Carbonite. So thank you for asking that, John, because it’s a true story.

Becky Worley I think this is cool and I want to see if you guys think it’s cool., guy used to be…

Leo Laporte Is it illustrations of Massachusetts life?

Becky Worley It is not, shockingly. So they create this Facebook app, and they solicit animators across the planet…

Leo Laporte Oh, this is interesting. Yeah?

Becky Worley …to do a crowd-sourced animation project.

Leo Laporte I love this crowd-source stuff. I love it.

Becky Worley And they give them a free download of Maya, which is a pretty nice tool for animating. You submit your three seconds, four seconds – they’ve got a sort of a wireframe.

John C. Dvorak What’s the name of the website?

Becky Worley They’ve got a wireframe, and they give you sort of a palette, and tell you, okay, now you make these characters move in a way that you think is cool.

Leo Laporte That’s neat.

Becky Worley Animators go out and do it, they submit. And then the community on Facebook votes as to which are the best versions of that three second portions of the short. Then they consolidate all of them and create the first crowd-sourced animation project. It’s airing in theaters, I think it starts this weekend…

Leo Laporte It’s going to be in theaters?

Becky Worley It’s the front end of Planet 51, Sony’s new animation project.

Leo Laporte Oh, I got to see this.

John C. Dvorak Who gets all the money?

Becky Worley Well, it’s done with…

Leo Laporte That’s an interesting question.

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Becky Worley The guy…

Leo Laporte They got 56,000 people involved.

Becky Worley I mean it’s a pretty cool community and there were animators from…

Leo Laporte Anybody in our chat room doing this?

Becky Worley It’s – animation is a pretty cool kind of a sub-group of people. Participants in 101 countries, 51 finalists from 17 different countries, and I think it’s pretty cool. Because how’s a kid from Brazil or Kazakhstan, who can’t come live in the U.S., he gets a free download of Maya whether he wins or not…

Leo Laporte Okay, so who was it founded by?

Becky Worley The guy who started – who was with Sony.

Leo Laporte Yeah, Sony – former Sony Pictures Vice Chairman.

Becky Worley Oh, but get this. So he was in on the deal with Paul Allen when Paul Allen was thinking about selling TechTV to Sony.

Leo Laporte Really, oh he was [ph] yeah, Orlando (01:52:32)?

Becky Worley [ph] Yeah, a year. (01:52:32).

Leo Laporte Oh, my goodness.

Becky Worley So he tells me that – I went down there and I shot this story for GMA about this. Paul Allen flies down to L.A., meets with Sony honchos, and they just have this meeting in the hangar, you know, General Aviation, where Paul Allen has flown his plane down.

Leo Laporte He doesn’t want to leave the hangar.

Becky Worley And Sony’s really interested, but they just can’t quite pull the trigger, you know, sort of that American head of a Japanese company, is this a good risk, risk tolerance issues, TechTV. And they let it die in the vine.

John C. Dvorak Well, this is the best thing that ever happened to you, Leo.

Leo Laporte It is, I – thank you. By the way, our best wishes – for whatever you feel about Paul Allen – I have to admit, I was never a Paul Allen fan – but I understand he’s once again diagnosed with cancer and he’s not doing well.

Becky Worley Yeah.

Leo Laporte So our best wishes to Paul Allen. Because after all, he’s one of the guys who started Microsoft, and a very important person in this industry. He’s not been having a very good year. Charter goes bankrupt, he filed bankruptcy with the company that bought Moxi, and of course Leo hates him. So between all of that, I’m not surprised he’s got cancer.

Becky Worley That’s terrible.

Leo Laporte You know, I blame myself. Because I was the guy who kept saying, I hope you get cancer, Paul Allen.

John C. Dvorak You never did that, this is bogus.

Becky Worley I love when you pretend to be [indiscernible] (01:53:42).

John C. Dvorak You’re like the nicest guy in the world and now you’re trying to be mean…

Leo Laporte I feel bad.

John C. Dvorak …because of the two of us in here who are actually somewhat mean.

Becky Worley Paul Allen paid for my Master’s degree.

Leo Laporte He did? Stanford?

Becky Worley Yup.

Leo Laporte You got a Stanford doctorate for education and that was…

Becky Worley Master’s.

Leo Laporte Master’s, well I’ll make you a doctor; Dr. Worley.

Becky Worley I’ll take it, whatever. Leo wrote one of my recommendation letters, so I owe him for life.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, that and $3.50 will get you a cup of Starbuck’s coffee.

Becky Worley That’s right. Or a coffee pot!

John C. Dvorak Or a coffee – you get the whole coffee pot.

Leo Laporte Coffee pot, three dollah!

Allen as you may remember dropped out of Microsoft because he was diagnosed with Hodgkin’s, remitted. Now he’s been diagnosed with Non-Hodgkin’s Lymphoma, that’s a lot more serious and I don’t know what the prognosis is.

According to a letter written by his sister to Vulcan employees, Paul’s feeling okay, remains upbeat, continues to work, has no plans to change his role at Vulcan. His health comes first, though, we’re sure that nothing intrudes on top of that.

So our best wishes to Paul Allen. I feel like – I met the guy several times, hung out with him. I didn’t get to go to the yacht.

John C. Dvorak One of three yachts.

Leo Laporte There’s three?

Becky Worley I told you my yacht story, right, that my mom told me?

Leo Laporte You went to Paul Allen’s yacht?

Becky Worley No, he docked when – I think it was Bill Gates’ wedding. There was a bunch of Richie Riches that brought their yachts to the harbor on Lanai where Bill Gates got married. And all the yachts were lined up. And apparently, someone else’s yacht was a foot and a half longer than Paul Allen’s. He put it into dry-dock and added three feet.

Leo Laporte All these guys are like that. Jim – the guy who founded Netscape – Jim Clark.

Becky Worley Clark, yeah.

Leo Laporte Famous for the same thing. But in that case it was height. He wanted the tallest yacht you could get that would still be able to fit under the Golden Gate Bridge, so it like has three inches clearance.

Anyway, I didn’t mean to be facetious about Paul’s health and of course we do wish him absolutely the best.

Becky Worley I think it was Chuck Hirschhorn that was the real douchebag when it came to the TechTV…

Leo Laporte He got his, though. I’m glad to say.

Becky Worley What happened with him because he was…

John C. Dvorak I don’t know anything about this guy.

Becky Worley He was a [indiscernible] (01:55:43)…

Leo Laporte He’s the guy who founded G4, and was I think kind of responsible for Comcast buying TechTV. I think it was kind of on his Christmas list. And did the merger, got rid of TechTV effectively. And ran G4 to the ground and shortly thereafter was fired, and I do believe that he’s gone on to worse things in his life, I should find out.

Becky Worley We just [Indiscernible] (1:56:08).

Leo Laporte He called me once...

John C. Dvorak Oh, you guys are just infected with some sort of a negativism.

Leo Laporte … when – when they were having …

Becky Worley Well, you know how it is – it’s all this…

John C. Dvorak I don’t really know how it is.

Leo Laporte When they were having a tough – oh, he is a Chief Creative Officer at Retirement Living TV.

Becky Worley No way.

Leo Laporte So I think that’s kind of fitting.

Becky Worley That’s so great. That’s so great.

Leo Laporte Hey, Chuck I hear you’re retired. You want to come work for me? Just kidding. He called me once, he called me once and he said come on down, we’d love to talk to you. Didn’t offer air fare or nothing. And then I found out that negotiations with Kevin Rose were on the rocks. Kevin – he was trying to get Kevin stick around on the screensavers and I realized this is all a negotiation ploy, he didn’t even offer to fly me down. So, but I decided not to work for Retirement Living TV.

Becky Worley That’s excellent.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

Becky Worley Two things; one …

Leo Laporte This is getting mean, I am sorry.

Becky Worley I know. One thing is …

John C. Dvorak I am against it.

Leo Laporte [Indiscernible] (01:56:57).

John C. Dvorak My motto is, if you have nothing good to say, don’t say anything at all.

Leo Laporte Oh you lie! You are so…

Becky Worley You’re so full of it John.

John C. Dvorak No, really, you start really deconstruct what I have to say and it’s all positive and upbeat.

Becky Worley You know what's funny is…

Leo Laporte You have to deconstruct pretty deep to get there.

Becky Worley If you think about a lot of the tech discussions that happen on the web, it does kind of sound like a bunch of bitchy little girls after a while.

Leo Laporte It is, it’s high-school, it’s all fueled by jealousy.

John C. Dvorak It’s the broadcast media – the show business.

Becky Worley No, no, no I think it’s Silicon Valley. I don’t think it’s us. Like if you think about the CNET, Tech TVers, I think we are very collegial. I think it’s actually down in the Valley when you get into that Sand Hill crowd, they are the ones that scare me.

Leo Laporte I would like to beat Revision3 into the ground but other than that…

Becky Worley But you like them, you’re just lying …

Leo Laporte I do, I love them, I love them.

Becky Worley You like Chowderhead and Kevin.

Leo Laporte They were just up here actually.

John C. Dvorak Who is Chowderhead?

Leo Laporte Jim Louderback.

Becky Worley Louderback.

Leo Laporte We call him Chowderhead. Last story, cell phone don’t ring everyone’s bell – cell phones don’t ring everyone’s bell. There are for some reason in this world 29% of Americans who say I will never get a cell phone.

Becky Worley 29%…

Leo Laporte 29, according to the U.S. census.

John C. Dvorak Good for them.

Leo Laporte Really?

Becky Worley That seem really outdated.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, why should people have a cell phone. Yakking on it all the time, driving around, getting into wrecks, they have to pass laws now because people are on their cell phone endangering the public.

Leo Laporte Will it be…

Becky Worley Is that the positive message?

John C. Dvorak That is the positive message.

Leo Laporte He’s right.

John C. Dvorak I am trying to say I am for public safety.

Leo Laporte Get rid of them. John C. Dvorak is at channeldvorak...

Becky Worley .com

Leo Laporte .com. A great place to go to find out what John’s up to including – his Tech 5, No Agenda, CrankyGeeks. And you are still doing the Tech Grouch?

John C. Dvorak PC Mag – yeah the tech, I don’t do the Tech Grouch, he’s just a guy who looks like me.

Leo Laporte I mean, are you still involved with them?

John C. Dvorak I help him write the material.

Leo Laporte And of course PC Magazine.

John C. Dvorak PC Magazine, and MarketWatch, don’t forget.

Leo Laporte MarketWatch. That Inside Track column still – it’s been…

John C. Dvorak Inside Track is going private.

Leo Laporte …30 years…

John C. Dvorak It’s going private.

Leo Laporte

…that I – that has been the must read is the John C. Dvorak, starting in the back page of InfoWorld and ever since.

John C. Dvorak Now it’s going private, it’s going to have its own website and its going to be…

Leo Laporte When is that going to happen?

John C. Dvorak Well, shortly.

Leo Laporte So we will be able to like read it directly on the web?

John C. Dvorak Yeah, I am going to probably produce it once a week instead of once a week couple weeks.

Leo Laporte That would be great.

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Leo Laporte Because you have more sources, you really do know what’s going on. You don’t tell anybody but you know what’s going on.

Becky Worley He’s always certain and he sometimes right.

Leo Laporte John C. Dvorak.

John C. Dvorak Actually right more often than not.

Leo Laporte Always certain, sometimes right. Except for that thing about the mouse, you were wrong about the mouse.

John C. Dvorak I never said anything except that I said at the time, 1981 or whenever it was, that there was no proof that people wanted to use one of these things. And I stick with that.

Leo Laporte There is still no proof.

John C. Dvorak There is no proof.

Leo Laporte No evidence that anybody would ever want to use a mouse. Becky Worley is the Technology Editor for ABC, you will see her on Good Morning America absolutely all the time.

Becky Worley All Black Friday, all the time.

Leo Laporte You’re going to be doing some remote Black Friday stuff.

Becky Worley Oh my Lord.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

Becky Worley I have got deals like you won’t believe, people.

Leo Laporte That’s going to be great. That’s going to be really great. Anything else you want to plug, is the blog. Do you ever – do you do stuff for that?

Becky Worley No.

Leo Laporte No.

Becky Worley No, I …

John C. Dvorak It’s languishing.

Becky Worley The only thing that I want to plug is that Mass Animation folks. I did a story on them and we’re supposed to air it this weekend and it didn’t air and I feel really bad. So is really cool, good concept.

Leo Laporte Good for you.

Becky Worley But I have no stake in it or anything like that. I just think it’s a good story and I feel beholden.

Leo Laporte How do you feel about the mouse? You think that there people – there’s evidence people won’t used the computer mouse?

John C. Dvorak They want to stroke the mouse.

Leo Laporte Yeah, I think they want to stroke the mouse.

Becky Worley Editing. It’s all about editing. You can’t do it without a mouse.

Leo Laporte Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us. Another TWiT is in the can.

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