The Official TWiT Wiki:Community bulletin board/Archive 2

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User Pages

  • Should all user profile pages follow the same template? If so who want's to propose one? Should it contain an avatar? Theta1594 21:45, 9 January 2009 (PST)
    • I think user profiles are up to each user. There might be a suggested template, but I don't see why that should be mandated. Ccheath 06:58, 10 January 2009 (PST)
    • I concur with Ccheath. A suggested template would be nice but not mandatory --Hapa 11:21, 22 January 2009 (PST)

Semantic MediaWiki

Perhaps this wiki would be a great place to showcase Semantic MediaWiki? Automatic linking of panelists to shows, parameterized searching (eg: all TWiT or MacBreak Weekly Episodes with Merlin Mann in 2007)... there are lots of possibilities. Oh, and it has super-sweet timelines. It's an extension to MediaWiki, so installation effort should be pretty minimal (I'm sure it's gotten better since I've installed it). --Listrophy 14:25, 10 January 2009 (PST)

Shownotes

I noticed that the first show notes have appeared (MC57). Therefore, I think we should figure out how they should be organized. To me, "MC57" is not a very intuitive name. I have come up with a few ideas:

  1. Show notes be named as "Podcast_Name Episode_Number" in the main (article) namespace.
  2. Show notes be subpages of the podcast page (i.e. "Podcast_Name/Episode_Number". However, there is a problem: If we do that (by setting $wgNamespacesWithSubpages[NS_MAIN] = true; in LocalSettings.php), article page titles with a slash (/) in them would be considered subpages, which could cause some problems.
  3. Show notes get their own namespace (Show notes:), with show notes being subpages of a podcast page in that namespace (i.e. "Show notes:Podcast_Name/Episode_Number")

What do people think? -- Imperator3733 17:32, 10 January 2009 (PST)

At first glance I would vote for option 3. It seems fairly easy to implement without introducing serious usability problems. With option 1 there's always the small chance of encountering a naming conflict, so I think that should be avoided. I have a couple of questions about how this is going to be implemented though. Where are these show notes going to be linked from? Are the pages for each podcast going to link to every single show or will they be linked to from elsewhere? Also, if we go for the 3rd option a better name for the namespace would probably be (Episode:) or something along those lines considering that these pages could show summaries of the episode, guest lists, etc. --Steveh 18:04, 10 January 2009 (PST)
Keep it Simple so I'm for option 1 (oh and please, please give this wiki some time to take off before we start with editing rules, deletion templates and other advanced wikipedia stuff :)) Hoffmann 18:12, 10 January 2009 (PST)
I think we should get the rules out of the way early before or it could become quite the chore to reformat everything to make it conform later. It seems like the logical way to do it. --Steveh 18:19, 10 January 2009 (PST)
+1 for option 1. Using slashes is supported but not recommended in MediaWiki, so option 2 probably isn't the best. There's been a lot of thought into why they're not recommended, but I won't go into that here. Option 3 is bad because there is no need for namespaces in this context, and it plays weird with stuff like searching. --listrophy 18:22, 10 January 2009 (PST)
Good points. If we do go with option 1, a strict naming convention would be needed IMHO. I still would like to know where the links to these shownotes are going to go. Are we just going to link recent episodes on the podcasts page and then orphan them after a certain number of episodes? It seems Hoffman and Listrophy have two different methods. --Steveh 18:33, 10 January 2009 (PST)
I linked the recent show notes from the show page eg FLOSS Weekly and made a table overview for all shows FLOSS Weekly Show Notes and liked to that from the show page too. Hoffmann 18:43, 10 January 2009 (PST)
I like the way that's laid out. I would have no problem doing the show notes for every show like that. Perhaps instead of naming that index "FLOSS Weekly Show Notes" it could be something along the lines of "FLOSS Weekly Episodes Guide" seeing as it lists more information then just the show notes. Otherwise it's fantastic. --Steveh 18:56, 10 January 2009 (PST)
I'm fine with ".. Episodes Guide".
The FLOSS Weekly Show Notes page needs a link to FLOSS Weekly! Is that page bot-generated or can someone just make the fix?
Fixed. Added the link to the tables header. I think the FLOSS Show Notes or Episodes Guide (or whatever) should be the model for how show notes are handled from now on. Perhaps just say Episode 1 instead of FLOSS1 under the Show Notes column. --Steveh 19:25, 10 January 2009 (PST)
In the spirit of "Just make the change and it will get reverted if it's bad," I fixed MC57 to redirect to Munchcast 57. --listrophy 18:27, 10 January 2009 (PST)

OFFICIAL NOTE: The official naming scheme is Podcast_Name Episode_Number. In the case of This WEEK in TECH, the Podcast_Name variable has been shortened to TWiT. --listrophy 16:21, 11 January 2009 (PST)

I kinda disagree with shownotes being on the TWiT Wiki for the following reasons.
  1. It's kinda redundant considering that we have a mostly complete set of show notes on twit.tv
  2. This is my main concern, this will conflict with the upcoming XMPP River Leo will be setting up. What I'm worried about is the river being overshadowed.
  3. Most edits will not even be edited in the twit.tv shownotes.
Feel free to agree or disagree with what I just said. --Taylor Karras 11:59, 12 January 2009 (PST)
I think shownotes were one of the main reasons why leo created this wiki. He wants his shows to show up on google and so needs a searchable transcript of the shows. Hoffmann 13:04, 12 January 2009 (PST)
I agree. Plus, during yesterdays TWiT the notes were up incredibly fast. I believe this is the best way to do it. --Steveh 13:14, 12 January 2009 (PST)
I disagree mainly because the upcoming river would be rendered redundant and this is supposed to be a Wiki that's supposed to be all about everything TWiT. What would you want for shownotes, the XMPP River or the TWiT Wiki? --Taylor Karras 00:54, 13 January 2009 (PST)
            • No - show notes are one of the MAIN reasons for this wiki, and it's working really really well so far. Don't worry - the river will just give people another way to contribute. River content will be incorporated into the wiki afterwards. Leo 23:02, 14 January 2009 (PST)

Show notes format

We're all very excited by the potential of this wiki. In the post-production department, we are going to be posting all our formerly private internal production notes here instead. This doesn't have to look the same as our internal notes, as we all think that what you guys are coming up with is much better. But we have to meet a few requirements for each show, and would like to add them to the templates. Perhaps a template guru could help me incorporate these items if possible. I've gone in much greater depth than you probably need below, but I wanted to give you insight into some of our internal processes and the reasoning behind them. These solutions could probably be addressed in a few ways. Thanks!

Show Titles
Show Titles Have Each Word Capitalized
Show titles follow this naming convention (without quotes) --
Security Now 178: Listener Feedback 57
If this whole text could link somewhere prominently in the top right of the wiki to the live show page (to http://twit.tv/sn178 in this case), I think that would be appropriate.
Brief Description (or tagline or log line or teaser)
  • These are 10-17 words long that goes in an area called "Teaser" in both our feeds and on the website. They usually end with "and more" in case we missed something in our description.
  • Daily Giz Wiz: I often write this as a sales pitch as to what this item will be good for, ending with "with the <a href="http://xyz.com">XYZ</a>. So it's like this: "Wrap up your alphabet faster with the compact, three-letter, English <a href"http://xyz.com">XYZ</a>."
    • Note: Instead of using html code for the links, links should be as follows: [http://xyz.com XYZ]. -- Imperator3733 (talk | contribs | sysop | Logs: bdpr) 06:47, 30 January 2009 (PST)
  • FLOSS Weekly: I summarize what the open source software does based on Randal's notes, the content of the show, the project's website, and Wikipedia.
  • Futures in Biotech: I summarizes a description Marc Peletier gives me.
  • Jumping Monkeys: I list the big topics, ending with a comma and "and more."
  • The Tech Guy: I list the big topics in Leo's opening monologue, the guests, possibly the topic of an interesting call, and end with "and your calls."
  • MacBreak Weekly: I list the big topics, ending with a comma and "and more."
  • Munchcast: I list a few of the topics, ending with a comma and "and more."
  • net@nite: I list a few of the topics, ending with a comma and "and more."
  • Security Now: If this is has "Your Questions, Steve's Answers" or "Listener Feedback" in it, I put "Our regular mailbag episode with questions and comments from our listeners." Otherwise, I try to write something that best summarizes what Steve writes about the topic.
  • Roz Rows: Leo writes these.
  • This Week in Law: I list a few of the topics, ending with a comma and "and more."
  • TWiT: I list a few of the topics, ending with a comma and "and more."
  • Windows Weekly: I list a few of the topics, ending with a comma and "and more."
Longer Description
Very open to what this should contain.
Guest(s)
For shows that have guests, I write: "Name Name from Company" and with links for both the person and company if possible. For FLOSS Weekly I always write "for" instead of "from" because usually the person is an advocate of or participant in the open source software, but don't actually work for that company. Linux isn't a company, for instance, although there are companies that use it.
Audible pick section
If it's a weekly show I call it "Audible pick of the week." If it's the Daily Giz Wiz I call it "Audible pick of the day." Tony and I need to mark the time codes of the ads for our clients, so we need to have a field to do that on each section that lists any ad. The preferred way to write this is "The Selected Stories of Philip K. Dick, Vol. 1, Unabridged, By Philip K. Dick, Narrated by Anthony Heald, Malcolm Hillgartner, Paul Michael Garcia, G. Valmont Thomas, Scott Brick
Other ad sections
Tony and I need to list the time codes of all advertisers so the advertisers can quickly go to that time code and know what was said in the show. This is only for the audio version we create in post-production, not the live version.
Production Notes
We also need a section called "Production Notes" where Tony and I can make notes.
Duration (or Length or Runtime or Running Time)
We need a regular place to put this. This is the length of the final produced audio version.
Album Art
It would seem helpful to have each show notes page have a small version of the album art, but I don't that's a requirement.
Screenshot
If someone wants to shoot a screenshot of each show and put it in the top right, that would be fun, but I don't that's a requirement.
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