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Episode 238


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This is TWiT, This WEEK in TECH, episode 238 for March 8, 2010: Lisa Hates Technology.

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Leo Laporte It’s time for TWiT, This WEEK in TECH, the show that covers the technology stories of the day. And we’ve got a great panel with us. As always Kevin Rose is here, fresh from his bungee jump in New Zealand. 14 – no, 43 stories.

Kevin Rose Scariest thing I’ve ever done in my life.

Leo Laporte Wow. We’ll show a video at the end of the show. Everybody can watch you jump off the – it’s not even a bridge, it’s like they suspend something in the air.

Kevin Rose A platform suspended 43 stories in the air. It was pretty nuts.

Leo Laporte Crazy.

Kevin Rose Scared to death.

Leo Laporte Well, we’re glad you made it back. Also with us, from Fox and Friends, Mr. Clayton Morris. Also does that great gadgets – what’s the name of the gadget podcast?

Clayton Morris It’s called Gadgets and Games, it streams live on And thank you so much for having me on, and my apologies, I’m actually in my childhood bedroom right now in my parents’ house. I thought it was appropriate…

Leo Laporte Really? Really?

John C. Dvorak Moved back in, eh?

Clayton Morris I moved back in. Times are tough.

Leo Laporte Wow.

Clayton Morris I’m visiting, I left New York this morning and I’m in my old bedroom, which I didn’t realize until I was sitting in here doing this show, it’s the size of a shoebox.

Leo Laporte Well, it looks like dad’s turned it into a mini-office as well. Unless you have the – were the steel case file cabinets yours?

Clayton Morris No. There’s so much crap in here right now, I’m surprised I found – and I looked through the closet, you see the closet doors back over there, that’s where all my comic books are still stored. And I was looking for my old Sega and my Nintendo NES, I think my mom threw out my NES.

Leo Laporte But you got the comic books, that’s even more valuable!

Clayton Morris I know, that’s all I care about.

Leo Laporte If you got the NES, you’d probably pull it out and start playing Zelda or something, right?

Clayton Morris Yeah, I’d get that out. Dragon Warrior.

Leo Laporte Yeah. Those were the days, huh? John C. Dvorak’s here, when he was a kid, he used to play with rocks. So that’s…

John C. Dvorak Rocks and sticks.

Leo Laporte And sticks, in the mud. Great to have all three of you here. Actually, you’re following in Kevin’s footsteps, Clayton. The last time you were on, Kevin, you were in your parent’s house.

Kevin Rose That’s right. With mom and dad. You gotta do it, you know, you gotta go back to – home.

Leo Laporte Did you ever fix that smoke alarm? [Laughs]

Kevin Rose I know. So many people were complaining that it was beeping nonstop, I’m sorry about that.

Leo Laporte No, it was really funny. It was – you know, with the battery dead thing. And isn’t it – nowadays, when you go home to mom and dad’s – that’s the kind of thing, they go, ‘what? I don’t hear anything.’

Kevin Rose Well, they save chores up for you. I don’t know if you guys know what I’m talking about. When I go back, I have a list of things I have to do for my parents. Fix the computer, there’s a whole slew of things.

Leo Laporte For years, I’d go home and mom would want me to climb into the attic.

Clayton Morris Oh, that’s the worst.

John C. Dvorak She wants you to stay in the attic? Is that what you said? I didn’t hear you.

Leo Laporte Yeah, she said go up in the attic, there’s crap up there you gotta move around, and you know, it was the worst, it was awful.

Kevin Rose Does she lock the door? That’s when you…

John C. Dvorak I think your mom likes me better.

Leo Laporte She does, doesn’t she? I forgot about that. Mom – I was talking to mom yesterday, she says, ‘son, you need to have a special line that I can call in any time. When you’re doing shows.’ I said mom, that’s the last thing I need. I said mom, if you have something to say on a show, send it – text me, and I’ll decide whether to call you. She said, ‘you’ll have to show me how to do that.’ I said okay. She’s – right now, she’s – see, if she had the line, she’d be calling right now.

John C. Dvorak I think it’s funny the way you’ve turned your mom into David Letterman’s mom.

Leo Laporte You know, Letterman wasn’t the first to do that.

Kevin Rose You know, he’s not really a fan of his mom, by the way.

Leo Laporte Really? Like they don’t really like each other?

Kevin Rose Yeah. That’s the real story with that whole thing, is that it was only after a producer had suggested the situation with him doing that that he ended up doing it. He’s not very close with the family.

Leo Laporte Oh, that’s interesting. He’s kind of a bitter, sour kind of a guy.

John C. Dvorak [Laughs] Well, that’s why we like him.

Kevin Rose Well, he doesn’t leave the house. He just listens to shortwave radio in his basement every night. He never leaves the…

Leo Laporte Is that true?

Kevin Rose It is.

John C. Dvorak Just like you used to be, Leo!

Leo Laporte That is what I do, I didn’t know. Maybe I could listen for David. We could talk.

Kevin Rose You guys would dial up and listen to radio Moscow together.

Leo Laporte I used to do that when I was a kid all the time, but I don’t think now, there is this thing called the Internet, you really don’t have to use short wave anymore.

Kevin Rose He literally doesn’t leave the house and he sits inside and he listens to short wave radio. He dials in all sorts of stations because he is such a broadcast aficionado, that’s one of the things, but he is such a loner too and he never leaves even, just never goes outside.

John C. Dvorak I can identify with that.

Leo Laporte What do you do in your basement, John? I can only imagine. Look...

John C. Dvorak It’s got wine.

Leo Laporte You got [indiscernible] (05:36), hey by the way thank you for the tip I went to Costco in Nevada and I stocked up on some great Bordeaux there.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, they were loaded up and there was a couple of people out there who wanted a quick wine tip from Costco. There’s two wines I think are really good deals. There was a 2006 Lucente which is an Italian wine from the Tuscany area which is essentially a Sangivoese, but it’s quite, it’s delicious and then for 19 bucks and then for 19 bucks they are dumping boatloads of the 2006 BV Rutherford Cabernet.

Leo Laporte That’s a good cab, I have had that.

John C. Dvorak It’s absolutely beautiful.

Leo Laporte Yeah, that’s a great cab, 2006.

Clayton Morris Is Costco sponsoring you guys, this is like the third time you guys have talked about Costco.

Leo Laporte You know.

Clayton Morris It’s like every time I’m on the show [indiscernible] (06:17).

John C. Dvorak We are trying to angle for sponsors for Leo, he is running out of money.

Leo Laporte We give a lot of crap away, you know, we just give it away.

Kevin Rose I want to thank Costco for their fantastic selection of car tires.

Leo Laporte I see that on 30 Rock, 30 Rock’s got it figured out. They will do these blatant product things, say, you know they’ll say ‘would anybody like a Snapple?’ right in the middle of the show and then at the end it says promotional consideration provided by Snapple. I got to figure out a way to do that. So John, what happened to your Twitter account? You got hacked, dude.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, but it only lasted for about five minutes because I have a bunch of minions who are producers of No Agenda show and they got on me real quick, in every way they could they told me it was hacked. I didn’t know, I mean there were 200 things hacked, somebody things somebody, they got to one of the base accounts.

Leo Laporte So you didn’t fall for some phishing scam and give somebody your credentials.

John C. Dvorak No I didn’t and the fact is I am fairly aware of those things and, A), and my Twitter account on all my machines, including every machine that I use, is auto load, so it just basically goes on. I don’t really type in anything.

Leo Laporte The only problem is password is 12345. Hmm, that could do it.

John C. Dvorak My password is not a great password, it’s the skeleton key that I, because I didn’t take it too seriously but I changed it when, once I change the spamming stopped. They only got three messages in and I want to thank the people who told about it by the way.

Leo Laporte Told me about it.

Kevin Rose Do you guys get hack attempts on your different accounts because I get those little, when so many people try and hack your Gmail that you get by little notifications to your cellphone?

Leo Laporte No, I get that a lot, yeah.

Kevin Rose I get that all the time, at least three times a week.

Leo Laporte That’s a really good tip if you have a Google account, make sure you tie a SMS cell phone to it, because in some cases it’s the only way you can get it back if you lose it and they are, they are always break in to. My Gmail account is my last name and there is some French guy who keeps trying to get it. He thinks it’s is. He thinks it’s his account. So I get all these password attempt reminders in French. By the way I think I am going to have a Snapple all right now, anybody wants a Snapple, it’s fresh, it’s delicious...

John C. Dvorak We got pops.

Clayton Morris You know its funny. I was doing a podcast that I do with my best friend called The Grizzle Bear Egg Cafe, cheap plug, and we were, we loved Yoo-hoo.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

Clayton Morris We just, we were loving Yoo-hoo and we started talking about Yoo-hoo every episode and finally we got a call form Yoo-hoo and they were interested, and so we started talking about, we haven’t really worked it out yet, but we still started talking about doing advertising. We just started talking about Yoo-hoo and we worked shilling for it, we just talked about it

Leo Laporte I’ve tried and tried and it’s never worked for me. We tried it for a long time with Totino’s Pizza Rolls because I just really wanted Pizza Rolls and then we had a guy inside, who said oh, I will get you this sponsorship, but they just, I didn’t think…

John C. Dvorak We used to get a lot of free food over KNBR.

Leo Laporte Remember that, when you and I did the show, we had Max’s Deli.

John C. Dvorak They were loading up with stuff. By the way isn’t Yahoo - Yoo-hoo what’s the chocolate drink, hasn’t they, didn’t they switch to high fructose corn syrup and kind of ruin the beverage.

Clayton Morris You know what, first of all there is no dairy products in Yoo-hoo at all.

Leo Laporte There is not, it is not milk, it is not chocolate milk.

Clayton Morris No, it’s not, there is no, there is actually no dairy product in Yoo-hoo at all. In fact I went through and we spent some, spent quite a time, spent like an afternoon, one afternoon.

Leo Laporte At the Yoo-hoo plant?

Clayton Morris At the, no I almost wanted to, but David Burn talks about hanging outside the Yoo-hoo plant when, it was back in ‘60s and he was high as a kite, and he wrote a couple of Talking Head songs about that.

Leo Laporte Really?

Clayton Morris I went through the Wikipedia page of Yoo-hoo and they do like Halloween You-hoos. They do like Dracula’s drink. They do all kinds of weird stuff but there is no milk products at all in any Youhu beverage. I don’t know what it is.

Leo Laporte Well, it means it’s healthful.

John C. Dvorak What is it?

Leo Laporte What is it? It’s chocolate flavored something.

John C. Dvorak Well I guess a high fructose corn syrup doesn’t mean that much then.

Leo Laporte Are you really? Is this a No Agenda subject the high fructose corn syrup?

John C. Dvorak No, this is a Dvorak subject. This is a family matter. We don’t use a high fructose anything.

Leo Laporte Really.

John C. Dvorak And…

Leo Laporte Why is that?

John C. Dvorak That’s just the way it is. Because the stuff is if you look at all the research that keeps coming out and then getting pulled back it indicates it’s really bad for your liver.

Leo Laporte Really?

John C. Dvorak Just a nasty problem. It’s just not a good thing to take and I don’t care what anybody thinks, they can send me a memo if they don’t like these comments.

Leo Laporte Well, I guess that’s it for the Snapple endorsement.

Clayton Morris But they don’t use high fructose corn syrup, do they? I mean Kevin, you are a tea guy, is there real tea in Snapple?

Kevin Rose They sometimes have little trace amounts of tea in a lot of these tea drinks.

Leo Laporte As long as we are mentioning companies, I finally went to Samovar which you highly recommended, Kevin, and that is a great place. I really…

Kevin Rose Did you meet with Jesse or no?

Leo Laporte Yeah. I saw – I said hi to Jesse. In fact I am trying to get it so that we can do like a joint diggnation TWiT thing there or something or maybe just you and me talking tea.

Kevin Rose Let’s do it.

Leo Laporte It would be really fun. He is such a nice guy.

Kevin Rose Sure.

Leo Laporte All right, let’s get to some news. We got stories. We got so many stories to talk about. How about the porn detection USB stick?

Kevin Rose Don’t want it.

Leo Laporte Paraben has made a USB stick you could plug into your computer and it’s about $100. If you are a porn investigator or maybe just lost your porn, you plug it into the USB drive of any Windows-based PC and run the porn detector, it searches the hard drive using advanced image analyzing algorithms characterizing images that’s potentially harmful by identifying facial features, flesh tone colors, image backgrounds, body parts, shapes and more, I don’t know what the more would be after that.

John C. Dvorak More.

Leo Laporte More. And more…

Kevin Rose Audio recognition, probably.

Leo Laporte Oh maybe. That sounds like [indiscernible] (12:07).

Kevin Rose [Indiscernible] (12:08) out there.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

Kevin Rose I don’t buy this thing. First of all, it sounds to me like it’s stuff – I could be completely wrong but the way it sounded to me when I saw this earlier this week is that it was recognizing stuff you had stored locally, right.

Leo Laporte Right.

Kevin Rose So who’s storing porn locally?

Leo Laporte I don’t know. Why bother? Right? You just [indiscernible] (12:26).

John C. Dvorak Porn collectors.

Leo Laporte Or if you are collecting it, maybe, yeah.

Clayton Morris Well, that’s true.

John C. Dvorak Well, I think I believe that people up in Canada that do the very great program called SpyCop that looks for really deep – the deep sort of trojans and key collectors, you know, what do they call them keyboard whatever.

Clayton Morris They call them deep throat.

John C. Dvorak So, what’s it called?

Leo Laporte Yeah. This…

Clayton Morris These are called deep throat trojans.

John C. Dvorak Well I’m talking about the keyboard capture programs.

Leo Laporte Oh, the keyloggers, those hardware loggers. Those are very hard to detect, yeah.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, these guys do all that and they came out with a program like this, so it that wasn’t a key. It was just software. And I think it was like three years ago or five years ago, I don’t see how – I don’t know, it never caught on.

Leo Laporte The same company, I’m looking at the website, makes a chat stick and a SIM card seizure. This is digital forensic software. The chat stick scans your computer for chat logs, so this is really for cops who could come in…

Kevin Rose Is it cops or is it parents? It might be like you think your son or daughter is doing some crazy things. And you can buy one of these little sticks and it hopefully gives you peace of mind or something.

Leo Laporte Then stay away from – keep your stick away from my computer. That's all I can say.

Kevin Rose I mean this seems to me. I don’t know. It seems to me weird because if you have got, first of all, kids aren’t well, maybe I am wrong but kids aren’t savvy enough to be deleting all of this stuff. So all you need to do is just go check their browser history. You don’t need to buy some stick.

Leo Laporte I put it in a folder called porn.

John C. Dvorak Yeah. That’s true.

Leo Laporte Come on just look for the porn folder.

Kevin Rose Don’t kids know how to all that hide it browsing now, I mean it’s like [indiscernible] (14:05).

Leo Laporte You knew how to do that, you knew how to do that, didn’t you?

John C. Dvorak You know, Kevin, there is still some issues with certain programs like the IRC for example which depending on what version you are running but one various versions of MIRC will go in and they open up an applications folder that's buried under your documents and settings and you can’t even find it with the search – Microsoft’s search on the operating system. You actually have to go by hand, you have to kind of march all your way into through all these folders to delete the stuff and essentially it logs everything you do.

Kevin Rose Yeah but I don’t think – I don’t know most consumers like aren’t going to use IRC, right. They are just going to go straight to a website, hit play on the video, sit back and watch it.

Leo Laporte They are not going to use MIRC for sure.

John C. Dvorak It’s not that hard.

Leo Laporte So what about this? Apple has now announced that the iPad will be available, we think available for order what is – this week and then will come out April 3rd is now the iPad ship date and I don’t think this is a coincidence. Microsoft announces this week that in fact that video we saw of the courier was real and they are going to ship it at some point, at some unknown time and at some unknown price. It’s – that kind of reminds me when they came out with a Surface announcement, right, when iPhone was announced.

Kevin Rose What’s going on with the Surface? I have never seen a Surface – I’ve seen one in real life.

Leo Laporte Yeah, they have them in Vegas.

John C. Dvorak [indiscernible] (15:24) for a long time.

Leo Laporte Yeah it’s kind of – it’s 10 grand, it’s a table. Although, I have to say that some of the software and technologies did make it into Windows 7, so some of those Surface programs are in Windows 7.

Clayton Morris I mean it was cool, you could like pop bubbles with your finger and then just set your drink down and it’s like, there’s a drink on the table. But other than that like I don’t know what was the real practical application for the Surface.

John C. Dvorak You never watch CNN?

Leo Laporte They do all these –

Clayton Morris [indiscernible] (15:51) service.

Kevin Rose Yeah with all their minority report stuff up on the screen...

Leo Laporte I hate that.

Kevin Rose ..which ends up – it was a novel thing a few years ago and then everyone was sort of scrambling to figure out how could we get these great giant screens that Wolf Blitzer stands in front of and...

Leo Laporte I hate that stuff.

Kevin Rose ...he smacks this and this slides over here and then it ends up becoming more gimmicky than it becomes news disseminating.

Clayton Morris Right.

Kevin Rose You end up finding it more distractive.

Clayton Morris It’s awesome to watch that crash.

Leo Laporte Yeah. You just wait for the blue screen. You know who does all that for them is David Borman, who is their Washington bureau chief but he was our executive producer on the site, remember that John and – ?

John C. Dvorak Yeah, and he worked at – he would came in as a consultant over at TechTV 2 for a while.

Leo Laporte Did he? Yeah. And I saw him at CES and he’s doing that for CNN, he did the holographic...

Kevin Rose That was cool.

Leo Laporte ...correspondent.

Kevin Rose Sorry – that was awesome. The Star Wars holograph?

John C. Dvorak I thought that was the worst of the worst gimmicks.

Leo Laporte David told me – yeah help me Obi-Wan Kenobi. David told me that that wasn’t working minutes before they had to go live, it was like – I think it’s 27-29 cameras all around her and – I mean what did they get? It looked like there was somebody standing?

John C. Dvorak And what was the point?

Leo Laporte Yeah, there was somebody standing in the studio.

John C. Dvorak Just get him a Limo and bring him in. It’s cheaper.

Clayton Morris And it’s not 3D, it was still 2D to us.

Leo Laporte Right.

Kevin Rose Right.

Leo Laporte Maybe to them it was 3D. Anyway...

Clayton Morris They could see it right? I think they couldn’t see it, it was just blue screened in or...

John C. Dvorak Right, yeah.

Leo Laporte Oh yeah, it was like when Soledad was looking at me on the site when I was the [indiscernible] (17:20) virtual reality character, she wasn’t looking at me, she was looking at a painted blue dot on the wall. They put a blue piece of painted strip, they said look at that.

Hey, can you believe Avatar is nominated – by the time you hear this show, you’ll know whether they won or not. Avatar nominated for Best Picture.

Clayton Morris Look, I mean, it was a – first of all, the whole reason they have 10 movies now is because The Dark Knight got bumped out and these sci-fi films weren’t making it in –

Leo Laporte Star Wars never nominated?

Clayton Morris Yeah.

Leo Laporte Now I guess was Titanic must have been nominated, right?

Clayton Morris It won Best Picture, yeah.

Leo Laporte Did it – it won, okay. So Cameron has a –

Clayton Morris Remember, he stood up there and he did his thing –

Leo Laporte Oh yeah, top of the world, yeah.

Clayton Morris Yeah.

John C. Dvorak I think he should have done that again.

Leo Laporte Maybe he will. We’ll find out tonight.

Clayton Morris Well he’s up against his ex-wife.

Leo Laporte Well, now I heard an interview with him about that, and he was kind of miffed, Catherin Bigelow who did The Hurt Locker, is nominated for Best Director as is James Cameron, he said, we were married for two years, 20 years ago, we’ve worked together ever since, she’s much more a collaborator and a colleague than she has ever been my ex-wife.

Clayton Morris But it’s a more entertaining story this way.

Leo Laporte It is it’s a better story.

Clayton Morris It’s like War of the Roses.

Leo Laporte You know – you know that camera is going to hover over both of them.

Clayton Morris Exactly.

Leo Laporte And the winner is –

Clayton Morris [indiscernible] (18:35) story there.

Leo Laporte Yeah. So back to this courier, what? Go ahead, John.

John C. Dvorak No, not nothing – I just wanted to say, that I think they are trying to create drama between the two of them is bogus.

Leo Laporte Yeah, exactly. That’s called television.

John C. Dvorak Yeah the courier is I think is they’re going to roll it out before they even see – I don’t know why Microsoft doesn’t wait and see what the numbers are for the iPad.

Leo Laporte Well I think they will – they don’t know, they’re not going to get it out soon, it’s five by seven, it’s got two screens, left and right and you remember seeing some really cool pictures and video of dragging stuff from one screen to the other according to Engadget and Gizmodo that had this story, it’s going to run on the Tegra 2 which is – and the same OS as on the Zune HD.

John C. Dvorak The Tegra 2 is also supposed to power that little pad out of India called the Adam.

Leo Laporte Tegra is actually – Tegra 2 is actually pretty powerful.

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Leo Laporte It wouldn’t be a bad thing to have something on a Tegra 2 but can they get this down to 499 is a question with two screens, it’s also a little big, it’s got a pen instead of touch. It’s got handwriting –

Kevin Rose Have you actually seen this running? I have a feeling this is vaporware, this is their response is they kind of want to [ph] put (19:46) people and said let people know that hey we have an answer too but...

Leo Laporte Right.

Kevin Rose ...this most likely won’t be out for another couple of years.

Clayton Morris I mean you’re right, Kevin, they had vaporware at CES showing off the HP slate, that was vaporware and yet Steve Ballmer didn’t even know how to use it.

Leo Laporte It’s pretty funny

Clayton Morris I mean he was touching it and he didn’t even – the only thing he could show off was that book app.

Leo Laporte So this is the – this is that video of the – I think the video is pretty compelling actually.

Clayton Morris Yeah, it’s okay. It is compelling but it’s again, I think …..

Leo Laporte It’s fake.

Clayton Morris It’s fake. Right. I think the video is amazing. I think this is what had a lot of people salivating and it’s one of those devices, yeah, if it could do this, that’s great.

Leo Laporte Right. It has that pinch multi-touch, which apparently Apple has a patent on, although interestingly Apple sued HTC, those 20 patents did not include the multi-touch patent. I think even Apple knows that that’s not defensible. But this is cool. I want this. This is more of a computer, has a camera, multi tasks, it’s going to be running Windows 7. What do they call it? Windows Series 7 phone, Windows phone.

Clayton Morris Good luck.

Leo Laporte Yes. That thing.

Kevin Rose Windows 7 Zune HD.

Clayton Morris By the way, did you see that video though? Kevin brings up the point again, but that video that was surfing – rolling around the past few days about the one game, I think Engadget had it, the one game played across all three platforms. You could – you could be using, playing it on a Windows 7 machine with a mouse…

Leo Laporte Oh that’s neat.

Clayton Morris

Stop where you are in the game and pick up your Windows 7 Series mobile series 7 phone, play the game there with touch, finish the game or not, leave off where you are and then jump on Xbox LIVE and play it from where you left off. It’s the first time, it was some Indiana Jones platform game.

Leo Laporte That’s interesting.

Clayton Morris It’s about time.

Leo Laporte Is that enough to sell it? I don’t know. It’s kind of, I mean, all of the – again, none of this is real, although the Gizmodo documents kind of make you think maybe it’s a little closer to reality than – I don’t know.

Clayton Morris I’m not buying these articles that have been floating around too saying that Apple delayed now the launch of the iPad or the release of the iPad because of this.

Leo Laporte No, come on. Apple says bring it on, baby.

John C. Dvorak Well, I don’t think Apple does that either. They just don’t care.

Leo Laporte Right. What do you think of the Apple lawsuits? Did we – I can’t remember if we talked about this last week. I guess we didn’t. Twenty lawsuits against HTC. I feel like Apple is kind of litigating instead of innovating, instead of competing.

Clayton Morris They are going after the little guy.

Leo Laporte Yeah. HTC, no, if they succeed and they keep HTC off the market, that’s going to piss a lot of people off.

Clayton Morris I mean, the reason they are not going after Nokia is because they know that Nokia is holding hand, has a whole handful of patents that they could fire right back…

Leo Laporte Right.

Clayton Morris At Apple if it…

Leo Laporte But they did and that’s exactly what happened. They are going back and they are shooting at each other now.

Clayton Morris Yeah.

Leo Laporte In fact there’s a crank New York Times Bits blog that had a map, let me see if I can find it, of all of the lawsuits in the mobile space. It was the most convoluted diagram, it just shows you – everybody is suing everybody else. It was crazy.

Kevin Rose Doesn’t Palm own the bulk of these patents?

Leo Laporte Do they?

Kevin Rose Like they have a lot of stuff. Palm had this stuff going way back, right, to the original Pilot. It was a bunch of stuff I remember they…

Leo Laporte That’s true. Let’s see if Palm – no Palm’s not in here. We’ve got Apple suing HTC, but Cisco ELAN and let’s see Kodak are suing Apple, but Nokia is suing Apple and Apple is suing Kodak back and Sharp’s getting sued by Research In Motion, Nokia and LG Group …………

Kevin Rose This is TiVo all over again. Remember the DVR wars [indiscernible] (23:36) patents.

Leo Laporte Yeah. It’s crazy.

Clayton Morris Leo, you are suing me, I don’t even know what that’s about.

Leo Laporte Yeah. Well, I don’t know. I just – it was a pro – it was preemptive suit, because I thought you might want to sue me. So I thought I’d sue you.

Clayton Morris Because of touch.

Leo Laporte Well, you touch. That wasn’t a good touch. It was a bad touch. That’s what they tell me.

Did you see that Conan O'Brien added a random woman to his Twitter account?

Clayton Morris Yeah.

Leo Laporte He says, “I have decided to follow someone at random. She likes peanut butter and gummy dinosaurs, Sarah Killen, your life is about to change. And now she’s –

Kevin Rose How many followers does she have now?

Leo Laporte I don’t know, we got to check.

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John C. Dvorak [Indiscernible] (24:14) put her on the recommended list.

Kevin Rose I was clicking refresh on her page and she was going up like hundreds of followers like per second.

Leo Laporte She’s got 15,500 – her Twitter account. Let’s see, wait a minute now, let’s see if we can get her even more followers.

Clayton Morris Yes. See if we can break Conan’s record.

Kevin Rose We should pick another person at random and see if we can overtake that account.

Leo Laporte Oh really!

Clayton Morris I’ve got an idea, try this random guy.

John C. Dvorak That’s a good idea.

Clayton Morris Try Clayton Morris.

Leo Laporte Yeah. No. Nobody’s ever following him. So do you want to pick somebody at random? Let’s do it. Who wants to pick – Kevin, I am going put you in charge. Pick somebody completely random.

Kevin Rose Okay. Completely random. I’ll do a search for something on Twitter and we’ll find our man.

Leo Laporte So, Conan…

John C. Dvorak She had three followers before Conan found her. So you’ve got to have somebody with three followers.

Kevin Rose She was into what – peanut butter or something like that?

Leo Laporte Peanut butter.

Kevin Rose Okay, so what can we search for that we would want [indiscernible] (25:06)?

John C. Dvorak I think the only other person that has three followers is Sebastian Rupley.

Leo Laporte I don’t want to make it be a tech guy. It should be somebody completely random. She’s now got 15,500 followers, she is on 284 lists. She has really become somebody famous, thanks to Conan.

Clayton Morris Yeah. Out of Michigan…

Leo Laporte Yeah. I think it’s because – her name is – or her handle is ‘lovely button.’

Clayton Morris How adorable.

Leo Laporte Is that cute or what?

John C. Dvorak It’s probably a set up. Conan probably owns that one.

Leo Laporte Maybe it is, maybe it is, I don’t know why would he do that?

John C. Dvorak Just to run up another – just to create controversy. Who knows.

Leo Laporte Right.

John C. Dvorak It sounds like a good idea. Why don’t we create a person, put him on Twitter, give him three followers, you, me and Kevin and then boom, let’s do it.

Leo Laporte You know.

John C. Dvorak She likes peanut butter and jelly [indiscernible] (25:52).

Leo Laporte You know we could do, is we could create this account and not tell anybody what it is, but just kind of drop some hints throughout the show and see if people could find and follow it.

Clayton Morris Like an Easter egg hunt.

Leo Laporte Like an Easter egg hunt and then one of those followers would get an Apple iPad.

John C. Dvorak Now you’re talking! There’s nothing like a good gimmick.

Kevin Rose Oh hold on, I think I may have found a user.

Leo Laporte Okay.

Kevin Rose Lisa Tickled Pink says ‘I hate technology.’

Leo Laporte Oh! That’s it. Oh perfect. And her handle is Lisa Tickled Pink?

Kevin Rose And her last Tweet was ‘I hate technology.’

Leo Laporte That sounds like the right person for us…

Kevin Rose She is got two followers.

Leo Laporte Two followers, ladies and gentlemen. All right, let’s see what we can do.

Kevin Rose We even – they even have we give them a handicap.

Leo Laporte But she’s in New Zealand.

Clayton Morris Perfect.

Leo Laporte Do you know her, Kevin?

Kevin Rose I do not know her.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, Kevin what’s up?

Leo Laporte All right.

Clayton Morris Yeah.

Leo Laporte All right, I want everybody who is watching this show right now, I’m going to…

Clayton Morris This is the woman who gave you bot worms.

Kevin Rose Yeah, seriously.

Leo Laporte All right, I’m going to give her three followers. I’m going to follow her right now. She now has three followers.

Kevin Rose She’s got 59 now, 73, she’s going up.

Leo Laporte What? You’re kidding!

Kevin Rose Hit refresh.

Leo Laporte Oh man, all right this is good. So everybody follow Lisa Tickled Pink and –

Clayton Morris She’s163.

Leo Laporte 201. Let’s see how high we can get her before next week’s episode. We’ll check at the end of the episode and see how Lisa Tickled Pink is doing.

Clayton Morris Oh, my god.

Leo Laporte But this is not the iPad one. Because I’d have to – that one would have to be an account that we’d created, so we would know who all people were and stuff. Or should we? Well, we could – I can see who’s following her, I could pick at random from her followers.

John C. Dvorak That’s a good idea.

Leo Laporte All right. So this is the deal. I will pick on – what is the [indiscernible] (27:38)?

Kevin Rose [Indiscernible] (27:38) email notifications turned on.

Leo Laporte Oh! No. Oh! No – I’m sorry Lisa! Oh no!

John C. Dvorak What did you guys do?

Clayton Morris Kevin, you’re going to prison. You know what, in New Zealand, this is a federal offense.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

Kevin Rose I did nothing, you guys are enablers.

Leo Laporte She has – John, just to explain, she has email notifications turned on.

John C. Dvorak Oh gee.

Leo Laporte So she’s going to get an email for each and every one of these new followers.

John C. Dvorak Yes, she gets thousands of email, thanks to you guys.

Leo Laporte Well, so far 1,122.

John C. Dvorak I was against it.

Clayton Morris The best thing is that she’s underage.

Leo Laporte No, she is not, look at…

John C. Dvorak Yes, she is underage. I told you not to do it…

Leo Laporte No, she looks like a very nice lady who hates technology, has Tweeted twice and is really puzzled right about now. She says why, why Lord, what did I do? I really hate technology now!

Clayton Morris She has no idea what’s happening right now.

John C. Dvorak Why am I getting all this email?

Leo Laporte Is this illegal? It feels vaguely wrong.

John C. Dvorak It feels wrong, but I don’t think it’s illegal.

Kevin Rose No, it feels so right.

John C. Dvorak So let’s take a look at the news.

Leo Laporte Let’s take a look at the news when we come back. How about that, John C. Dvorak? I’m going to let you pick the next story, what about that?

John C. Dvorak Okay, it’s going to be the Google gesture search.

Leo Laporte I love that, by the way, I’m using it and I love it. Before we get to that though I want to mention our friends, our good friends at Citrix, the folks who do GoToMeeting, GoToMyPc, they do enterprise, remote access, they do GoToAssist. GoToMeeting is a program we use all the time here at TWiT to save travel. So instead of going to a client across town or flying across the country - I did that and I tell you for a red eye and a one-day meeting and then came back, just exhausting. Instead now, we just say, look, go to, join our meeting, they’ll see my computer. I could show them the PowerPoint, the spread sheets so we can collaborate together. If you go to right now, you can sign up for 30 days of GoToMeeting on unlimited account. That means as many meetings as you want as long as you want, but you know what, every account’s unlimited, $49 a month for as many meetings as you want, as long as you want and that includes free voice and phone teleconferencing., it’s secure, it’s fast, it’s easy to use, and it is a real life saver in business. Please give it a try. We thank them so much for their support of this WEEK in TECH. How is Lisa doing? Let’s just refresh here and see. How much email has poor Lisa [indiscernible] (30:20)…

Clayton Morris She just tweeted – she just tweeted that she loves technology. I’m not sure what that’s about.

Leo Laporte I love it now, she says. I loves it now. Up to 1,621 followers. Thank you all. Those are just the live viewers and of course as people come and listen to the show we could get her – I think we could easily get her over 15,000.

Clayton Morris Yeah, with a campaign like this.

Leo Laporte Man, it’s strong. And one of the – one of the new followers or even the two followers previously, somebody will be picked at random from her followers and win an iPad. You know what, to make it up to Lisa, I’m going to give her an iPad too. Wait a minute, she is in New Zealand. I can just send her one. Yeah, that will work.

John C. Dvorak She might not know how to use it because she hates technology but in theory you can send her one.

Leo Laporte Okay, so that’s…

Clayton Morris And it’d actually be more hilarious if you sent her one of the 3G ones.

Leo Laporte That doesn’t work at all.

John C. Dvorak It doesn’t work in her country at all.

Leo Laporte No, I’ll send her a Wi-Fi – we’ll give away the low end iPad because I think that’s all you need.

Clayton Morris Are you guys going to buy the – here is what I can’t figure out. I can’t decide whether or not I’m because – I know you are going – Leo I know you are going to buy one.

Leo Laporte I’m going to buy all six.

Clayton Morris Yeah. I’m debating whether or not to get the Wi-Fi one or hold out and get the 3G one.

Leo Laporte I’m getting Wi-Fi.

Kevin Rose Or you could wait six months and get the iPad Pro with multitasking and a camera.

Leo Laporte I don’t want that. Do you really think Kevin that that’s – are you – do you think that that’s something needed?

Kevin Rose The camera or the multitasking?

Leo Laporte Both.

Kevin Rose I mean there is leaked rumors that they are coming out with a camera on the back of one of these in the future version…

Leo Laporte No way, no way.

Kevin Rose Yeah, totally. It’s been talked about [indiscernible] (31:52).

Leo Laporte No way.

Kevin Rose Way. You don’t think so?

Leo Laporte What – to what – to hold it up and take a picture with it?

Kevin Rose Oh, I was thinking it was more for video conferencing.

Leo Laporte Well, okay, think about that. Now, what are you going to have to do to video – you are going to have to lean on something, otherwise it’s shooting up your nose.

Kevin Rose That’s true.

John C. Dvorak It’s for the shooting up your nose video conferencing.

Kevin Rose No, it’s fantastic conferencing. People want to see that. I mean I wrote that – I wrote up a piece the same day at the announcement. I said, I don’t really care about that. I mean, the camera because you are going to have to – it’s not a device – it’s a device you don’t want to have to hold out like this the entire time…

Leo Laporte Right.

Kevin Rose …and it would be shooting up your nose if you have it down on a table…

Leo Laporte Right.

Kevin Rose …I mean it’s a [ph] consumption [indiscernible] (32:34)…

John C. Dvorak Flip it over, it would be more fun.

Leo Laporte Huh? Upside down nose?

John C. Dvorak No. No, you never mind.

Leo Laporte So, I – to me, I think that the…

John C. Dvorak Ignore me.

Leo Laporte I am ignoring you right now.

John C. Dvorak I think Kevin may have gotten the humor there.

Kevin Rose I got it, I got it John.

Leo Laporte So you guys – you’re too hip for me.

Kevin Rose Leo, flip the device over, where is the camera pointing?

Leo Laporte At your feet.

John C. Dvorak Hey, what can we say.

Kevin Rose At your porn stick (33:06).

Leo Laporte All right, that’s enough of that.

Kevin Rose [ph] So I thought you said we are on chat relentless (33:16).

Leo Laporte We did that last week. By the way it only took us two clicks.

Clayton Morris Can I tell you I was listening? I was in Germany this past week and I was driving down the Autobahn listening to last week’s episode and it takes a lot to get me to laugh like that. I was laughing because I knew what was about to happen.

Leo Laporte You knew. I didn’t know. I didn’t know. I fell right into it.

Clayton Morris Well, I was on the daily show the other night because I was one of those jackasses that was one of the people doing a segment…

Leo Laporte He did a great – he did a great bit at [ph] Natalie del coty (33:47) was on it, you were on it. Yeah that was a funny bit.

Clayton Morris Yeah, and we know but I mean it’s a concern for kids because kids are on this thing to be honest with you. Look kids are using this thing, they’re on this.

Leo Laporte That’s who’s on this.

Kevin Rose Right. So I knew because we had already been like testing it and playing around with it and within like one or two clicks you are getting some guy doing that and I knew your second click you guys [indiscernible] (34:12)…

Leo Laporte Two clicks to a dick.

John C. Dvorak Hey, sorry.

Leo Laporte Nothing, you missed a great show though John, that’s all I can say.

John C. Dvorak It sounds lewd.

Leo Laporte Very…

John C. Dvorak I’ll have nothing to do with this sort of thing.

Leo Laporte Very, very, very, very, very, very…ABC News says three-month old starves to death while parents spend hours in Internet café, South Korea in shock today after police arrested a couple Wednesday for child neglect. The husband 45, the wife 20 – 41, the wife 25 addicted to online games spend 12 hours a night in Internet cafes. Why do we keep getting stories like this out of Korea? Do they really do this or is there just a…?

John C. Dvorak Can I tell you some of my experiences in Korea? For one thing I don’t think the general speed is necessarily as fast as they claim, but I’ll tell you this, I don’t care what store you go into, the person that’s working in the store is on the computer either doing chat or they are playing some game, everybody in the country is on a computer all the time and they don’t wait on you. They are on – it’s like they roll their eyes when they actually have to take a sale or something because they have to get away from the computer for a minute.

Leo Laporte This is like idiocracy. How long before we are like that in this country?

Clayton Morris It’s not too far behind.

Leo Laporte Yes.

John C. Dvorak They really like it.

Clayton Morris The BBC, and like I said, I was just in Germany this week and I was watching a BBC special on South Korea and their Internet usage, and it’s ground zero, it is the most consumptive country for Internet usage in the world. And they have addiction problems now to the point where they are talking about people being so disconnected from society and they have all kinds of depressive problems for these kids that it’s becoming a cultural issue, in fact there is a new BBC show launching in the next few weeks where they are actually taking two countries and two case studies where they are taking one family from South Korea and they are going to force them to turn off the Internet completely. No internet connection, and they are going to Nigeria and they are teaching them how to use the Internet, they have never touched the internet before, and they are going to see how these two families fare in these two different countries on how they use the Internet. South Korea is the worst.

John C. Dvorak The Nigerian couple is going to make a lot of money.

Leo Laporte What did you say Kevin?

Kevin Rose You’ve heard about the TV shows they have like dedicated to StarCraft, like there are, they see it as like a sport, there is commentary and people watching other people play StarCraft on TV.

Leo Laporte I just got my StarCraft II beta invite…

Kevin Rose Did you…

Leo Laporte I’m so excited, I’m so excited.

Kevin Rose You suck!

Leo Laporte You didn’t get it Kevin?

Kevin Rose No, I didn’t get it.

Leo Laporte Of all people. We can get you one. We can get you one.

Kevin Rose You know people.

Leo Laporte Yes, Get – we need Kevin a StarCraft II invite.

Clayton Morris So you can both be disconnected and not wait on John.

John C. Dvorak Yes, exactly. He doesn’t answer his e-mail anyway.

Leo Laporte I love StarCraft.

John C. Dvorak Already.

Leo Laporte I would say I was a Diablo, I bet you love Diablo too Kevin, right?

Kevin Rose Oh yes.

Leo Laporte Yes. I can’t wait till Diablo II comes out, or III comes out.

Leo Laporte I’m a big fan. So I didn’t actually have a account because I played in [ph] the/eight (37:18) days when it was a single person game, right. Actually StarCraft was online, StarCraft was online.

Clayton Morris Yes, but before that it was a single player, I love StarCraft.

Leo Laporte Yes, single player. Yes, great game, right?

Clayton Morris Yes, the original, is that the game too and I forgive me if – was that the one that had the mighty spafi, do you remember the spafi, it was like a little spaceship, is that the one?

Leo Laporte I don’t know. It was like the weakest of – how do you spell spafi?

Clayton Morris I don’t know. My friend and I wrote a song called the mighty spafi back in the day – back in high school, because it was the weakest ship but it made this little doo doo doo doo doo doo sound effect, and it would get blown up within one hit, and I could have sworn that was from StarCraft…

John C. Dvorak One hit! What kind of a spaceship is that?

Clayton Morris It was extremely agile. That was the benefit of it. It was extremely agile but if you hit it it exploded and that’s why you didn’t want to use it but you could zip around like a mosquito.

Leo Laporte How do you – I’ve go to find out how you…

Kevin Rose Those were star ships, they were for exploring quickly so you …

John C. Dvorak So what’s the next news story we got here?

Leo Laporte Oh, John, how about this one? Marc Andreessen, the guy who created Netscape, I think you are a friend…

John C. Dvorak I’ve heard of him.

Leo Laporte I think you are friends of his, aren’t you Kevin?

Kevin Rose Yes, he sits on our Board.

Leo Laporte Yes, he was in New York city talking to Eric Schoenfeld of TechCrunch about how media companies are handling the digital disruption of the Internet, and he brought up the his advice for [ph] old (38:47) media companies, burn the boats, you got to commit, referring of course to Cortez’s burning of the boats when they arrived in the New World so that basically they couldn’t go home.

Clayton Morris Wasn’t it the Vikings?

John C. Dvorak That wasn’t such a good idea.

Leo Laporte [ph] Turned out/Turn down not (39:06) - well, no. Not so well.

Clayton Morris It’s because they brought malaria with them.

Leo Laporte Do you think that the, old media companies are not committed?

Kevin Rose I’ve met with a lot of media companies when it comes to news, and their strategy going forward…

Leo Laporte Sure because of digg of course.

Kevin Rose …because of digg and I don’t think it’s just burn the boats but it’s also kind of a [ph] changing in the guard (39:30) that needs to take place internally within these organizations, right? Because you have a lot of people that have no idea how to build really compelling good web sites, or web experiences online. So, I mean the New York time is doing a really good jog. I know a bunch of people that run their digital division but it’s still two separate organizations inside…

Leo Laporte Right.

Kevin Rose …this big company.

Leo Laporte In fact there is a…

Kevin Rose I think Andreessen’s just saying get rid of print.

Leo Laporte There is a battle between the print guys who say we got to charge 30 bucks a month for the iPad and subscription to the digital guides, they say, you can’t charge 30 bucks, nobody is going to pay that.

Kevin Rose Right.

Leo Laporte He says, yeah, shut down your print editions. That’s the equivalent of burning the boats. Just shut them down and say – it is true. I think it is true that – and you see this in network television and other places that as long as your business is based on the old way of doing things, you’re just not going to commit to the new way of doing things because it cannibalizes that old business. You have to be willing to say, we’re going to lose the old business. We can’t – we just got to go full speed ahead. But if you’re a publicly held company, I mean it’s going to be a tough thing to do.

Kevin Rose Yeah

Leo Laporte That’s going to be a very tough thing to do.

Kevin Rose That’s not something you can do on your own.

Leo Laporte No

Kevin Rose That’s got board approval and a bunch of other crap that you have to go through --

Leo Laporte Yeah.

John C. Dvorak I have breaking news, breaking news.

Clayton Morris News just in.

John C. Dvorak The girl now has 2,000 followers. Her e-mail is toast.

Clayton Morris Wait, wait. The best part is what time at night is it over there right now?

Leo Laporte Oh, it’s got to be late at night, right.

Kevin Rose It’s three hours --

John C. Dvorak She’s totally, she’s always [indiscernible] (40:56) when she gets up in the morning.

Leo Laporte It’s 1 in the morning, right?

Clayton Morris Nice going, guys.

Kevin Rose We’re three hours ahead.

Leo Laporte I hope she’s got her phone on vibrate. If she’s got an SMS.

Kevin Rose She’d be a nervous wreck if she does for a lot of different reasons.

Leo Laporte How did you find her, Kevin?

Kevin Rose I just a Twitter search for I hate technology because I wanted to, you know...

Leo Laporte Perfect, she hates it now.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, that’s what we do to everyone who hates technology.

Leo Laporte We use technology to bring them down.

John C. Dvorak Make them hate it more.

Leo Laporte This is little 4Chan-y actually. I think we are verging into 4Chan territory.

Kevin Rose No, what they do is so anonymously. This could not have been more public.

Leo Laporte Yeah. Oh, geez.

John C. Dvorak Hey I could use a few more followers, the real Dvorak.

Leo Laporte No, no, see we can’t – we’re not allowed to do it for ourselves.

John C. Dvorak I just did it.

Leo Laporte Mark Zuckerberg, interesting article in the – I don’t know, the mail, Mark Zuckerberg, the founder of Facebook, another friend of yours, Kevin, I apologize for bringing in, but you just know all the bigshots.

John C. Dvorak All Kevin’s friends, he knows everyone.

Leo Laporte This is actually – the Harvard Crimson was planning on writing an article on him in 2004 when he was still, I guess still a Harvard student back then. Apparently according to this article, he used the reporters’ Facebook log-ins to hack into their Crimson accounts to check and see what they were going to write about him.

In the second instance, the magazine claims Zuckerberg hacked into the accounts of rivals at Harvard who accused him of stealing their idea for a social network. There is even quotes of chat dialogs about this, the Winklevoss twins – I love saying the Winklevoss twins, accused Zuckerberg of misleading them about his willingness to help them build their website.

They had a website called I think there was a famous lawsuit and we’ll never know what really happened of course because as this suit was settled, every thing was sealed. Kevin, you didn’t buy it? You thought this was kind of not credible.

Kevin Rose I mean I was reading through the article. It was describing how the hack took place and it just doesn’t even sound like possible. I mean it said that basically Zuckerberg, what he was – he looked up all the accounts, the accounts that he wanted to hack and then he would search to see if they had ever mistyped a password into Facebook. Where would he find that? [Indiscernible] (43:24) and someone mistypes a password, it doesn’t match your [indiscernible] (43:27) back on your site, you don’t save the mistyped password locally or anywhere in a database. It just doesn’t make sense. I just can’t see that happening.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

Clayton Morris But what about – the other side of this was the e-mail. So if they were using an alternative e-mail to sign up and wouldn’t then – he wouldn’t have to use an alternative password, right. I mean he could use the same password and typically back then we weren’t so worried about passwords that we are now that they might – it just might have been the same one.

Leo Laporte Yeah, it could be. That’s been a --

Kevin Rose Nobody really stores passwords in plain text anymore, right.

Leo Laporte That’s true.

Kevin Rose I can’t imagine Facebook would have done that. It would just --

John C. Dvorak Yeah, it does have a dubious aspect too. But there is – it’s a known fact that there is some battle going on between these Harvard kids who supposedly invented the idea.

Leo Laporte Oh, yeah, the Winklevoss twins sued him. And they are good looking twins by the way. There is a picture from – this is from the, the Silicon Alley --

John C. Dvorak I am sure, they had other – being twins, I am sure they had other activities to attend to.

Leo Laporte They were rowers.

John C. Dvorak If that’s what you call it, Leo.

Leo Laporte Oh, stop it, John.

Clayton Morris Calacanis was talking about it last week and, Kevin, I would love to hear your thoughts.

John C. Dvorak Calacanis, no.

Leo Laporte No, no, he thinks the worst of Zuckerberg. He was really – as you pointed out, Clayton, last week he was really dismissive. He said, Zuckerberg was dishonest and untrustworthy and then he sent me the link to this article saying, see, I told you so.

Clayton Morris He has a history of stealing, you know, was his larger point too is that he – this is not – this doesn’t seem like it’s outside of the grounds of that, but I mean –

Kevin Rose Yeah, I don’t know. Every time, I hung out with Mark few times and he’s always just come off as really legit and a nice guy, and I don’t know he didn’t rub me the wrong way ever, that we’ve hung out. I don’t know him that well, but…

John C. Dvorak It’s water under the bridge.

Kevin Rose I don’t know, there’s a lot of people when it comes to ideas really you know there is a ton of people that will come up and give you ideas. Like even at our [ph] designations (45:34) that we do, I occasionally didn’t see change to do that.

Leo Laporte Right, and then they say I did it.

Kevin Rose They say - I get it, and they say well you built this and in reality it’s the person that goes and builds it. Anyone can have an idea you have to execute on that idea and actually go out and make it happen.

Leo Laporte Right

Clayton Morris And let me add to that, the one of the things you run into is that most ideas are kind of in the Ether and it’s because of whatever like is on tel – I mean there is a combination of what’s on television, the time of day, the time of year, other ideas that are out there because when I am working for some magazine and I’ll get some, but actually I will – I have got this idea I got to tell you about but you have to sign this with that. I said I’m not again signing anything because whatever idea you have I guarantee there’s five other guys working on it and you see that, the whole bunch of the exact same idea hits the market at the exact same time, from all kinds of different dimensions or directions I am sorry, and it’s just the idea, these ideas are out there and they’re always synchronized.

Kevin Rose Yeah, this is the reason that venture capitalists, if you ever go to raise money or to pitch them on an idea, they will never sign an NDA. They just won’t, they say we don’t sign NDAs because we hear so many different ideas, we probably already heard it and you’re going to come in try and sue us and, they don’t sign them.

Leo Laporte It was the reason in tech TV that we had a special person who entertained pitches for TV shows, we weren’t allowed to entertain them. And I have the same policy here, people pitch me on new Podcast ideas all the time, I said I don’t want to hear it because I might come up with the same idea and I don’t want you to come back and say ‘oh it was my idea.’ There’s only a few ideas there.

Kevin Rose It’s a serious problem.

Leo Laporte So, here is the...

John C. Dvorak Oh I am sorry, so you - back on Tech TV days, you didn’t field pitches for –

Leo Laporte They had a special person who was I think in one of the legal councils, whose - not for stories, for shows. So, if you were to pitch a show to Tech TV, you would pitch it to this one person. And nobody, like to program director, nobody else was allowed to hear pitches because – and I certainly wasn’t, because they didn’t want a lawsuit.

So, this is now and by the way this is from, how Facebook was founded. I mean I don’t know you could fake an IM exchange. There’s no way to verify that IM exchange was real, but this is the IM exchange they published. Zuckerberg says ‘so you know how I am making that data site - dating site. I wonder how similar that is to the Facebook thing because they are probably going to be released about the same time’, and here is that kind of smoking gun, ‘unless I, screw - I’ll use a different word - the dating site people over and quit on them right before I told them I’ve done it’. Angela, who is the other person says, ‘ha-ha’. ‘Like I don’t think people would sign up for the Facebook thing if they knew it was for dating’. I mean when you read it, it’s like yeah that could be real, but how do you verify it? And I think that when you are on top, people do aim for you.

That just puts you in the – did you, John, on No Agenda cover the fact that the arctic sea bed methane stores are destabilizing.

John C. Dvorak That methane story stinks.

Leo Laporte Because you know I could see the whole climate thing flipping on Adam. Because I know he is a debunker now. But this will be a…

John C. Dvorak He’s a word is skeptic, the word is skeptic.

Leo Laporte Skeptic – but would be a great conspiracy theory. He could say, because apparently the sea floor at the Arctic holds vast stores of frozen methane which is now starting to vent. It’s a much worse greenhouse gas and it could cause catastrophic, overnight climate change.

Clayton Morris That’s like all the cow flatulence. Now we’ve got the cow flatulence.

John C. Dvorak Buy land in Canada ladies and gentleman.

Leo Laporte Well somewhere high in Canada. Because you guys are going to – we are going to all, flooding and - this is from a...

John C. Dvorak Oh, it’s going to be terrible.

Leo Laporte This is from an article in the It’s a study of the university.

John C. Dvorak No, we did not discuss this.

Leo Laporte Well, you got to bring this up, University of Alaska Fairbanks scientists.

John C. Dvorak We have actually avoided the climate gate – the climate stuff for a while.

Leo Laporte Really? Alright

Clayton Morris I thought you guys would have been all over that. The ice they said because of this area was so impermeable that they never thought they would have to worry about.

Leo Laporte Right it’s stuck there, but now it’s melting.

Kevin Rose What is the methane doing there?

John C. Dvorak It has a timeshare

Kevin Rose I am just asking, where does all this methane in this ice come from?

Leo Laporte I don’t think there is any dispute that it’s there.

Kevin Rose Was it a bunch of car - were they sequestering cow farts or I mean what was the deal?

Leo Laporte They were storing it like the seed storage unit up in the Arctic.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, Bill Gates has got something to do with that. I’m telling you, they’re trying to kill us all. That’s what it is.

Leo Laporte Doesn’t say where the methane came from. Merely that it’s there and it’s leaking.

Clayton Morris Can I ask you guys a question? Leo, you brought this up about the old media thing. And I want to talk about it, because I think it’s so fascinating, this idea and these sort of future platforms. And we were like a month away now from the iPad. And I’m curious, Kevin, you said you’ve been talking to a number of these media companies about their platforms and moving forward. How – have they addressed, or that they talking about the tablet space? I mean how are they addressing that? Because I just see this wide open area right now, The New Yorker’s going to have one app that’s going to look completely different and people are going to pay $12 or whatever they’re going to pay. And then somebody else is going to have a $60 app. And I’m just curious where this marketplace is unfolding over the next month?

Leo Laporte It strikes me that –

Kevin Rose Yeah, I haven’t had a lot of meetings since the iPad announcement. The stuff that I’ve read is that there’s a bunch of magazines that are preparing their digital versions for the iPad. So you can subscribe –

Leo Laporte And newspapers. Yeah, I’m sure The Times will have an app.

Kevin Rose It’s weird, like when you think about subscribing – okay, do I subscribe to The Times and get like an ad-free version? Or do I just go to

Leo Laporte Well maybe they’d shut that down. But see – it seems to me this is kind of a step backwards from the free and open web to these silos again, these kind of closed things. I love the iPad and I’ll buy one and I’ll probably subscribe to all those things.

John C. Dvorak But that’s you, Leo.

Leo Laporte Yeah, but it’s just really – well, no, I think a lot of people will. But is this really the right direction to go in? It’s kind of contrary to where we were going.

Kevin Rose Yeah, I’m just working on a piece that will probably be published tomorrow for about why I’m – it took me a little while to figure out how I wanted this device, where in this – my sort of space I’m going to see this device. And I found myself sitting in bed the other night, and I didn’t wanna – I was getting ready for Fox and Friends, and I just didn’t want to browse all the headlines and go through my feed sitting there with my laptop propped up there. And I also didn’t want to then hop up and jump on a desktop. I wanted a simple device that I could just grab and I could just skim. Because I don’t like being in Google Reader and just have – it feels like an industrial way of consuming news. And to have this device where I could see my mom sitting there in her recliner on the couch at home jumping on this device, just grab a few headlines, see what’s going on.

John C. Dvorak If she jumps on it, it’s going to break.

Kevin Rose It’s very sturdy. And she could also use it as a coaster or a cheese plate.

Leo Laporte You know what she could use it as, and I think that actually this might sell a few of them, is it makes a pretty good digital –

John C. Dvorak Cheese plate idea’s good.

Leo Laporte It makes a pretty good digital photo frame.

Kevin Rose Yeah.

John C. Dvorak There you go. That’s what they’re going to end up as.

Leo Laporte I did verify though that you could use a cheese deck to –

John C. Dvorak Did you really? Now is this just a fact?

Leo Laporte This is a fact.

Kevin Rose By accident.

Leo Laporte No, intentionally. There was a story that Koreans were using sausages because it’s – do you remember that? Because it was –

Kevin Rose Yeah, the frozen. Yeah, they were using frozen, because they didn’t want their – their fingers were frozen, so they were using these –

John C. Dvorak Oh okay. I just want to make sure it’s the right kind of sausage we’re talking about.

Leo Laporte Like Jimmy Dean links. And yeah, it was too cold. They didn’t want to take their gloves off, so they’re sitting in the subway in Korea and they’re using sausages on their iPhones, because it’s capacitance, so you need – I don’t know what, you need something meaty, I don’t know. So I didn’t buy it, I thought that can’t be.

John C. Dvorak It would get all grimy!

Kevin Rose Yeah, it’s so nasty.

Leo Laporte Oh yeah, but I didn’t –

Kevin Rose A Slim Jim on the front of your iPad.

Leo Laporte I didn’t think it would work, so –

John C. Dvorak Have you tired licking the thing to see what would happen?

Leo Laporte Yeah, let me try.

Kevin Rose Try and unlock your iPhone right now with your tongue there. I got to see this.

Leo Laporte All right.

Clayton Morris So you – John, I just – John just provokes.

Leo Laporte All right. So –

Kevin Rose Why don’t you trying licking a socket to see if we are already –

Leo Laporte You want a close up? Okay.

Kevin Rose Yeah.

John C. Dvorak We don’t want to really see a close up.

Leo Laporte Well, I won’t touch it.

Kevin Rose That’s part of the HTC patent, lick to unlock.

Leo Laporte No, it doesn’t work.

Kevin Rose It’s not working.

John C. Dvorak No, it did, it worked. Now just – now dial a number with your tongue.

Leo Laporte I can’t it – well, all right.

Kevin Rose Call me.

Clayton Morris So many germs on that thing.

John C. Dvorak I just want to tell the chat room that we’ll be going overtime, and –

Leo Laporte So the deal is, I thought – well, let’s try it, but we didn’t have any sausages in the fridge. But we had cheese sticks. And it works.

Kevin Rose Yeah, that’s the best marketing. This episode is brought to you by Polly-O String Cheese.


Leo Laporte If it’s too cold to use your iPhone.

John C. Dvorak Well, that’s fascinating, Leo.

Leo Laporte [Indiscernible] (55:03).

You wrote an article in PC Magazine this week, John, in which you think that Microsoft is behind Google’s woes in Italy.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, and I want to – I have a story that was kind of left out of that, because nobody wants to talk about the situation. Microsoft is seriously in Italy. They’re – I mean I had – Italy’s the only country that never licensed the Dvorak columns from PC Magazine in its heyday. And that was because the Microsoft Italy guy basically just told him they can’t run my stuff there because I’m not amenable.

Leo Laporte Wow.

John C. Dvorak You know, I’m not playing ball.

Leo Laporte You were on Ballmer’s enemies list, as I remember.

John C. Dvorak Well, I don’t know if I was really on an enemies list, but I was definitely not going to be in Italy. And Microsoft – there is a history of Microsoft in Italy, I mean if you – that is extremely – their tentacles are really strong in there, so now we are having this crazy stuff happening. And so I said, well, you know, maybe it’s Microsoft causing trouble, because they have a lot of influence in Italy.

Leo Laporte So just to recap, three Google executives were indicted for privacy violations in a video that was on YouTube for – no, I’m sorry, Google Video for a couple of months. They pulled it down when the Italian police told them to, but the Italian judge felt that they should have noticed and pulled it down sooner.

And you think Microsoft put them up to it?

John C. Dvorak Yeah I do. I don’t have any proof whatsoever. I’m just going by anecdotal information and the fact that they have a lot of influence in Italy and they throw their weight around when they can. And Microsoft is on the attack against Google right now in a big way. Because I don’t think Microsoft appreciated Google jumping on the bandwagon against Microsoft and the EU.

Leo Laporte Right.

John C. Dvorak I mean, I don’t blame them in some ways. And by the way Schmidt and Microsoft have always had these little battles between the two companies, because when he was at Sun, obviously there was a – you had Scott McNealy, who is a out-and-out Microsoft basher. And so you have a lot of history here. And it just seems to me that this wouldn’t have happened if it wasn’t from Microsoft. So I’m just putting two and two together, it’s just one of my subjective columns where I suggest this or that may be the case. I’m not being insincere about this.

Leo Laporte No, no. This isn’t link bait, you’re saying. This is something you think might actually be the case?

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Leo Laporte Yeah. Oh, that’s interesting thought. Microsoft – remember, there’s a history of Microsoft being kind of this way. Remember ‘Windows ain’t done till LOTUS won’t run.’

John C. Dvorak Right. And I’m surprised actually they’re not – I mean I think they still are that way, but I don’t think they’re as aggressive as they use to be.

But the situation in Europe right now, they’re picking on American companies generally speaking because they can gouge us for a certain amount – for huge fines. And Microsoft got stung big time. And both Sun and to a lesser extent Google were in on the deal, kind of snickering in the background. So Microsoft, the shoe’s on the other foot now, so they’re doing whatever they can to harass Google. And we’ll see where it ends up. I mean this whole thing is becoming hilarious.

Kevin Rose I got a story that’s not – that is verifiable and not conspiracy theory, and really annoying about DRM and Ubisoft. But we’ll talk about that in a second.

Right now I’d like to mention our friend in Folks who do those great audio books. And you can get two free books right now if you go to, you’ll sign up for the platinum account, that’s it. You know, you can get audible books a la carte, one-by-one. A lot of people do that, in fact you see some great deals, this is House Rules is 9.95 right now, and they always have half-off sales and stuff.

But if you are a regular audible reader, subscription is the best deal. I am a platinum subscriber, that’s two books a week – or sorry, a month. I wish they had two books a week, I probably could read it.

And if you sign up right now, the first two books are yours free, and you get to keep them even if you cancel at any time. So they basically can give you two books here. Audible is a great kind of bookstore of audio selection, 70,000 titles. I read them all the time. I’m reading – oh, I just love this book. We’ve recommended it before, but I’m going to recommend it again – Daniel Suarez’s Daemon. Have any of you guys read this book? Oh, this is good.

So the story is – I don’t want to give away too much, because it’s full of twists – but the story is essentially a kind of John Romero type, famous, famous game programmer dies. But leaves behind a Daemon, a computer program that is demonic. And it is a great murder mystery story. Can you have a murder mystery where the guy who’s doing the murders is dead? Yes, you can. And Daniel Suarez knows tech. So this isn’t one of those books where you read, it’s got a lot of bogus technical jargon and stuff. It’s clear the guy is a complete and utter geek. It’s as if one of us wrote it, which makes it so much fun. Let me play a little bit of.

This is Jeff Gurner reading Daniel Suarez’s Daemon. This is right at the beginning.

[Audio clip]

Leo Laporte When the Hummer, the remote control Hummer goes crazy, then is gets exciting. I tell you, this is one – really, really one of those great page turners, with a lot

Kevin Rose It’s like Carrie.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

Kevin Rose No, not Carrie. What am I saying. What’s the car one?

Leo Laporte Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The bulldozer. Don’t worry, the chatroom will tell us.

Kevin Rose The ghost in the machine or something like that?

Leo Laporte No, no. You’re talking about the Stephen King book with the car.

Kevin Rose Yeah, I wanted Stephen King, because – well I have to admit, a few years ago, whenever Audible first started –

Leo Laporte Killdozer.

Kevin Rose Killdozer?

Leo Laporte No, that’s not it.

Kevin Rose It was my first audible book I ever bought a few years ago from TWIT. And I’ve been a subscriber ever since. And I’m reading Under The Dome right now.

Leo Laporte Yeah, how’s that?

Kevin Rose Oh, it’s fantastic Roul Esperza. And someone just in the chat room mentioned it as well. It’s – you get your money’s worth out of that puppy too, Under The Dome. I think it’s like –

Leo Laporte Thirty-four and a half hours.

Kevin Rose Right, I mean you will age an entire year by the time you’re done listening to this book. But it’s fantastic.

Leo Laporte Now wait till you get to the end, because – who was reading it? I think [indiscernible] (62:03) or somebody said, ‘oh man, the ending’s kind of weak.’

Kevin Rose Oh, really?

Leo Laporte Well, maybe not.

Clayton Morris Nice way to learn it.


Leo Laporte The first 34 hours are great, the last half hour, hmm.

Kevin Rose Right.

Leo Laporte Not so hot. But you know, it’s a great journey and that’s the – this would be a good one, too.

Clayton Morris Journey. That’s what people say to people at graduation.

Leo Laporte Right.

Clayton Morris ‘It’s the journey that you want to remember, not [indiscernible] (62:33).’

John C. Dvorak Some of the people in the chatroom are denying the weak ending.

Leo Laporte Okay, good. All right, good. Paul didn’t like the ending. But you know what –

Kevin Rose The Times gave it a great, great review.

John C. Dvorak And it was Paul Thurrott that said that.

Leo Laporte Yeah, I cannot wait to read it.

Kevin Rose It has 4.15 stars out of 1,600 ratings.

Leo Laporte That’s pretty good.

Kevin Rose Out of a possible five stars. That’s an excellent rating.

Leo Laporte That’s fewer followers though than Lisa.

Kevin Rose Right. Let’s go see where it’s at right now.

Leo Laporte Let’s check real quickly. But anyway,, sign up today and get your free books. We’re giving you a couple of great ones, but there’s tons to choose from., and we thank you so much for your support of this WEEK in TECH.

Lisa Tickled Pink, can I have a little drum roll please as the tote board goes round and round, 2,131 followers, let’s keep those followers going. Remember, one of you, you will win an Apple iPad and…

John C. Dvorak How are you going to figure out who wins?

Leo Laporte I’m just going to look at her list of followers and I’m going to pick at random from that list of followers.

Kevin Rose There are programs that – Calacanis [indiscernible] (63:33) a person.

Leo Laporte I’ll have to get that from Jason.

John C. Dvorak I think you should – Leo, you should give her the iPad.

Leo Laporte No, I am. You weren’t paying attention. She’s getting one and one of our followers is getting one. And Lisa’s in New Zealand, so she’s going to be one of the few New Zealanders who will actually have an iPad.

John C. Dvorak And they’ll probably grab it at customs.

Kevin Rose And you know what would be great, too, you could also be like [ph] Doug Lu Allen (63:52). Because if she doesn’t know – you pick a guy on her list and she’s single, and she hates technology, and then you bring these two people together, they end up getting married.


John C. Dvorak Right, there’s a guy from FOX.

Leo Laporte That’s how Rupert would do it.

John C. Dvorak FOX!

Kevin Rose And then we’ll put – then we’ll put him on an island, and have ‘em duke it out.

Leo Laporte And by the way, we’re rising to the top of Digg. So quickly go to Digg and Digg this story. And poor Lisa, her picture is now on the cover – on the front – she’s going to be – this is – Lisa, you’re queen for a day. Let me just say, you’re queen for a day.

John C. Dvorak Here’s a captain in the chatroom, says, does Leo know that Conan asked permission before he friended his random person?

Leo Laporte Well, that’s the difference between me and a network superstar.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, screw it.

Leo Laporte That’s what I’m asking! Is it illegal? Is it immoral? Is it wrong? No, I don’t think so. I think I’m making her a star.

John C. Dvorak Famous.

Leo Laporte Famous. Whether she wants to or not.

Kevin Rose Holy crap, Leo, you had a huge story on Digg the other day, best TechEye caller ever, Leo Laporte.

Leo Laporte Oh yes, yes we were on the front page for a while

Kevin Rose What was that all about?

Leo Laporte So, I had a good [ph] week class we got two viral (1:05:05) videos they made it to the front page of Digg and I said several hundred thousands nothing like Barney…

John C. Dvorak You didn’t get to 1.3 million yet?

Leo Laporte Nothing like this stupid Barney video that John I will never ever understand, John has 1.3 million hits on a video of Barney singing “I love you” in his bathroom. There is nothing else, it’s just it, that’s it, it’s the whole video.

John C. Dvorak Hey, I’m a genius.

Clayton Morris Kind of makes sense in a way…

Leo Laporte I guess it does. So, no, I’m only at 300,000. It was a women called the radio show, I didn’t even put it up somebody watching said this is funny; she called the radio show and she said my Wi-Fi is down I bought a Wi-Fi extender and I can’t get it anymore, and I said oh, well that’s too bad and she said yes, just there is no signal, and I say well that’s, let me ask you a dumb question.

John C. Dvorak Did that call ever end by the way? I was like…

Leo Laporte It’s pretty long. I said let me ask you a dumb question. You do have Internet access, right? She said, no, no. I said you have an access point? She says, no, no, no. It’s Linksys. I said what? she said it’s Linksys. I said you mean you’re stealing it. Well, it’s so expensive to get Internet access. And I said, and you’re mad because it’s stopped, the person probably moved or just turned it off.

Clayton Morris Or passed away.

Leo Laporte Yes. And she said well I have been getting it for a year and half.

Clayton Morris Oh, that’s great.

Leo Laporte There’s another women I’ve made famous, Jennifer in, I don’t know, somewhere in Southern California anyway. So, you have account from the Digg and I’m on a horse Old Spice we got the…

Kevin Rose Oh, everyone’s talking about that interview you did.

Leo Laporte I loved that commercial so much. So we just called the agency and said would you explain how this is done and so we walk through and they explained how it was – it was all one shot. They actually, okay, you’ve seen the commercial, right? There is this good looking guy and says, ladies, look at me, now look at your men, now look at me. Your men doesn’t look as good as me but he could smell like me if he used Old Spice and he is in a shower but then the shower disappears now he is on a boat and his shirt comes on and he’s dressed and he continues to talk and eventually at the end of the commercial he somehow is on a horse, and he says I’m on a horse. So, I thought oh, this is lot of CG here editing or cutting here it’s all one shot and the final scene he is actually standing on this boat but he is on a Gurney that without – he stands completely upright but you don’t see below his waist and it slides him on to this horse physically. So, I just thought it was amazing. Anyway, so both of those got [indiscernible] (1:07:47) was very happy about that.

Clayton Morris You know they do that…

John C. Dvorak So, another breaking news.

Leo Laporte Yes, wait a minute, let Clayton say something. What is it?

Clayton Morris I was going to riff on what you were just saying

Leo Laporte That on the horse.

Clayton Morris We had a guy on a show you know the guy was in the Trainspotting?

Clayton Morris Yes.

Leo Laporte Scottish fellow. Yes.

Clayton Morris And he did this in entire they do this over in England where they four minutes to do a commercial instead of 30 seconds and all in like they do in like 30 takes but he starts it like at the top of this mountain in Scotland and it was all for some sort of whisky or something.

Leo Laporte And he ends up on the bottom.

Clayton Morris He, like walks for like four and half minutes and all of these things along the journey like he grabs something from someone, someone hands him a sword, a women walks in the frame, he makes out with her, he has his bottle of whisky he does this and that, was like a Scorsese shot through the bar.

Leo Laporte Oh, I love that, good fellows, yes.

Clayton Morris Yes, there is no cuts at all and they do this, they can get away with that because [indiscernible] (68:48) 30 seconds, yes.

Leo Laporte Well, you seen the new okay, go video.

Clayton Morris Yes.

Leo Laporte Oh my God, the Rube Goldberg thing. That’s a – they’ve got to be [indiscernible] (68:59) minutes in that though.

John C. Dvorak It’s a Johnny Walker ad.

Leo Laporte Johnny Walker?

Clayton Morris Johnny Walker. Yes.

Leo Laporte Like coming down from the mountain?

Clayton Morris Yes.

John C. Dvorak So, the breaking news is Steve Jobs is apparently has just shown up at the Oscars.

Leo Laporte No! Get out of here. And is he wearing a top hat?

Clayton Morris Is he wearing his weird hat that I saw him in the other day?

John C. Dvorak Somebody apparently just – somebody – one of our maniacs here I guess who is at the Oscars and also on the chat room took a picture of him apparently over by the red carpet

Leo Laporte Oh, you are kidding, let’s take a look.

Clayton Morris You got all this in the chat room?

Leo Laporte Yes, in the chatroom.

John C. Dvorak No, no, it’s you are not going to find it.

Leo Laporte No, did you see the weird hat, Clayton? Did you actually see it?

Clayton Morris No, he put it on when he got – I didn’t see him with the hat on, he walks in and I run into him, so and I twitted this the other day, it’s not everyday you walk into work and you just walk – run into Steve jobs. So, he is coming through the one door at News Corp and I just walked right there and there he is with like a contingent and he was going upstairs because now the end of the Wall Street Journal moved into our building so he is going upstairs to show off the iPad so but then I heard these reports to him in this funky hat I didn’t see him in the hat, so I was so disappointed. I don’t know if it was like a some sort of like jester hat with bells hanging off of it or what.

Leo Laporte They said it was just a strange hat. So here’s the picture this is - somebody’s posted this on his [ph] posters (70:18), it says, oh my God, it’s Steve Jobs I’m the only one yelling at him but I’m looking where – now Steve of course, there he is yes, yes. He is of course on the Board of Pixar, founder of Pixar and Pixar is nominated, so I could see he’d be there, and there he is, there is the security contingent obviously unless, so there is…

John C. Dvorak Stooges

Leo Laporte Stooges, you can see the stooges in front and back.

Clayton Morris I guess that’s one event he would actually leave the house for.

Leo Laporte I think that’s great, he’s obviously – he is healthy enough that he is going to the Oscar’s that’s fantastic.

John C. Dvorak Well, I’m sure they are going to gave some cameras if they’re doing their job, somebody is going to have to throw a camera on him during the presentation

Leo Laporte No, see this is Hollywood. This is Hollywood. He is Steve Jobs. I guess they would know who he is.

Clayton Morris Well, they have this…

John C. Dvorak You say there is one guy, seems to be the only guy yelling at, maybe nobody knows what he looks like in Hollywood. You know, who knows.

Leo Laporte Could be.

John C. Dvorak

If I had a choice between a shot of say Anne Hathaway and Steve Jobs, I’d push the button on Hathaway.

Leo Laporte Anne Hathaway, wow.

Kevin Rose Well they have this is a looser – they have this looser policy this year.

Leo Laporte Loser?

Kevin Rose For speeches. What, they have this – they have a loser policy now. So, no, they have a looser policy now for speeches and every person who is nominated has been told to prepare two speeches for tonight’s performance

Leo Laporte One long, one short, you are kidding.

Kevin Rose One for the stage if they win and then one because they’re going to have separate camera’s now out in the hallway to speed up the feeling of the show. So they’re going to be out in the hallway for like quick interviews or sort of like that, I don’t know Cinema Variete interviews, hey, here’s Steven Spielberg, what do you have to say? And they are just going to like randomly grab…

John C. Dvorak Are you telling me, those speeches are rigged?

Leo Laporte No, they don’t know who’s going to win. So, I found the Johnny Walker.

John C. Dvorak No, because you are going to have two speeches in other words they give you canned speech in front of the microphone, in front of the public and then you go in the back and you give another canned speech, give me a break, what if – can’t these people ad lib one line in their life?

Leo Laporte You think they’re actors you know they’re actors, they could.

John C. Dvorak Well, that’s the point, they are actors, they have to read a script.

Clayton Morris I’m suddenly thirsty for Johnny Walker, I can’t…

John C. Dvorak I don’t know why, this is the ad you’re talking about Clayton.

Clayton Morris Yes, this is the one we had, what’s his name again?

Leo Laporte I don’t know he is, you recognize that guy?

Clayton Morris Oh no, it’s from Trainspotting, I can’t think of his name off the top of my head, but, so this thing goes on and this is all one take.

John C. Dvorak Taunt the cow.

Leo Laporte There is a cow. There is a grave. So he is telling the story of Johnny Walker as he is walking and now he goes into the grocery, this is good.

John C. Dvorak It’s just a door in the middle of the road.

Leo Laporte Well, it’s like a grocery. But it’s just a door. So, let me talk about some tech news, we’ll play the rest of this some other…

John C. Dvorak Can we – Leo can we do a side track as we did little bit on Hollywood, I went to the Dolby screening of the Alice in Wonderland movie.

Leo Laporte What did you think of that?

John C. Dvorak I like it, to be honest about it, but I’m a big Tim Burton fan as far as I’m concerned he gets a pass on everything I really enjoyed the movie and I thought the whole thing was well done. But you know did you ever explain on this show what those glasses are that Dolby uses and how they work?

Leo Laporte Yes, we did actually Ray Maxwell did the whole, he is from the Full Monty by the way, not I have it on it a posted note, not Trainspotting, he is the Full Monty.

Kevin Rose Wait a minute, he is not Trainspotting?

Leo Laporte No, he is the guy.

Clayton Morris I think you’re right. I know he is in Full Monty 2, but…

Leo Laporte Posted notes never lie, anyway. So, we did Ray Maxwell did the whole thing on 3D those glasses there’s three different kinds of 3D movies, there’s the real D, there’s Dolby 3D and there’s IMAX 3D, the only one that’s active is the IMAX, no it’s not active, none of them are active.

Clayton Morris Which is the stuff that you can buy for your home now at CES?

Leo Laporte Well, they have a variety of different ones and those aren’t active because they need batteries in those, those are shutters.

John C. Dvorak Those are bad for you.

Leo Laporte They are, I think, Yes, the Real D is polarized, essentially polarized, there is a circular polarized one, I can’t remember the details.

John C. Dvorak There is a notch filter.

Leo Laporte No, there is one that’s frequency, maybe that’s the Dolby.

John C. Dvorak No, that’s the notch filter one from Dolby, it’s a notch filter glass and the notch filters are angled at different…

Leo Laporte Right, frequency based.

John C. Dvorak They are [indiscernible] (74:32) on different notches.

Clayton Morris Jesus, I can’t figure out why they can’t sell this crap?

John C. Dvorak No, it’s notch filter and apparently they are just notched slightly differently so they can shoot the whole thing through one lens because it’s the way the mirror spins around has to be done on one of those DLP projectors, and so you get these notch filter thing which gives you the 3D effect which is actually quite good for anybody who wants to see but it’s a little muddy and the real problem is because the notch filters take out half of what you are seeing..

Leo Laporte That’s right, it’s darker.

John C. Dvorak On each eye, it’s kind of jerky jerk in a funny way, so that real fast action doesn’t seem to be that great. But that’s the reason they are – I think those glasses that Dolby has, I didn’t asked them about this because they gave us a big presentation, I think those lenses probably cost about a 100 bucks a piece.

Leo Laporte Really? No.

Clayton Morris Yes.

Leo Laporte In fact one of the reasons – one of the reasons the RealD...

John C. Dvorak The notch filter ones.

Leo Laporte Right.

John C. Dvorak It’s a real thick lens.

Leo Laporte Right. One of the reasons the RealD is very popular in theatres, the glasses are four bucks each – they are cheap. And the process doesn’t require any special projector, they just…

John C. Dvorak No, but it requires a silver screen.

Leo Laporte It does require modification of the screen but that screen continue to be used for other movies.

John C. Dvorak Yes, but it has hotspots all over. I’m just giving you the Dolby propaganda.

Leo Laporte This is interesting. So how was the Alice – was it –

John C. Dvorak I liked it.

Leo Laporte Yes.

John C. Dvorak I enjoyed it. I thought it was great. The 3D was outstanding. It was fine. It was a little muddy. Their claim is they got better colors, I’m not seeing that. But it was I thought it was good film. I would recommend it.

Kevin Rose So now every film is going to be coming out in 3D.

Clayton Morris I just got word the Spider-Man 4 is going to be in 3D. Shrek – the next Shrek film is going to be in 3D. Every film coming down the pike.

John C. Dvorak Dolby – Dolby people, [indiscernible] (1:16:12) most of the time with one of the Senior VPs, they believe that it’s going to boil down on year-to-year basis of 25 films in 3D no more.

Leo Laporte Really? Why do they say that?

Kevin Rose Well, I can imagine if you’re Christopher Nolan sitting there and thinking about doing the next Batman film…

Leo Laporte You want to do it in 3D, right?

Kevin Rose Yes, or a [indiscernible] (1:16:31) may be.

John C. Dvorak [Indiscernible] (1:16:31) movies probably but I think why don’t see Woody Allen doing a 3D movie.

Leo Laporte No. By the way Robert Carlisle was in both The Full Monty and Trainspotting, speaking of [ph] ten poles (1:16:42).

John C. Dvorak Now we go finally. The facts come out.

Leo Laporte Yes, thanks to the chat room. So the tech story I was going to mention, lot of heat on Ubisoft when they announced that they were going to require that you authenticate before you play their games online. In other words, you couldn’t play Assassin’s Creed 2 even if you’re playing the single player unless you are connected to the Internet so that their DRM could authenticate this, they really pissed a lot of people off, Silent Hunter 5 same thing. So what happens today? Ubisoft’s DRM servers go down and you cannot play the game.

John C. Dvorak The cloud strikes again.

Leo Laporte You cannot play the games. So if you’re trying…

Kevin Rose [Ph] Will they expect (1:17:27) people that don’t have Internet access, they just can’t play?

Leo Laporte They can’t play.

Kevin Rose No, so there’s one single player mode?

Leo Laporte Yes.

Kevin Rose That sucks.

Clayton Morris But this is something that you always try to hit home on Leo, which is the DRM hurts...

Leo Laporte Honest users.

Clayton Morris The person who buys it.

Kevin Rose It hurts the honest user.

Leo Laporte I want to point out that the Ubisoft DRM was cracked within 24 hours of its release, so the pirates they are playing.

Kevin Rose They are fine.

Leo Laporte They are fine.

Clayton Morris The pirates are the only one having a good time right now.

Leo Laporte Yes.

Clayton Morris [Indiscernible] (1:17:58).

Leo Laporte Yes, but those of you who bought Assassin’s Creed 2 for the PC, I guess you’ll be playing that game today. Not your Internet access, their Internet access down. That sucks.

Kevin Rose Now what’s this DRM for the iBookstore? I thought Apple had abandoned that but...

Leo Laporte No.

Kevin Rose Word is that there going to be DRM with the iBooks that you purchase through the iBookstore?

Leo Laporte They’re using ePub but they’re using – which is kind of open and not DRM but they’re using a DRM version of ePub. But that’s the publishers make them do that, I am sure. Don’t you think?

Kevin Rose Yes but – well I don’t know I mean if you buy an ePub book, can you buy an ePub book from a publisher on sort of e-reader and have that be DRM?

Leo Laporte Yes, Sony stuffs DRM. I think so. Kindle’s certainly is. Yes.

Clayton Morris I thought Kindle certainly is, but…

Leo Laporte I think the publisher’s demand that.

Kevin Rose Something with audio books too.

Leo Laporte Yes, Audible is DRM’d.

John C. Dvorak I am telling you, look at this product coming out of India, called the Adam.

Leo Laporte A.D.A.M.?

John C. Dvorak Yes.

Leo Laporte And it’s a – what? It’s a pad?

John C. Dvorak It’s an iPad killer. And I hate to use that term since that iPad is probably dead anyway.

Leo Laporte I don’t think it’s a – I disagree; I think that’s going to be huge. So this is from NOTION Inc. And it will have flash, it will have 1080p, it will have twice the battery life and it will run Android. And by the way, yes there is a camera on it.

John C. Dvorak And it’s 350.

Clayton Morris That’s great. Okay, that’s great that it’ll run Android but the problem again with these devices is they run a version of the operating system that’s not optimized for the device that they’re on.

Leo Laporte I agree.

Clayton Morris And you know you have the iPad that comes out with a version of OS 10 that looks beautiful on this device optimized for that device, instead of having to scale – I mean this is the problem that Microsoft had with Windows Mobile, they stick a version of it on there that doesn’t really work for their device that it’s on.

Leo Laporte Yeah, I agree with you. I agree with you 100%. I mean the idea of a start button on a phone was just ludicrous. And Apple’s designed this really for a small device. It worked on the iPhone. I think it’s going to be a hit. But that’s – we can have a bet, John.

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Leo Laporte Have a little bet. What would you like to bet? I already have a…

John C. Dvorak Bottle of wine, a bottle of wine.

Leo Laporte Bottle of wine. From Costco. Costco Leoville. Leoville’s a very good Bordeaux.

John C. Dvorak There’s three of them, actually.

Leo Laporte And which one do you want?

John C. Dvorak Well if I have a choice, the Leoville [Indiscernible] (80:38).

Leo Laporte [Indiscernible] (80:39) And what are you going to give me? And what is the criteria? I’m going to say, they will sell a million iPads in the first year. How about that?

Kevin Rose That’s kind low, isn’t that kind of a lowball?

Leo Laporte Five million.

John C. Dvorak Okay. Five million. I’m in.

Leo Laporte All right. And what do you give to me?

Kevin Rose Can I be in on that as well?

Leo Laporte Yeah, you don’t believe that either? All right.

Kevin Rose No, I believe they’re going to sell five million.

Leo Laporte Easy.

Kevin Rose Absolutely.

Leo Laporte They’re going to sell more than that, but I low-balled.

John C. Dvorak We’ll see.

Leo Laporte And what do I get if they do?

John C. Dvorak I will get you a bottle of fantastic wine.


Leo Laporte 1999 at Costco. I’ve had that wine.

John C. Dvorak By the way, those wines are good.

Leo Laporte I know, they’re fantastic.

John C. Dvorak But I will get you something better.

Leo Laporte They’re fantastic. All right, one more check to see how our queen for a day, Lisa Tickled Pink is doing. And remember, you’ve got to follow her, you’ve got to follow Lisa Tickled Pink and I will pick from one of those followers, they will win an iPad. And to compensate her for what will be undoubtedly a day of horror tomorrow, we will give Lisa an iPad, drum roll please, Lisa Tickled Pink is now up to 2,467 followers that she’s never heard of, has no idea. She’s on 88 lists all of a sudden.

Kevin Rose You just hit the front page of Digg, too. The front page.

Leo Laporte And she is now on the front page of Digg.

John C. Dvorak She is famous.

Leo Laporte Thank you, Kevin Rose.

Kevin Rose You did it. The story had like 250 Diggs in no time.

Clayton Morris Wow.

Leo Laporte It’s really shameful when we use our power in this….

John C. Dvorak The power.

Leo Laporte The power! Kevin Rose is the man at, of course, the host of Diggnation. I’m really excited, I’m going to be in Austin, can I come see you?

Kevin Rose No way! Are you serious?

Leo Laporte Yes.

Kevin Rose Oh, dude, we’ll get you – come out on stage and say hi to everybody too.

Leo Laporte I will, I’ll say hi. I’m going to be there covering South by Southwest. We arrive Thursday, we’ll cover Thursday night, Friday night and Saturday night, which is the big Diggnation party. Is it [ph] Stubbs (82:39), where is it?

Kevin Rose Yes! It’s – Leo, you should come out and do a story with us.

Leo Laporte I will. I’m going to bring – it’s a deal, I have my camera on a stick and I got one of those live stream, live streamers? It’s a 20 pound backpack, I got a light, a camera and a microphone and I’m just going to wander like Gandalf with my [indiscernible] (82:58) I even have a hat.

Kevin Rose Is the camera on the staff itself?

Leo Laporte Yes.

John C. Dvorak You’re starting to sound like Scoble.

Leo Laporte It was Scoble’s idea! How did you know?

John C. Dvorak It figures.

Clayton Morris I saw you at CES with that thing. You had like a Sherpa carrying that for me.

Leo Laporte This time it’s all me. We wanted to see – Colleen said, you know, we spent a lot of money – because we flew, I think eight people down to CES, put them up, and it was very expensive. She said, ‘you know, you really could just do this by yourself.’ So we’re going to try that. I’m going to South by Southwest by myself. I have – I think five or six hours of battery life. So I will…

Kevin Rose [Indiscernible] (83:30).

Leo Laporte Huh?

Kevin Rose Please don’t tell me AT&T like 3G or something like that.

Leo Laporte No, the live streamer does them all.

So it has eight 3G cards, two for each of AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint and Verizon. And then it load balances across them depending on who’s got the bandwidth. And we believe it will give us, no matter how bad the circumstances are, enough. We only need 3 or 400 kilobits to stream a decent picture out of there. So what I was thinking of doing – you of course, you’re going to do a live stream of Diggnation, right?

Kevin Rose We don’t do live streams.

Leo Laporte Oh, well. I won’t be doing like, a high quality live stream, but I’ll show you what’s it like to be in the audience.

Kevin Rose Yeah. Sounds cool, come out. Come on stage.

Leo Laporte I will, I will.

Kevin Rose That’s great.

Leo Laporte I’m really looking forward to it,

Clayton Morris The worst part is that you’re going to be on Linksys.

Leo Laporte Yeah, I got an extender because I’m counting on Linksys.

Clayton Morris is on Fox & Friends and his pod – you got a number of podcasts. I didn’t realize that you have more than just the Gadgets and Games podcasts.

Clayton Morris Yeah. You know, you dig yourself that hole. I’ve been doing this one podcast, Grizzly Bear Egg Café, with my best friend Mike. We grew up together. Catacorner, right across the street over there. And we just talk about nerd stuff. We’ve been doing it almost two years now, we just talk about Batman, 60s Batman, we talk about comic books. We’ve had – we talked comic books, we’ve had Andy Ihnatko on the show, because he’s a big nerd.

Leo Laporte Oh, fun. Yeah, he’s a great comic book fan.

Clayton Morris So, yeah – just random, random.

Leo Laporte If you go to, all of that stuff will be there, right?

Clayton Morris Yeah, yeah. It’s all housed there. Like Channel Dvorak.

Leo Laporte Really great, finally to get you on the show. I really –

Clayton Morris I’m thrilled, I’m flattered to be here. So I really appreciate it.

Leo Laporte Oh, please. Kevin, of course, and as I mentioned – it’s probably sold out – is it sold out yet?

Kevin Rose There is a Facebook page that I will Tweet out shortly, at

Leo Laporte Okay, because that – you had more than 2,000 people, the line was around the block last year?

Kevin Rose It’s pretty crazy.

Leo Laporte It’s amazing. I mean, this is – if you’ve never gone to a live Diggnation, you’ve got to go. Kevin and Alex – it’s just a blast and the people are there and everybody’s is in a great mood and it’s just a party. And that will be –

Kevin Rose We’re going to be so – do some crowdsurfing with us, we’re going to do crowdsurfing this year.

Leo Laporte Okay. Can I bring my staff?

Kevin Rose Have you ever done it before?

Leo Laporte No, what is it?

Kevin Rose You can jump out in the crowd and the crowd supports you up with their hands.

Leo Laporte Okay. But I have to have my –

John C. Dvorak Don’t do it!

Leo Laporte My staff with me. I’ll wear my Google slanket. It’s going to be fine.

Clayton Morris If you yell out, if you yell out Frodo in the middle of Diggnation.

Leo Laporte That will be me, that will be me.

Kevin Rose Frodo!

Leo Laporte and is where Diggnation lives. And of course, John C. Dvorak is at There I am on the top of Digg, look at that. ‘Leo Laporte takes a stranger to the top of Twitter.’ And the top of Digg. Amazing.

John C. Dvorak While you guys are at South by Southwest, I’ll be weeding.

Leo Laporte Is that a – is that code?

John C. Dvorak No, just weeding. No, I’m going to be digging up weeds, they were cropping up all over the place after all these rains. They got a – I gotta clear them out of the backyard.

John C. Dvorak Watch out for those blunts.

Kevin Rose You have a weed whacker?

John C. Dvorak Yeah,,,, the whole nine yards.

Leo Laporte

Kevin Rose Can I say something about John’s blog, by the way?

Leo Laporte Yes. Please do.

John C. Dvorak All of you.

Leo Laporte Please do.

Kevin Rose John, I love your blog.

John C. Dvorak Good man.

Leo Laporte It is a great blog, Dvorak Uncensored, I love it.

Kevin Rose You know, because – and I got to say, I do pitch meetings for Fox and Friends, and I wish I knew how to find irreverent stories. Because we’re always going to have the healthcare stories, we’re always going to have this, we’re always going to have – I wish I knew how to find the stuff that makes me laugh. And I swear to god, the stuff that you have on your blog ends up making me laugh and it hits my sense of humor.

So I end up pitching – thank you, because just like Leo ends up taking a lot of stories from Dwight for shows, I end up taking a lot of stories from you, from your blog for [indiscernible] (87:16).

Leo Laporte That’s great.

John C. Dvorak We are a source. Thank you very much.

Leo Laporte

Thank you all for being here. Let’s real quickly check one more time and see how poor Lisa is – oh, wait a minute, I’ve lost her.

John C. Dvorak I think she’s flattened out. She’s flat lined.

Leo Laporte No, no, let’s keep her alive kids. Tickled Pink, I hate technology, 2,796 followers, and now when we come back next week we want to beat Conan, he only has 15,500 for his victim. We want more for our victim. And one of you is going to win an iPad, and Lisa, you get an iPad too, my deepest apologies for selecting you without asking your father’s permission.

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