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Episode 258


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It’s time for TWiT, this WEEK in TECH, the show that covers the latest technology news. We don’t give you the facts, just the opinions and we’ve got some opinionators today starting with opinionator number one, Mr. Ray Maxwell all the way from Vancouver, British Columbia. Hey, Ray, it’s great to see you again.

Ray Maxwell Hey, Leo. Always great to be on TWiT

Leo Laporte Yeah, thank you for joining us. Ray is color guy on TWiT and we have some important questions for you color guy, so don’t go away. Also with us from New York, New York where she is visiting her brother, isn’t that nice, Shira Lazar, of stage and screen and CBS. Hi, Shira.

Shira Lazar Hey, guys. Happy to be on…

Leo Laporte Hey.

Shira Lazar I love being on the show.

Leo Laporte Well, we love having you on the show. Also here from GDGT –, Peter Rojas. Hey Peter.

Peter Rojas Hey, how is it going?

Leo Laporte It’s great to have you on. We were scheduled to have Ryan Block, your partner on and Veronica, his partner is playing tennis against Maria Sharapova.

Peter Rojas Yeah.

Leo Laporte So he felt it would be disloyal to come and do the show and not watch Veronica beat Maria Sharapova.

Peter Rojas I’m Ryan’s stand-in basically.

Leo Laporte No, we love having you on. But I’m just curious how that happened?

Peter Rojas I don’t know, you’re going to have to ask them.

Leo Laporte It’s a very, it’s wild. Is it – are they playing in the Bay Area or some …

Peter Rojas I think they were down in Palo Alto, so maybe they were playing down there somewhere.

Leo Laporte That’s very cool. That game’s probably over. He could probably have been on – I mean how long she is going to last against Maria Sharapova. Is she – unless she is a brilliant tennis player.

Peter Rojas It’s entirely possible. I have never seen Veronica play tennis but ….

Leo Laporte Wait a minute. Now you are going to – ladies and gentlemen, Maria Sharapova and Veronica Belmont preparing to play tennis.

Peter Rojas Wow!

Leo Laporte That proves it.

Shira Lazar That is hilarious.

Leo Laporte I didn’t make it up. Isn’t that wild?

Shira Lazar That’s weird, like there needs to be something about that. Either, she is trying to get into tech more or – there’s always something when you see people that aren’t traditionally in this scene and hanging out with people in this scene, it’s because – I don’t know they are trying to get into it more.

Leo Laporte Like Ashton - like Kutcher, right?

Shira Lazar I guess, yeah, Ashton when he started now, he’s I guess part of the scene a bit more but when he started getting into it a year and half or two years ago, he’s certainly hanging with – people like Kevin Rose or with Michael Arrington you’re like hmmm… what’s going on here?

Leo Laporte That’s how they get to know each other. It’s how he gets – he gets …..

Shira Lazar Gets to know the players, player.

Leo Laporte Kevin’s a player. So this was a week that many of the big tech companies announced their quarterly results; Apple announced the biggest quarter – I think in its history. In fact there were some thought when Apple announced first that they might beat Microsoft for the first time ever in revenue, not profits. Never in profits but in revenue. No, Microsoft pulled ahead and had its one of its best quarters ever with a profit of $16 billion. I’m sorry a revenue of $16 billion in three months. That’s kind of astounding amount of money and a good amount of that profits since Microsoft just sells bits. They say they sold – they have sold 175 million copies of Windows 7 that is 10 copies – wait a minute let me get this right, I got to get the numbers right – 10 copies of Windows 7 every second, every second since it came out.

Ray Maxwell That’s pretty amazing.

Leo Laporte Anything to say? Nobody has anything to say, it’s like…

Peter Rojas It’s their cash cow, right? I think that we expected that, this new version of Windows was going to sell a lot. They have a lot of support from the OEMs. But I think they also came out with a much better version of Windows than they did last time around with Vista and so there are a lot of companies that sat out Vista so to speak, a lot of – especially the big enterprise customers that decided to skip a generation and wait, and so they were doing the big upgrade from XP to Windows 7 now and so I think that’s why they sold so many copies.

Leo Laporte You will notice that I started the show with a computer story and the reason is, this is the last time we will talk about computers for the next hour and a half. It seems like computers are gone, right? All we ever talk about and anybody talks about these days is cellphones, maybe iPads may be mobile computing, but computers themselves…

Shira Lazar It’s going be – it’s going to become like a CD.

Leo Laporte It is. It’s obsolete.

Ray Maxwell Totally a commodity at this point.

Leo Laporte Here’s – thanks to [indiscernible] (6:08) in our chatroom, the chart of the day from Silicon Alley insiders, Microsoft’s online operating income and this is a loss, all those reds a loss. They made money in September and December 2005 and they have lost money every quarter since. This quarter online $700 million in losses. But when you have 16 billion in revenue losing a 100 million here or there is no big deal. It just shows you though that these big computer PC companies like Microsoft are having a hard time making this transition to the modern world, the online world and the portable ¬– the mobile space.

Ray Maxwell I wonder what the percentage of their product was delivered over the Internet versus delivered in a cardboard box store.

Leo Laporte Well that’s got to be good for the bottom line, right?

Ray Maxwell Oh yeah.

Peter Rojas What they’re losing money on here is Bing. They are investing literally hundreds of millions of dollars in Bing right now and they see that the success of being as critical to the future of the company and so, I mean what are they inching up towards, they are the number two player, but I think that they have a chance to getting above 25, 30% market share in search which is super, super important to them and so they would rather lose 500 million, $700 million right now rather than be completely shut out of that market down the road. So I think that most of that money is related to Bing and to Live.

Leo Laporte Excellent point. In fact we talked last week about the fact that Bing is gaining share, considerable share over Google and Yahoo! but the way they are doing it is by buying share which is not a tenable long-term position.

Peter Rojas I don’t know if it’s not, I mean it is tenable in the sense that they can cut these deals, I mean look at something like AOL which is getting ready for – to renegotiate its deal with Google, right. And so they’re looking to Microsoft to offer them a better deal. And AOL’s only about 2.5% of web search, but because it’s AOL users, it actually accounts for about 6% of paid clicks. So if Microsoft were able to sign up AOL as a search client, they would actually be able to get closer to that 30%, but they actually from a revenue standpoint will be able to make more money off those users than an average percentage point of search.

Leo Laporte Right. What was it Jason Calacanis used to say of every percentage point of market share in search is worth a billion.

Peter Rojas Yeah, something like that yeah.

Leo Laporte So spending 700 million even if all of that was spent in a quarter, to get 1% market share would still be a net gain.

Peter Rojas Eventually, in theory, yeah.

Leo Laporte In theory.

Shira Lazar Microsoft think they are going to compete with Apple in terms of hardware, I mean I feel like they spent so much time kind of focusing on obviously huge communities. Like we’re a minority, some of us who use Apple products. Most of the country and most of the world who don’t have the money do still use Microsoft products. It doesn’t mean that that is innovative products…

Leo Laporte I guess that’s why the stock is so flat lining given this huge profit, this huge revenue. Microsoft’s stocks never, it always kind of flat and I think probably the market perceives Microsoft as last year’s technology, not the future of technology and that would also explain why Microsoft is putting so much money into online, they have got to become a cloud company.

Shira Lazar Maybe they realized they are just not going to want to compete against Apple. Every time they do try to put something out there…

Leo Laporte No Shira, I got to point out they have 95% market share.

Shira Lazar Yeah, I mean meaning in innovation…

Leo Laporte In the operating system, In innovation, ok.

Shira Lazar They’ll compete with the products, the basics and still win, I definitely think in terms of what Peter said Bing is the way to go and they are doing it right, I mean it’s only been around for what [indiscernible] (10:02) or so, and they already see a lot of progress.

Leo Laporte Any of you use Bing?

Shira Lazar I use it sometimes. The travel – sometimes the comparison travel is pretty good.

Leo Laporte But we saw Google’s response to that is they bought – what was it, IATA? So that they get all this database, this huge data base of travel information so that they can do exactly what Bing is doing. If you enter in a search on Bing, it gives you like fares, it gives you more than just search results, right? Is that why you use it, Shira? You use it ….

Shira Lazar Yeah. Comparison, you can basically – you could find also when the best time is to buy the tickets or the hotels, so if you say you need to be travelling at a certain point, it will say instead of buying it today, maybe wait 2 more days.

Leo Laporte Right. Hey, I want to talk before we get too far down the road with this, and we are going to come back to this Microsoft and Apple’s quarterly results, Amazon’s as well, Intel’s last week, AMD’s last week and there’s a lot to say about that. But Denise Howell is going to call us in just a bit, she is an attorney, of course the host of our show this WEEK in LAW, and there’s an interesting new iPad application, Robert Scoble said it’s the PageMaker or Excel of the iPad, in another words, the killer app it’s going to make the iPad the next best thing in the world. It’s called Flipboard and when I mentioned this I was on this WEEK in LAW this week, when I mentioned this to Nilay Patel who’s with Engadget of course, you know him very well, Peter. Nilay went ballistic. He says, we don’t like Flipboard so much. The idea of Flipboard is, it scrapes the web to create a beautiful – I mean, nobody denies this, a beautiful magazine of content. But here I am looking at Boing Boing but this isn’t the Boing Boing site, notice there are no ads, the articles are from Boing Boing. It’s a beautiful magazine with a great pageturn, but is this what Boing Boing intended when they created a website?

What do you – now you’re no longer in that business, particularly. They are not going to scrape gadgets, Peter. What do you think of this?

Peter Rojas Yeah. They wouldn’t be – I mean, the way gadgets are structured it wouldn’t make sense to really scrape. I mean I guess you could scrape like the front page feed or something like that.

Leo Laporte Maybe you are smart, you wouldn’t mind that. You wouldn’t mind it at all?

Peter Rojas I mean – well, a big part of what Flipboard does is it’ll scrape people’s Twitter feeds, right? And the copyright related to individual tweets is very unclear………

Leo Laporte Right.

Peter Rojas Let alone the issue of feed, but if you look at Engadget’s terms of service for RSS feeds, which are terms of service that I helped create originally back when I was there, was that – sorry about my video there.

Leo Laporte That’s all right. It’s a very intriguing look.

Peter Rojas Yeah. I was going to say I don’t know what’s going on ……….

Leo Laporte Your mouth has become disassociated from your head.

Peter Rojas The video coming out – I can see the video on my Skype.

Leo Laporte It’s called a Skype thing.

Peter Rojas Yeah. It’s – but what I was going to say was that the RSS feed is a full text feed that Engadget does and a lot of sites don’t do that.

Leo Laporte Right.

Peter Rojas A lot of sites do truncated-feeds which are maybe headlines and an excerpt to force you to click through to their website where you could see ads. Engadget is one of the few sites, big tech news sites which does full text feeds and they do that as a service to the reader and I think that it is something that is very positive, but the condition of use is that it’s not meant to be republished on the web; it’s not meant to be used in a commercial context and I think you could argue. And I am sure Nilay does that Flipboard is a business and that them using Engadget’s full text RSS feed constitutes a commercial – a non-licensed commercial use of the feed.

Leo Laporte Right.

Peter Rojas And I think that’s legitimate.

Leo Laporte Flipboard says it’s – by the way it had a rocky launch because it was so popular. Initially the idea was when you first get it you sign into your Facebook and Twitter account, it aggregates content from the people you follow on those sites as well as from other sites and you can easily add – it’s actually kind of fun. They have – you could easily add other sites which or subtract sites. The founders of Flipboard say, no, we are paying attention to the RSS and when the RSS only does a truncated-feed, we do a truncated-feed; we try not to put more into the magazine, into Flipboard than you’ll get on the RSS. But that’s actually not true in some cases. People pointed out that the The Boston Globe which has that big picture feature which I love. If you love photography, it’s fantastic. The problem with it is those pictures appear on Flipboard in its entirety even though they come from – I think it’s the Associated Press. And they are not licensed to do this. I mean, it’s great if you love photojournalism. It’s fantastic, but I wonder how The Boston Globe…

Shira Lazar Wow. It’s amazing.

Leo Laporte Aren’t they great?

Peter Rojas Yeah.

Leo Laporte One thing you can’t deny is this is a great presentation. I mean it really is a great way ….

Shira Lazar Yeah. It’s an interesting issue because I think we are talking about the future of this in terms of curation; and it’s like, who’s going to come up to curate things properly and this is a platform that’s doing that for us, but then it brings up the issue of like what’s kind of taking content and – what – how are you going to be kind of giving credit where credit is do.

Leo Laporte Right.

Shira Lazar I mean, look at Huffington Post. A lot of it’s pretty much taken from other sources as well.

Leo Laporte Right, right I have had a little problem with that frankly, they do link back to the original source but really the Huffington Post is like a newspaper built of feeds it didn’t pay for. This – here’s an interesting – this is an interesting use of this, here’s the daily dose of imagery image, and then to the right of it, Twitter! People who are talking about this on Twitter now it, presumably, if you had – I can’t get in because I don’t have an account because it’s been overwhelmed since it came out last week, but if you had signed in to your Twitter account, you could add comments here and you could see the comments particularly I would presume of your own social graph. This is a very interesting idea, it’s kind of compelling.

Shira Lazar Yeah, it’s very robust.

Peter Rojas It’s a great app. Shira Lazar It’s high level, I mean it’s social viewing, I think that’s the future whether it be in the video form or in text form, it’s all about watching or reading something together and being able to have all those other social tools alongside. This is—that does that.

Leo Laporte Peter pointed out that Dave Winer, the creator of RSS has posted on his blog on about Flipboard. I hear Denise calling in, so we’re going to get Denise on in just a second, but let me read a little bit of what Dave Winer says, to kind of set the stage for Denise. He says ‘With no disres…’ – first of all, he says he knows Mike McCue from Netscape days, Mike McCue founded TellMe, he sold that to Microsoft and then went on to found Flipboard. He says ‘With no’, Dave Winer says, ‘With no disrespect, Flipboard…’ here I am scrapping Dave Winer’s blog, I hope Dave doesn’t mind. ‘With no disrespect,

Peter Rojas Send, pay pal him some money

Leo Laporte I will. I love Dave, Dave I love you, is that enough? ‘With no disrespect, Flipboard is a scraper. It takes content flows that weren't intended for this kind of presentation and repurposes them. How could it do otherwise, it's a chicken-and-egg situation. Right now there is no content that is specifically designed for a Flipboard-like environment. But now that their product exists, it seems we have one half of the puzzle in place, why not put out a proposal to the content tool vendors, of which’, Dave says, ‘I happen to be one and say this: If you want to produce content flows that look beautiful in our environment, here's how to do it.’ In other words create a kind of a new kind of RSS for programs like Flipboard, he says put hints in the source code or create new renderings of the source code specifically to be viewed in the new environment. So he is not – I think this is typical of Dave and I like this about Dave, he is generative, he say’s ‘Well, okay, maybe there’s a problem here, here’s the solution, let’s account for it.’

Denise Howell is on the line, she’s the host of This Week in Law and a practicing attorney, knows are a little about these particular kinds of subjects. And she is pool side right now, thank you Denise for joining us

Denise Howell You’re welcome, it’s good to be here.

Leo Laporte I appreciate you taking time out from your pool party to be here. I Wanted to get you on the whole show, but at least we can get a little bit of what you think on this. Now that you – I know this is a new story for you, now that you’ve looked a little bit at this…

Denise Howell I looked a bit at it. I looked at Dave’s post, and I started to look through the Gizmodo post which started to unpack the legalities a little bit more, and…

Leo Laporte Yeah, I don’t know if Gizmodo is the first person I’d go to for rulings on legality, but yes…

Denise Howell Yes.

Leo Laporte They were the first that questioned this, what do you think?

Denise Howell I think we’re in a brave new world here. I think that the iPad as a platform and pad tablet computers in general are going to open up a lot of issues like this because they are the same kind of issues that we had, you know, when the browser first came into being.

Leo Laporte Like deep linking, things like that.

Denise Howell Yeah. Deep linking and search engines and copying and re-displaying, repurposing content in various ways and exceptions that had to be carved out from copy right law to make that happen because as a policy matter, the courts and ultimately the legislatures when they’ve been asked to look at this have decided, you know, it’s a good idea for us to be able to search the web.

Leo Laporte Right.

Denise Howell It just makes sense for ourselves as a culture and a society and there have to be some exceptions to what otherwise would be technically copyright violations, you copy, you reuse for a commercial purpose…

Leo Laporte Right.

Denise Howell You’re technically in violation of the law, but maybe there’s a new thing developing here and like you, Leo, I really like Dave’s suggestion that, that perhaps rather than leaving this to the Courts and Legislatures, that can take their time with these issues, there should be some addressing over the fact that there is a legal issue here upfront and smoothing that out rather than just forging ahead and going forward with a product that is going to tick some people off.

Leo Laporte Well, it reminds me of YouTube. I mean YouTube picked a lot of – pissed off a lot of copyright holders. And Google when it bought YouTube knew that there was going to be an issue with copyrights. We talked about this on this week’s TWiL and I encourage people to listen to it. Of course, the Viacom decision kind of vindicated Google. The court said, well, no, you’re protected by the Safe Harbor provision of the DMCA. And so Google is actually now okay with YouTube. I don’t know if this is directly comparable. There are --

Denise Howell Yeah, it’s not really. But you’re right. We’re still in that brave new world of – it’s something that perhaps should make some sense that there should be a way to do this.

Leo Laporte Right.

Denise Howell Now I just started – I downloaded the app this morning at about 5 AM and haven’t really gotten the chance to play with it yet.

Leo Laporte It’s very compelling. Watch out. I am reading The Economist, for instance, right now.

Denise Howell Yeah.

Leo Laporte Now, I don’t know why you would subscribe to The Economist. Now admittedly, this is the stuff that The Economist puts online. So the paper version may have other stuff. And it’s not the full article but it’s enough of the article that I kind of don’t feel like I need to read more. And it’s a mash-up too because as you can see, there is Twitter comments here with further links in although you can’t click those links which is really kind of too bad. That give you deeper – it’s almost a gloss on this. This is very compelling.

Denise Howell Right and the fact that they are scraping and not using RSS, now I’m gleaning that from the articles I read --

Leo Laporte That’s what I think too, yeah.

Denise Howell I don’t know enough about under the hood. But that’s an issue too because RSS is syndication that implies some reuse in various contexts. There has been a lot of legal trauma over RSS as well --

Leo Laporte Right.

Denise Howell Because as soon as you’re syndicating something, people think they can use it for any purpose.

Leo Laporte Does it let them off the hook that they don’t charge for the app and there is currently no ads in it? They’re not in other words monetizing it.

Denise Howell It certainly helps. As you suggest, there is no guarantee that that’s going to remain the case.

Leo Laporte Right.

Denise Howell But the copyright law looks at whether you are interfering with the creators’ ability to have a market for their work. And as you just said about The Economist, even with the free/no ads scenario here, it seems to me that you are. And in a lot of – I mean the real issue here is that a lot of these sites like The Economist are attempting to have a market around their works in various ways. They have certain things behind a pay wall.

Leo Laporte Right, this is not stuff from behind the pay wall. This is stuff that’s freely visible.

Denise Howell Yeah, yeah. So that’s where I think we are in a brave new world here that --

Leo Laporte Right.

Denise Howell You have to – this is not technically a web browser or an aggregator but it’s sort of a hybrid of both.

Leo Laporte Right.

Denise Howell And maybe there needs to be some sort of exception in the free/no ad context that makes room for something like this.

Ray Maxwell What about a technical solution to this situation, I mean basically the copyright holders are having a problem with controlling their media. What if we change the HTML protocol or whatever and the code and browsers such that the copyright holder can say, do not link to this piece. And none of the browsers would link to it, put the control entirely in the hands of the creator. That’s a wild – off the top of the head suggestion but wouldn’t that be possible or at least a signal, I don’t want to – I consider this proprietary or whatever, only my site?

Denise Howell Yeah, that’s actually what Leo was talking about how there was a lot of litigation in the early days about whether you could link to someone’s site, whether you could deep link past the front door page.

Leo Laporte What is the status there because I know that some people have been forbidden from doing that, right?

Denise Howell The status there is basically if there is a link and it’s discernible or publicly available, there is no problem with linking to it.

Leo Laporte Okay.

Denise Howell At least not in the United States. Other – there has been some rogue decisions in other jurisdictions.

Leo Laporte Right.

Denise Howell But basically the linking cases have all come out, are you kidding me, of course you can link. It’s the web.


Leo Laporte It’s a link. What do you want? It’s a link. And yet some people like Ticketmaster I know “forbid deep links”.

Denise Howell Well, there was some litigation about that a while back and --

Leo Laporte They say, you can’t, but technically you can because the courts say, you can. Is that it?

Denise Howell I think that’s basically how it all comes out. Yeah.

Leo Laporte Yeah, they say, ‘no deep linking!’ Because what happens people link to concerts directly instead of going through the front door of Ticketmaster and they want you to go through the front door, for some actually legitimate technical reasons. They are trying to keep people from doing robotic ticket purchases and things like that.

Denise Howell Well, yes, if you are circumventing somebody’s technical measure that has prevented you from readily getting to a site, that’s a different matter.

Leo Laporte Got it.

Denise Howell But if it’s a URL that is either publicly out there or you could figure it out without too much problem, then linking is pretty much fair game as far as the law is concerned --

Leo Laporte Denise --

Denise Howell And – yes?

Leo Laporte Denise, I’m going to let you get back to the pool. It’s just --

Denise Howell Yes. Thank you so much. And thank you for bringing this to my attention too. It’s a super-interesting topic.

Leo Laporte It is. And I can guarantee you will be hearing about it on Friday on this WEEK in LAW.

Denise Howell Yes. We’ll take it up then too.

Leo Laporte Thank you, Denise.

Denise Howell And I just heard today from Dan Gillmor, who is going to join us on the show on Friday.

Leo Laporte I love Dan.

Denise Howell That’s going to be fun. That will be great.

Leo Laporte That will be great.

Denise Howell Okay.

Leo Laporte Well, I did it this week. So if you want to hear me make a fool of myself, listen to this week’s show on iTunes or other podcast aggregators and --

Denise Howell It was wonderfully fun for us. My only regret was it was your one day off of the week. I felt so bad.


Leo Laporte Ah, it’s alright. For you, Denise, anything. Thank you. Look, you’re at the pool and you’re calling.

Denise Howell Yeah, yeah.

Leo Laporte Thank you, Denise. Take care.

Denise Howell All right. Take care. Have a great show.

Leo Laporte Denise Howell, her blog is Blogarithms and Bags and Baggage. And look, who has joined us in the lower right corner of the block. Cali Lewis is here. Hi, Cali. It’s great to see you.

Cali Lewis Hey. It’s great to be here. I just got back from a pool party.

Leo Laporte You too, huh?

Cali Lewis It’s pool all around.

Leo Laporte Well, we’re so glad you could be here. We were talking about Flipboard. And we’re going to get back to talking about that and all the tech news. I will tell you, Cali, since you’re just joining us that we’ve bookmarked the stories we’re going to talk about today, as to the degree that we end up following any rules, on Delicious, because this is episode 258.

And we’ll get back to the news in just a bit with Ray Maxwell, colorguy on Twitter; Shira Lazar from CBS; Peter Rojas from; Cali Lewis from the new GeekBeat.TV. It’s great to see you. We’ll talk about the new show too. That’s really exciting.

Cali Lewis Absolutely.

Leo Laporte In just a little bit, but before we go any further, I want to mention our good friends at Ford, Ford Motor Company. I don’t know if you know this. We’re going to be going to Detroit on Friday and Saturday. We’re covering Maker Faire on Saturday. Friday, we’re getting a great tour of the Ford Rouge plant including the amazing kind of virtual reality equipment they use to test and design cars ahead of time. It’s really a remarkable technology. We’ll be streaming that live Friday, right after actually this WEEK in LAW, come to think of it, on

I drove – I have been – I drive a Ford Mustang. But I have to say, before I bought the Mustang, I took a look at the Taurus SHO. And now I am thinking about it again, this new Ford EcoBoost engine, I don’t know if you’re aware of this; an amazing engine, this is a 3.5 liter V6 twin-turbo charged that delivers, get ready for this, 365 horsepower, 3.5 liters, 365 horsepower and a V6 with unparalleled fuel economy too. It’s standard on the 2011 Taurus SHO. And I am kind of thinking, boy, I might want to try this.

EPA estimated fuel economy, 17, city; 25, highway. But let me tell you, when you hit the gas pedal on this thing, it roars to life. This – the twin-turbo chargers increase the air density, it’s using direct injection to increase fuel efficiency. I don’t need to explain this to the auto buffs out there but the fuel is pressurized into the combustion chamber. So it’s more efficient than other injection methods.

Ford’s using really amazing state-of-the-art technology to design the most efficient engines in the industry and give you performance of much bigger engines with a fuel economy of a smaller engine. That’s – it’s truly amazing. And of course, you know the SHO will have the voice activated Sync that I love so much, hands-free calling, turn-by-turn voice directions, 911-assist, voice activated music and podcast browsing.

By the way, it works great with your iPhone 4 absolutely flawlessly, I tried it. It works great with my Android. And I have to say, my Droid X – I use a T1 headset with – I put the – I’ll give you a secret. This BlueAnt T1, there is a free Android download, that you’re supposed to use with the T1 that reads text messages to your T1, it worked for the Sync. So now my Android, when I get a text message reads me – the Ford Sync reads me my text message and I can then choose from some pre-canned messages to send back. So pretty amazing.

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And don’t forget to watch our special broadcast from Dearborn. We’re heading out on Friday. We’re going to take a look at the Ford plant, the Rouge, very famous Rouge plant, which was where the Mustangs were made but not anymore. So I won’t be able to visit my baby’s birthplace anymore.

Shira Lazar, Ray Maxwell, Cali Lewis, Peter Rojas, great to have you here. I mean – I’m just curious. How about you – I’m going to guess you are all iPhone 4 users, yes?

Cali Lewis No.

Leo Laporte What do you use, Cali?

Cali Lewis I’m still on a 3GS but waiting to switch to an Android.

Leo Laporte Okay, that’s interesting.

Peter Rojas Just for you.

Leo Laporte What about you, Pete? What are you using Peter?

Peter Rojas I carry two phones of Droid X and a Blackberry 9700.

Leo Laporte I got to tell you, I have never loved a phone more, not any iPhone.

Peter Rojas Isn’t it great?

Leo Laporte This Droid X is fantastic.

Peter Rojas It’s really nice. It’s really, really nice. The screen is great, and battery life is great. It’s fast.

Leo Laporte I get a lot of hate mail, a lot of hate mail, because I was an iPhone user for three years. I did switch to the Nexus One at the beginning of this year. I was very excited about the iPhone 4, I love it, beautiful – but it was dropping calls on me like crazy. Because here in the Bay Area, AT&T is not so good.

And so I said, well I’ll Verizon. I got the Droid X.

I think – here’s what I think. I think when people get used to 4.3 inch screens, they don’t go back.

Cali Lewis Oh, yeah. It’s, it’s hard to go back on.

Peter Rojas It’s so much easier to type on.

Leo Laporte Yeah, it’s easier to type on. Is it – now, Cali, you’re smaller than me, is it too big for you? What do you think?

Cali Lewis No, no. Actually I was concerned about the size, because girls’ pockets are smaller than guys’ pockets for sure. And I’ll like to be able to carry my phone around in my pocket without having to carry a purse or without fear of dropping it. And it fits right in and I don’t drop it and lost. It’s in my hands of course, but it does not fall out of my pocket. And it’s a fantastic device. I’m switching as soon as I decide to pay the termination fee over on AT&T.

Leo Laporte Shira, you’re still – I am sure?

Shira Lazar Wait a second. I have both. I have Apple, Blackberry and an iPhone 4.

Leo Laporte Really?

Shira Lazar Yeah.

Leo Laporte And I have both, AT&T and Verizon. Can you believe that?

Leo Laporte Well, I believe it, because I have Sprint, AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile. So.

But that’s our job. It’s like Peter, Cali, you – our job is to try all the phones as many as we can anyway, as much as we can stand.

Peter Rojas Yeah.

Shira Lazar To be honest, I haven’t been able to use the phone on this. The only way I call people – because I used this typically, but if this runs out of battery, I’ll go to my iPhone. Like I used to – is it to shoot video and just shoot pictures and upload to YouTube and then the apps, of course. But I’ve been using the Skype app to call people. How sad is that?

Leo Laporte Is that because you’re dropping calls on AT&T?

Shira Lazar Yes.

Cali Lewis That’s awesome.

Leo Laporte Oh, my. Is Apple in trouble?

Peter Rojas No.

Shira Lazar As a hardware, I mean it’s a cool device, but this might as well be just a mini computer and not a phone.

Leo Laporte Right. Very interesting.

Shira Lazar Yeah.

Cali Lewis Yeah, I was just talking to somebody today and they said exactly the same thing. It should be called an iComputer, and not an iPhone, because it doesn’t do phone calls well. And as much as we complain about AT&T, I think there is something to the hardware aspect on the iPhone.

Leo Laporte It’s a combination of both. Hasn’t it?

Cali Lewis It’s a combination, absolutely. But things are getting worse for me. And I’m still on a 3GS, so…

Leo Laporte And you’re in Dallas.

Cali Lewis Yeah, Dallas.

Leo Laporte Well – and here’s something nobody’s talking about. But people who use the iPhone 3, the [indiscernible] (33:56) model old iPhone, who have gone to IOS 4 are bitterly unhappy. There is a revolt going on. It is so slow and unusable. So a word of warning, anybody who’s still got an iPhone 3 and has not yet upgraded: don’t!

Although it puts you in an awkward position, because now you’re certainly out of the Apple universe.

Ray, you’re in Canada. So I don’t know if you count. iPhone…?


Ray Maxwell 3GS running IOS 4, runs just fine.

Leo Laporte Good.

Ray Maxwell On a Telus network and will tether.

Leo Laporte Alright. I think the 3GS is fine. Oh, it will tether, which is nice. That’s another thing that Droid X does nicely. You pay 20 bucks a month for it, but I traded in my MiFi, because basically this is a MiFi as well as a phone now, it does the WiFi tethering. I really like that.

Let’s move along. We did talk a little bit about quarterly results. Apple had a great quarter, Microsoft had a great quarter. We talked about this last week, Intel and AMD had a great quarter. In fact, AMD would have shown a profit for the first time in a long time. Is the PC industry coming back? Peter, do you have a thought on that?

Peter Rojas Well, I think that the – I think that Intel and AMD have tried to diversify their product lines, and I think that they’re both smart to introduce the low power chips. I mean Intel got further along than anybody else in getting Netbooks. I mean basically every Netbook is using an Atom processor and Intel is trying really hard to get smartphones and the smaller devices using Intel chips at all. And they’re actually encountering a little bit of resistance, but that’s one reason why they introduced MeeGo, which is a new mobile operating system that they did in partnership with Nokia.

Leo Laporte Is that a terrible name?

Peter Rojas It’s a terrible name.

Leo Laporte Okay.

Peter Rojas It’s a terrible name but I’m…

Leo Laporte ‘Mee-Go use phone.’

Peter Rojas But you know what the name it had before was?

Leo Laporte What?

Peter Rojas Moblin.

Leo Laporte Oh, yeah. Moblin. I’ve used Moblin.

Peter Rojas Which has kind of a D&D vibe to it.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

Peter Rojas So and I guess in that sense it wasn’t so bad. But I’m – I think that the regular PC market is very mature. And I think that we have to differentiate between a market that’s going to die and disappear – which I don’t think is going to happen any time soon – with one that has just reached maturity and has sort of stabilized and isn’t going to have a lot of its growth. Ray said earlier, it’s a commodity market and I think that’s exactly right, and I think that the most PC makers recognized that a long time ago and I think it’s one reason that HP bought Palm. I’m writing a thing about this right now which I’ll post on Engadget at some point, about why HP bought Palm. And it was because they looked at the future of computing and realized that it’s going to be about devices that are like the iPad.

Leo Laporte Yeah. The Slate – the fact is they’re going to do the Slate after all. A Windows 7 based tablet towards the end of the year, right?

Peter Rojas Yeah, I think it’s going to be just for enterprise users, and I think that it’s basically going to be something that they release and quietly shove aside.

Leo Laporte Yeah. And they don’t [indiscernible] (36:58) WebOS is where their heart is.

Peter Rojas It will be. They will definitely do a WebOS tablet. I don’t think we’ll see it this year, though.

Leo Laporte Oh, interesting.

Peter Rojas But I don’t think they have enough time. If they come out with something this year, if they actually release a product this year, I think it will be a shoddy product.

Leo Laporte Why is that?

Peter Rojas Well, it took – I mean I think Apple spent years working on the iPad and take so much time to customize the operating system and so much time to optimize the hardware. I mean the thing that Apple did with the iPad that people don’t think about, is that they spent a lot of time making sure that the processor was completely optimized for the mobile platform. And so you have great battery life, you have a super responsive user interface and those things take lot of engineering resources and a lot of time.

Leo Laporte That’s a good point. That A4 chip – now correct me, you probably know better than I – but I was told that if you know for instance you’re not going to support flash, you can actually customize the chip to be more efficient and leave that part out.

Peter Rojas Yeah, well, there are a lot of things that they did to optimize [indiscernible] (38:05).

Leo Laporte If you’re not going to have a camera, you don’t have to – you can make the processor simpler, things like that.

Peter Rojas Yeah.

Leo Laporte That’s interesting. So that’s one of the reasons. Now the A4 is in the iPhone 4 as well.

Peter Rojas Yes.

Leo Laporte And the iPhone 4 does have better battery life. Not as much as the iPad, but it does have battery life.

Peter Rojas It just has a much smaller battery than in the iPad.

Leo Laporte Right. It feels snappy. It certainly doesn’t feel sluggish.

Peter Rojas No.

Leo Laporte Yeah. So is this custom silicon? Is that what HP is going to have to do, that kind of thing? Or can they use an Atom?

Peter Rojas Well, I mean that’s one of the reasons why the Slate that they introduced running Windows 7 is so crappy, because it’s on an Atom processor. And Windows 7 is just not fast enough, especially if you’re going to start doing – you want responsive touch-based input for a tablet device. This is just not going to work. So I’m not sure that they’re going to do custom silicon, but I think that they are going to have to find a partner and maybe that will be Intel, maybe it will be Samsung. And Samsung is – really come a long way with its mobile processors. They’re going to have to come out with something that will be highly optimized to make a great WebOS tablet. I think that they have a good shot at doing it, but you have to keep in mind that HP doesn’t have a lot of experience building and developing their own consumer software platforms.

Leo Laporte Oh, that’s interesting. I guess not. They always use Windows, don’t they?

Peter Rojas Yeah, and people forget, but HP has actually been in the smartphone game for a really long time.

Leo Laporte With the iPaq?

Peter Rojas With the iPaq line, yeah. And they have – I mean the Glisten was the last one I think they put out, which says it all, right?

Leo Laporte [Laughter] It’s slick and coded with fat.

Peter Rojas Yes.

Shira Lazar Are you thinking that it will be like late next year or early next year?

Peter Rojas I think that they’re going to try really hard to announce something at CES. That would be my guess.

Leo Laporte We saw a lot of tablets announced at CES. We still have yet to see any of them. So --

Cali Lewis That was all of – that was going on is the --

Leo Laporte That an ebook readers. And none of them came out either, you know?

Shira Lazar Only 3D TVs, but who’s buying 3D TVs?

Leo Laporte Anybody here have a 3D TV?

Shira Lazar No.

Peter Rojas No.

Leo Laporte Who is buying – now they sold out, I can’t remember who it was who had the first ones out, but they sold them out, I think it was Sharp or something. They said they sold them out.

Shira Lazar Yeah, the numbers seem to imply that it’s being adopted at a faster rate than I would have ever expected. But I don’t know anybody with one.

Cali Lewis I feel like people buying this gigantic TVs are like sports fanatics who have game parties and they’re like, ‘okay, guys, we’re going to be able to watch it in 3D.’

Leo Laporte Right.

Cali Lewis And like that’s a huge part of America. There’s a lot of sports fan out there. Usually, the programs that get the most views are sports shows.

Leo Laporte It’s sports shows, sure, sure. I’m starting to feel like John C. Dvorak. He made a living saying ‘everything sucks.’ And I’m starting to feel like maybe that wasn’t such a bad strategy. 90% of everything that comes out in the tech industry does in fact, suck.

Now here’s an interesting story from the Yankee group. Let’s talk customer satisfaction. They say that according to the board Genius Reports, 73% of iPhone users are happy with AT&T. Of course. But they don’t say is that that means 20, 27% are not. Right? That seems like a large number that are not. Frankly, I’m so surprised they spun that as, ‘hey, good news!’

Shira Lazar Do we know what like, just take the iPhone out of it, on a normal satisfaction survey…

Leo Laporte Ah. That’s a good question.

Cali Lewis That’s the thing, how much it is really the iPhone versus the service, I think we’re having…

Leo Laporte Nobody knows, nobody knows. Although it’s my feeling that since it was consumer reports that Ding them for the antenna and they did their tests with, not with AT&T but with their own point, and in their own testing labs, seems to me that, well, maybe there is a problem with AT&T, but that if there is a problem with the iPhone, it’s independent of the carrier.

Now we have a lot of European listeners, a lot of Asian listeners and they’re telling me right now, in the U.K. the iPhone’s just fine. A lot of people are saying overseas, that they aren’t seeing the same problems that we see in the States. In fact a lot of people even the States who have good AT&T coverage are saying, we have never dropped a call.

Peter Rojas I just think it’s a combination of the antenna design and the coverage. And if you have excellent coverage and high signal strength, then you’re not going to see the problem.

Leo Laporte It covers a multitude of evils or sins.

Peter Rojas Right. And on the other hand, if you are in an area where you have weak signal strength, then it’s going to be sensitive to how you hold the phone.

Leo Laporte Well as long as we’re talking about customer satisfaction, Facebook: not so happy. 500 million unhappy users. It’s a little bit if a disconnect, Facebook now has half a billion users, they crossed that point, Diane Sawyer was the 500th – no she wasn’t, but they pretend.

Shira Lazar 501?

Leo Laporte 501, whatever. Half a billionth user. Now somebody pointed out – and this is actually kind of an interesting statistic – but there’s only about a billion people who could use Facebook, who have Internet access and a computer. That means half of the universe uses Facebook every month.

Peter Rojas Is that an active number? I mean [indiscernible] (43:36) signed up for an account.

Leo Laporte No, no, no. 500 million active users they say. Well, this is what they say, we don’t know.

Denise Howell I was actually impressed, I have a Luddite sister, she hates everything to do with technology. And I went to her house for planning some wedding stuff that she’s getting married, and she was sitting there using Facebook. I was like what are you doing? [Laughter] you hate technology, you hate the Internet.

Leo Laporte Well, I think that’s who loves Facebook.

Shira Lazar It seems to be.

Cali Lewis We forget that these things aren’t just about technology. I mean they started out as obviously techies create these platforms. But a lot like Twitter and Facebook, they’re about humanity. Even [indiscernible] (44:14) he said that about Twitter, it’s not just about technology, it’s about humanity. And I think as kind of techy geeks, we forget about that, that it’s going beyond this community. And when you see parents and just regular users that wouldn’t just necessarily be into tech using it, using it, it’s kind of had its tipping point, obviously.

Denise Howell Yeah. But is it the techies that are getting upset with Facebook that hate Facebook?

Leo Laporte Yes, it’s just like…

Shira Lazar [Indiscernible] (33:40) customer service, I mean do regular people really know how to even click for customer service on the site if they can’t even click their privacy options?

Denise Howell [Indiscernible] (33:50) of course, it’s a little easier than privacy, though.

Leo Laporte I do think people are aware of the privacy thing, I see people talk to me all the time about it now and when I do radio interviews and things like that, people ask about – they’re kind of aware of it, it’s that, there’s that buzz in the background. I don’t think they know what to do with it or whether it’s something to worry about, that’s what they want to know. They say to me, well, should I worry? That’s what they all say.

Shira Lazar I’m interesting in knowing what people are bothered about with Facebook, like what exactly are they going to the customer service for or trying to reach out for?

Leo Laporte Okay, well I’ll read you, this is the American Consumer – I’m sorry, American Customer Satisfaction index from 4C Results. Who are these people? I don’t know. There are a number of statistics that came out with.

For instance, number one when they asked the question ‘do you seek out recommendations for products or services on this site?’ Facebook number one. But it’s only 16% say yes. Then MySpace, Wikipedia and YouTube. Actually YouTube did a little better than Facebook on that.

‘Have you ever purchased products or services that were recommended to you on this site?’ Facebook didn’t do as well, YouTube was number one with 14%, Facebook number two at 12%, Wikipedia at 10%. Does Wikipedia recommend anything? I think these people are drunk.


Leo Laporte MySpace 8%.

Peter Rojas Sounds like there are preset options to choose from.

Leo Laporte It does. Maybe these things are worthless.

Shira Lazar And he was a market employee, to get all of us talking about it.

Leo Laporte Well, it worked. I’m talking about it. Social media ACSI Facebook 64%, or 64 is the score. MySpace 63. The average, 72. YouTube, 73. Wikipedia, number one with 77.

It did remind me – and I would like to just take a moment – and it has nothing to do with news – to say, I think if we look back 100 years from now at what the most – some of the most important developments were in technology, Wikipedia is going to rank right up there. And it – I don’t know if Jimmy Wales and the Wikipedia Foundation get enough credit. They have created an asset of such incredible usefulness that we just all take for granted. If you wanted to know something about a subject in the old days you’d go to the library, you might get what you needed, it would take you a long time. Three seconds from now I could find the information on anything. I could get an answer to almost any question, not just because of Google, but because of Wikipedia.

Peter Rojas And I love the fact that it is self-correcting. And I find that it is the site that I use more than any other site on the web.

Leo Laporte There you go. Me too.

Peter Rojas And I – you know me, I dig down into very deep technical topics. And I find it extremely accurate. And I mean even in color science, they’ve got it right.

Leo Laporte That’s – and that’s the thing when you are expert in the subject and you look at the Wikipedia article, 9 times out of 10, it’s very good.

Peter Rojas Yes.

Shira Lazar I think when it comes to information on products or technical sides of things or whatever, it’s really, really good. When it comes to people, not so much. Because people get emotionally involved in the editing of that. But if you take that side of it out, then Wikipedia is fantastic.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

Cali Lewis Sorry. I think all these sites like whether YouTube or Wikipedia that have crowd-sourced content material by like, regular folks are becoming – will seem in future years more legit. They will be the places we will be going to for content. I think the interesting next step would be if kind of official outlets like a news network or places like that would create partnerships with a site like Wikipedia as a place of legitimizing that, as a place for real information, not a place where random posting things.

Denise Howell What do you mean, then they are in control? That wouldn’t be good.

Shira Lazar No, no, no. But partnerships meaning that they are getting feeds from Wikipedia, meaning want to find out more about this subject, like’s being, it obviously like an encyclopedia, modern0day encyclopedia. But I think Wikipedia has never been really taken seriously, more and more so as they’re having a history of subjects and [indiscernible] (49:17) and events. They’re becoming more legit.

Leo Laporte I love it that Jimmy Wales could make you know, because the number of page hits, could make hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. The Foundation could make hundreds of millions of dollars every year. If they would just put a little bit of a Google ad on there. And even though they know that, they continuously, they continue to refuse that. They raise money, I donated, I don’t know 250 bucks the last time they asked for money. I just think they’ve stayed clean, they have a higher purpose and, I just wanted to give them a little props, that’s all.

Shira Lazar That’s – maybe that’s why we like them so, because they haven’t taken advantage of [indiscernible] (49:51) yet.

Leo Laporte Right! Everybody else is saying, how can they make money on this – and by the way, we’re going to break for an ad just a bit –


Leo Laporte But Wikipedia just goes out there and they keep plugging away with good information. Of course, it’s user generated, right. So it’s a little – ethically maybe a little challenging to try to make money off of that, Mahalo. That was mean.

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So privacy advocates going crazy this week because Wal-Mart said, we’re going to require RFID tags in the pants, actually, in the tag attached to the pants. And my friend, Jeff Jarvis, I think wrote a great article saying, come on, what is the privacy impact of this. People will know what my pant size is. What, they are going to search my garbage for the RFID tag? Is that --

Ray Maxwell There’s a key thing in the article. It says removable tags. These tags, as I read the story, are used inside the store to keep track of inventory.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

Ray Maxwell When you buy the pants, they remove the tag. They are not going to track you after you leave the store with the product. So now another author there commenting on this said, well, some people have RFIDs in their drivers’ licenses.

Leo Laporte And in passports, we do.

Ray Maxwell And so people are --

Leo Laporte We do in our passports. Yeah.

Ray Maxwell Yeah. And they are fearing that they will read those. But they can – all you have to have is a different digital code and make the equipments so that it’ll only read the code that’s appropriate for inventory control at Wal-Mart.

Leo Laporte If somebody has my driver’s license and you’re required to hand it over all the time now, when you use your credit cards and stuff, there is this mag stripe on the back that has all the information you need. All they have to do is swipe it without me noticing and they have got everything.

Now, somebody did – I was talking to a friend of mine who is a security expert, Shakeel, and he pointed out that on YouTube there is a video you can watch about RFIDs in passports. U.S. has been putting RFIDs in passports for a while. And there is a proof of concept video there where they use a long range RFID reader.

And hackers know, you can build – normally RFID, you scan it over something in its pretty close proximity. If you go to McDonald’s and you have that instant pay thing, you have to wave it over the thing. But apparently, you can make long range readers. These are – well, your FasTrak I think is something similar. They are passive devices but you’ve got something that reads it from 10 or 15 feet away.

And apparently, the U.S. uses fairly distinctive numbers in its RFID. So they showed people walking through trash cans, you know, walking around. And inside the trash can is an IED, a homemade bomb and a little RFID detector that just waits for the American citizen to walk by and then explodes. That’s a little scary. I don’t think it’s going to happen to my Wal-Mart pants.

Cali Lewis But --

Shira Lazar So isn’t this --

Cali Lewis Go ahead.

Leo Laporte You started, Cali, you first.

Cali Lewis [Laughter]

No. you go. No, you go. Yeah, the issue the privacy people have obviously is what are the implications for the future of anything to do with RFID.

Leo Laporte Right.

Cali Lewis They are constantly concerned that if we take one step, if we put one toe into the pool, then we’re just going to get all wet. And there is something to be said for that. But with tags that are removable with very weak signals that are going to be removed before we even take the pants out of the store, it’s not that big of an issue. And we are already using RFID so much in our lives that we don’t even think about and it’s not a security issue. So I think they take it kind of out of control, but at the same time, they are also trying to think towards the future.

Leo Laporte Right.

Cali Lewis And that’s a good thing as well.

Leo Laporte Yeah, I am not so worried about Wal-Mart.

Cali Lewis Right.

Leo Laporte Wal-Mart, it’s interesting because this is not the first time Wal-Mart proposed this. In fact, I think it was two or three years ago, Wal-Mart told its suppliers, every one of them was going to have to have RFID in every item if they wanted to sell it at Wal-Mart. I mean it makes sense. These guys must have an inventory challenge that is kind of unimaginable.

And in that case, it wasn’t the privacy advocates. It was the suppliers who said, hell, no, we’re not – what are you, crazy? But I think Wal-Mart’s moving close to that. And I suppose the day may come that they – I don’t know – while you’re driving home, everybody could – a bad guy could see what you bought, I don’t know

Shira Lazar Well, it’ll be easy to track if you think.

Cali Lewis Well, I think --

Leo Laporte Go ahead, go ahead, Shira.

Shira Lazar No, I think it’ll be easy to track anything at this point. And there is definitely inventory issues at all these types of stores. I have a family that are in the clothing business and you really need to keep track of things as the store grows more and more in some place like Wal-Mart I assume. But then I – what’s interesting with the passport thing because I would think with immigration, it could now become an interesting thing, if they say, we all need to have our passports on us at all times to see who is legal or not legal? And you have your RFID that said that.

Leo Laporte That’s a good point. They could scan your car as you go by. That’s a good point.

Shira Lazar Yeah, and imagine, that’s the way to stop – they could start stopping people on that way if we do come to the point where every state actually goes through what Arizona went through in terms of stopping anyone. They can do it based on RFIDs. That can be the future.

Leo Laporte I think there is some concern about it. By the way, they are pointing out in the chat room that the transponder on your FasTrak is not the same as RFID. I didn’t mean to imply that. I am just pointing out that you can make a reader that works somewhat similar. I am told by the bad guys. And then I love – go ahead, go ahead, Ray

Ray Maxwell Yeah, I think what we have to worry about is, they have a transponder that you can put in your pet now, inject it --

Leo Laporte Yeah, that’s good

Ray Maxwell And identify your pet. Well now, when they start – wanting to inject those in people when you’re born, then…

Leo Laporte We’ll wait till it’s there.

Cali Lewis That’s there.

Peter Rojas There was a company that was doing that, Digital Angel. I wonder whatever happened to them.

Leo Laporte Really?

Peter Rojas Yeah.

Leo Laporte Wasn’t – didn’t like a Mexican legislator had that implanted in case he was kidnapped?

Peter Rojas Yeah, Digital Angel, I think that they are still doing this. They do mainly for pets. But it is something that – they did at one point announce a product for people. And I know that there was a nightclub in Spain where you could pay with everything via an RFID chip implanted in your hand.

Leo Laporte See, I don’t mind that, if I could just wave my body in front of you --


Shira Lazar That means [indiscernible] (59:40) have people cutting off your pieces of your body like, if you have it right here, imagine, they can cut it off like – we getting into weird sci-fi territory here.

Leo Laporte Oh, that’s bad.

Cali Lewis Yeah, everyone will be in so much debt if we could do that!

Leo Laporte I’ll take it.

Cali Lewis If people decide to put it in themselves, that’s one thing, but putting in it when we are born, and just not giving us a choice, that’s an entirely different thing

Leo Laporte Yeah, I guess so.

Peter Rojas Right. When the government requires it, that gives me pause.

Leo Laporte A researcher trying to prove the frugality of social network security created entirely fictional analyst, listed her on Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn and other services. Gathered – this is from Wilson Rothman writing on, gathered over 300 friends from the U.S. military, the intelligence community and security companies, they interviewed her in Computerworld. Robin Sage, a figment of security researcher Thomas Ryan's imagination, an attractive 25-year-old woman with an MIT education, a job at the Naval Network Warfare Command and “over 10 years” of hacking experience, he got friends for Robin Sage who shared photos, personal information, conference invites and requests to review documents. Employment nibbles from Google and Lockheed Martin.

The funny thing is, people from the alleged schools Sage attended wanted nothing to do with her, people at MIT, said that they're very cliquey. Nobody from the CIA or FBI ever linked to her, despite his attempts. But she had 226 friends on Facebook, 206 on LinkedIn, and 204 on Twitter. Do you think what kind of uncritical of people that we meet in these environments especially for their attractive 25-year-old hackers.

Cali Lewis Certainly in they trust you know, but at the same time I think as a whole we – we moderate ourselves as a community and so I think that’s where we have to put our trust in as people sort of buy all the time but –

Leo Laporte Yeah, I mean there is a lot of people, I am sure there are a lot of people who are guys posing as girls or girls posing as guys, you know all of that stuff. Don’t you – I mean maybe this is – maybe this actually Cali is to your point, your less sophisticated sister might not know that that happens. Do you think she’s aware of that, I mean –

Cali Lewis No, she’s probably aware that it might happen but doesn’t put any thought into it whatsoever.

Leo Laporte So that there’s the risk.

Peter Rojas Hopefully Cali sister doesn’t have access to classified information. I don’t know, I’m just making an assumption.

Leo Laporte She might. It’s possible.

Cali Lewis It brings up an interesting thing you guys because The Boston Globe actually released the story, I think it was on Friday night about the Pentagon, they found they were checking out these porn sites and while they were on their government emails. So there’s obviously something going on with social networks and these sites and people actually logging in when they’re online, so people that work in the government, and it definitely brings up a security risk because then – if there is any – like if those sites have issues or any sort of like worms or things that are messed up you can go through the system and people could then have access to government files and everything.

Leo Laporte We never covered the Jessi Slaughter’s story on here which have broke a couple of weeks ago, but – since we have two women on the panel and social experts on the panel, I am wondering what you think, this is the 11-year-old girl who posted a bunch of videos on YouTube, a couple of with her dad just screaming at her and so forth, and she ended up 4chan’d and her mom says we had a – she’s had a safe house now on an undisclosed location, we had a – we’re getting death threats from her. Shira, what you – did you follow this story, what you think of that?

Shira Lazar Yeah. No, I did. I think it’s really difficult because there’s so many teens that – they have their own kind of personalities online that they become a bit viral in their community. But if you watch this video that she’s had on Tumblr account, she basically – she was using really bad language, calling people out, saying that she was going to shoot out – she was using some sort of really –

Leo Laporte She’s 11 years old, I mean it was so sad.

Shira Lazar I don’t think a lot of these teens realize that repercussions of what they’re saying – sorry – they create these videos or blogs and posts with their little community and they don’t realize that it can mentor beyond that. And so, I think what really we need to start creating kind of an etiquette or kind of guidelines and it’s like in terms in what people post I think parents are going to become use to approaching their kids about this type of stuff but I think that as kids grow up, they’re just going to become [indiscernible] (64:39) strangers are or get a candy from a stranger, they’ll learn what to do and what not to do online.

Leo Laporte I guess this is an outlier, I mean we can’t say this is, but listen this is – I’ll bleep out. For those of you listening at home live, you’re going to hear some stuff you might not want to hear. But I’ll bleep it out of the –

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Leo Laporte They’re basically asking for it, aren’t they? [Laughter]

Shira Lazar Yeah.

Leo Laporte That’s a great way to handle it. Just go mad.

Peter Rojas Doesn’t dad know where the on/off switch is of the computer?

Leo Laporte And of course now there’s remixes, auto tune versions of –

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Leo Laporte Oh please, I’m sorry –

Shira Lazar It’s sad I mean. But it sucks because it’s like a reality for them, actually that their lives are in danger.

Leo Laporte It is.

Shira Lazar But then this is the Internet and this is what happens.

Leo Laporte Yeah. We live in a world where – this is the Jersey Shore world now, I mean everything is spectacle and if it’s on website or on TV anything goes. I probably shouldn’t have played it.

Cali Lewis To your point, it’s certainly something that needs to be taken care of by the parents, it’s the new sex talk I guess, you know.

Shira Lazar Yes.

Leo Laporte There you go. You’re right.

Cali Lewis I agree.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

Cali Lewis So but parents need to understand maybe they’re needs to be like a campaign for educating parents on how to talk, maybe we need these videos for her parents but the parents are the ones that have to be able to educate their own kids and some of that will come by trial and error online and we’re still new to all of this. So it is at the beginning stages and it’s going to be trial and error.

Leo Laporte It’s going to assess.

Peter Rojas Yeah, I think there is a similar issue with people learning – how to trust and discern between different kinds of sources of information online.

Cali Lewis Yes.

Peter Rojas So I mean you see people passing along bad information all the time and I think that people – as we get sort of acclimated to the web for a while and still I mean even after 15 plus years, it’s still new for a lot of people that how this stuff works and the mechanics of how the web works and how information passes along and that not all sources are as good as other, and not every source is as good as every other, things that people have to learn and it takes a little while and you have to start to see bad information get pass along. I mean I think there is a whole – with the woman from the USDA I think it’s a perfect example of sort of video – edited video being posted to the web and it gets the woman’s fired and then it comes out that the video had a wider context to it, and I think that, it’s a very good example of the kind of new media skills that everybody needs to learn that you need to not take – not take everything at face value.

Leo Laporte Yeah, I like what you said Cali, it’s the new sex talk, although I think – speaking as a parent I think parents feel, let’s see, because they don’t know as much as their kids know, so –

Cali Lewis True.

Leo Laporte ...clearly this dad was more clueless than his daughter was. So how is a parent going to talk about that if they don’t get it?

Cali Lewis Yeah. It’s a good point. It’s like a new literacy that people need to learn. I mean should schools be teaching kind of getting to the parents and having social media people, like all of us kind of going into schools and talk – telling parents like really what they should be aware of and what they shouldn’t and how to react to situations like this properly so it doesn’t become like laughing stock of the Internet.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

Peter Rojas It could be like those fire safety assemblies we all had to go to in junior high.

Leo Laporte Stop, drop and roll. Stop, drop and stop tweeting.

Peter Rojas Put down the smartphone.

Leo Laporte I think what you – with the one thing that concerns me is maybe an overreaction on the part of authorities, parents and schools where they say, okay that’s it, no more Facebook, no more Twitter, you got to be 18 to use these things or something like that. I hate to see that too.

Cali Lewis Yeah, because we have so much brilliance also coming out of kids. They’re amazing, they have so much talent, but on the other hand you have the kids that are posting too much or going too far, and so yeah I would hate to see that you have to be 18, I mean that would –

Leo Laporte In some ways, you the poster go for that Cali, you decided you wanted to do an Internet show and it’s hugely successful and it’s just because of the Internet you could do that. And –

Cali Lewis Right.

Leo Laporte I mean, I guess we’re all kind of the beneficiaries.

Cali Lewis [Indiscernible] (69:30) but still, that’s happening with kids under at 16 and 14 that they’re finding success and finding talents that they wouldn’t have otherwise explored.

Leo Laporte Somebody in the chat room says, what about – maybe TWiT – [ph] Kasman (1:09:45) says maybe TWiT should do 5-minute PSAs that we distribute saying, hey kids here’s what not to do. I don’t know –

Ray Maxwell A lot of the schools have a consumer education classess --

Leo Laporte Right.

Ray Maxwell You know teaching kids about credit and the fact that credit cost you money and it’s – you know if you save up and buy something, well, they need the same kind of thing, I think aimed at the Internet and how to use the Internet and whatnot, you know.

Leo Laporte Actually you are in Canada, Ray, here in the States we just tie our kids into chairs and hope they survive four years. I don’t – you know what is the truth, actually in my kid’s high school, the public school that he went to briefly, this is why he’s not going anymore, it was a remedial class. The normal kids did not get credit education; only the remedial kids got credit education. Isn’t that nice, huh? How to balance a check book. Well, it’s remedial. The rest of you, you figure it out.

I’m going to take a break. We are going to come back. We have a great panel with us. Peter Rojas from; Cali Lewis of GeekBeat.TV, I want to hear about that; Shira Lazar from CBS, and of course the great Ray Maxwell of formerly Maxwell's House and a great friend of the twit network, it’s good to have you all on board. Two Canadians on the show today. I just want everybody to know.

Shira Lazar Yay.

Leo Laporte Two Canadians, one Texan and a New Yorker.

Shira Lazar We’re diverse.

Leo Laporte Yes.

Peter Rojas Originally from California though.

Leo Laporte Okay, we’ll let you off the hook.

Shira Lazar Just let him call you a New Yorker.

Peter Rojas I’ve only been here nine years.

Leo Laporte I think that counts. I think that counts, yes.

Shira Lazar That counts.

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Did any of you do – Cali did you do a day in a life – the Life in a Day video on Google yesterday?

Cali Lewis No, I didn’t.

Leo Laporte I didn’t. I forgot.

Cali Lewis I know. I’m bad.

Leo Laporte You are bad. Shira, you didn’t do it either?

Shira Lazar I tried to. I shot a few things and then I didn’t get back home in time to upload them. They should done it for Sunday, I’m surprised they --

Leo Laporte Oh, no, wait a minute, oh, no, it’s not too late. You just had to shoot it on that day. You have a week to upload it Shira.

Shira Lazar Really?

Leo Laporte Yes!

Shira Lazar But how can we know if you really shot it that day though?

Leo Laporte Oh, I guess they don’t care that much.

Cali Lewis So, we Leo, you and I could go ahead and --

Leo Laporte We could do one --

Cali Lewis Shoot something and upload it?

Leo Laporte Yes. I’m going to get yesterday’s newspaper.

Shira Lazar Now you are saying it, you have it on Twit, so we’ll know that you just did it afterwards.

Cali Lewis I don’t think they will mind, Leo.

Leo Laporte I think we get enough exposure, don’t you Cali? This is the site, it’s a YouTube idea, remember the Day in the Life videos? It’s kind of like that. The idea is – by the way, it’s two big-time directors doing this, Kevin McDonald and Ridley Scott. And so what will happen is they are going to – they asked everybody to shoot what they are up to on July 24 and then upload the video and yes, you a have a week Shira, and they said upload something, you know, that’s funny or interesting or something you really care about, not just, you know it could be mundane I guess, they are going to edit the best of these together and make a movie that I think they are going to show at Sundance --

Shira Lazar Sundance.

Leo Laporte Yes.

Shira Lazar I actually interviewed the director Kevin McDonald for my blog on

Leo Laporte This is a neat idea; I can’t wait to see this.

Shira Lazar Yes, it’s going to be premiered at Sundance in 2011 so that’s next January and yes, it’s a little bit of an experimental documentary for them because these are obviously two like huge big time --

Leo Laporte Yes.

Shira Lazar Hollywood directors, but I think it’s totally cool and it’s a great way to get the online community also kind of interested and engaged in more like long form featured format. And hopefully if it’s in theaters too you’ll have the people that are in YouTube and theaters watching the movie as well.

Leo Laporte Did you – so what did you shoot?

Shira Lazar Me?

Leo Laporte Yes.

Shira Lazar Oh, well I was at a concert with MIA yesterday and so I kind of shot all day just going from work at CBS news at 5:30 in the morning to walking around New York, you also had to answer these questions, what do you love, what do you fear and what’s in your purse or in your pocket, and so bedsides actually documenting your day you had to answer these questions which will be interesting because it’ll kind of show those – slice those up – those emotions up into little pieces --

Leo Laporte Right.

Shira Lazar And then I did a video of a guy dancing at this electronic DJ thing yesterday with his shoes on his hands, it’s kind of like one of those wacky dancer guys like big guy.

Leo Laporte I think that’s what’s going to make it into the movie, that’s the bit you got to submit.

Shira Lazar I didn’t really do anything that like – no, I swear, I’m uploading that to YouTube, it’s a freaking hilarious video today.

Leo Laporte What’s the biggest viral video any of you guys have – how many – what’s the biggest number of hits you guys have done? Anybody have a million hit video? Cali, what, do you know what your --?

Cali Lewis I think the “Digg The Code” did.

Leo Laporte Digg The Code, the one you did with Jeff, and that code that was the --

Cali Lewis HD DVD code that got broke.

Leo Laporte Crack code that was that Digg blocked and then forget it because everybody put it on. That was good. I’m sure that got more than a million hits. Absolutely.

Cali Lewis Yes, I think that did.

Leo Laporte Dvorak’s got a – the stupidest video I’ve ever seen, it’s a Barney doll in his bathroom singing I love you or whatever, and it’s got well over a million hits on. I don’t even – it’s like what! So it – that took the kind of the --

Cali Lewis Things that we watch as online users, crazy.

Leo Laporte It’s hard to believe.

Shira Lazar How long has this video been up? Like all those videos that you guys are talking about?

Leo Laporte I don’t know; we have a video that’s almost got a million views now, and it was just something we did one off on live when, remember the “I’m on a horse” video, so that was around January, that’s Old Spice guy, before he was famous. When that video first came out we interviewed the guys so the creative who had written the commercial at Wieden+Kennedy and shot it, and because we were – we didn’t know how they made it so they walked us through shot by shot how they made that, and that’s had almost a million hits, that’s probably my biggest one, that or swearing at Mike Arrington, I’m not sure.

Ray Maxwell I was going to say, I think surely that one’s had a million Leo.

Leo Laporte You know, I ran into Mike, it was really funny, I ran into Mike at Foo Camp a couple of weeks ago, and he was like – like this and a guy said, oh don’t hit him, and I said, what are you talking about, Mike and I get – we get along fine, I apologized to Mike and we talked and stuff, but I will never live that down, they say that video now has 1,191,000 views, so I guess that’s my biggest.

Peter Rojas That’s your legacy Leo.

Leo Laporte Isn’t that sad? So sad.

Peter Rojas That’s what you’ll be remembered for.

Leo Laporte Yes.

Shira Lazar Leave that in your will to your children. You can --

Leo Laporte I – to my kids, I give “Screw you Mike Arrington”.

Shira Lazar You give the Google AdSense to your kids.

Leo Laporte Now, somebody told me- I haven’t done this yet, but they did it on – Brian Brushwood did it on NSFW, if you turn on the captioning on it, you know how they do the – now YouTube has captioning but it’s really awful, it’s like no good.

Shira Lazar Yes, it’s terrible.

Leo Laporte Apparently it’s very funny on that one, is that right John, am I right? Is that the video that they showed that ends up something about, instead of saying “Screw you” it says “But Cuba”.

Ray Maxwell It must be automated.

Leo Laporte It’s completely automated. It’s like, huh! But Cuba, so that’s become the tag line.

Ray Maxwell It loses something in the translation, Leo.

Leo Laporte It does, doesn’t it? I feel sorry for anybody who was reading the transcript instead of listening to the full language of the --

Ray Maxwell The full delivery, body language and it must be seen on video absolutely.

Leo Laporte I’m so sorry that that’s recorded because it’s like one of my most embarrassing moments in life, and of course that’s the one that gets remembered.

Cali Lewis I just wonder if the people who have to read the captions are thinking that the entire world has gone nuts.

Leo Laporte Yeah. When Google did this, it was like, well thanks Google but I can’t imagine anybody using this. Maybe they’ll get better. We’re going to end on a serious note; there is a very serious Windows vulnerability that affects every version of Windows for the last 10 years including Windows NT, all the way up to Windows 7. We talked about it on Security Now. And if you haven’t listened to this week’s Security Now, you probably want to. The sad thing is there is no fix for this, and there probably won’t be a fix until Microsoft – at the earliest till Microsoft’s regular cycle updates in the second Tuesday of August. They call it the LNK zero-day USB zero-day. If you read Microsoft Security Bulletin 2286198, it’s a vulnerability in the Windows shell code that renders shortcut icons. These are the .LNK files.

This vulnerability has been there for 10 years. It has survived multiple code reviews. Remember how Steve Ballmer said, ‘we are going to review every bit of code in Windows XP and Windows Vista is going to be the most secured code we’ve ever written, there will not be a single flaw and’ – it got right through it, no problem at all. And bad guys have discovered this attack. There are already websites that take advantage of it. The ISC warns “prepare for extensive attacks of Windows zero-day”. What happens is, you go to a website, and by the way PIFF files as well can be subverted. The first samples were on USB keys. So it was – it would install itself on a USB key rootkit itself so that nobody could see it, and then it would copy itself to the next computer and the next computer and every time you used a USB key, it would copy it to all other computers. But now it’s out there, it’s all over the place. Metasploit which is a commonly used tool from hackers, it’s in Metasploit. It’s everywhere. Microsoft’s fix for this is to turn off the short-cut rendering engine, so that’s a quick workaround, but all your shortcuts, all your – will suddenly become – LNK files will suddenly become blank icons.

Siemens already has been infected. The Siemens SCADA equipment, which I think is a router, has been infected. If you want to fix it, there is Microsoft fix-it tool at 2286198 that disables shortcut icon rendering, but it is not a long-term fix. And in fact, it may – I wouldn’t be surprised if it is only a temporary fix as hackers work around that. So this is a very serious vulnerability.

You know, I talked about it on the radio show and I almost don’t like to because there is nothing you can do, it’s like, sorry.

Ray Maxwell And if they do bring out a fix, how far back are they going to go?

Leo Laporte Right. Well they don’t – they don’t fix –

Ray Maxwell You know, I mean are they going to go back and send…

Leo Laporte ’95? Yeah, I mean what are they going to fix?

Ray Maxwell Yeah.

Leo Laporte I don’t know. You know, I don’t really know what to say about this. You want to yell at somebody, but I don’t know who you yell at.

Shira Lazar I was saying it’s like the BP oil spill.

Leo Laporte It is. It’s very much like that. That’s a really good – it’s very much like that. It’s like – it’s like – this is horrible. Who do we get mad at? I don’t know. Obviously you guys are – you all use Macs, don’t you? I can tell.

Cali Lewis You’re like, this Windows stuff? Okay.

Leo Laporte You are all sitting there smugly going, well, that didn’t bother me, ah. I don’t have a problem.

Peter Rojas I have Parallels, I have two or three programs that I have to run from time to time, so. And by the way, one of them is an RC helicopter simulator. That’s very important.

Shira Lazar Oh, nice [Laughter].

Leo Laporte Well, that could be infecting your computer right now! So and finally. we’ll end up with this, the most important story. I thought it might be that Windows story, but no, this is more important. The Queen has joined Flickr. The British monarchy now has a photo stream on Flickr. The address is

Cali Lewis Why didn’t they name it the Queen?

Leo Laporte Well, it’s not just the Queen. It’s the Queen Mother, it’s the Duke of Edinburgh, Queen Anne, Queen Margaret, you know, it’s the family.

Cali Lewis Yeah, okay.

Leo Laporte The whole family.

Shira Lazar They should have called it the Royal Family.

Leo Laporte Yeah. There you go.

Cali Lewis Yeah. That would have been better. It’s got to be something better than that.

Shira Lazar Their social media person just obviously doesn’t --

Leo Laporte But they are doing some things right. Look, it has a little map. This photo was taken July 18, 2010 in Upper Marham, England. So they have a little map with a dot. Now we have an actual British person in the studio today. He brought me chocolates from Harrods. So Kris, what – pull up a microphone over there, Kris. We are going to get Kris’ point of view. What do you think of the Queen having her own Flickr stream? Are you excited, Kris? Come on, admit it, you are excited.

Kris Chaplin I can’t say that I’m excited. I think it’s another one of those things where the Monarch is still trying to become relevant --

Leo Laporte Be relevant. It’s a medieval institution but it has a Flickr page. Does she have a Twitter? You don’t know. She has an iPod, anyway. Well, wait a minute. I should be asking you, Ray, and you, Shira, you are members of the British Commonwealth.

Ray Maxwell Not only that, when she comes to Canada she is in residence.

Leo Laporte Oh, yeah.

Ray Maxwell You know. So you know, we still have a monarch in Canada and she is it.

Leo Laporte Wait a minute, you are from Montreal. Do you bow down to the British monarch, Shira Lazar?

Shira Lazar Yeah, I seek advantage for any way to be connected to Europe because I like the euro connection. I think that we should start a Twitter protest to get the Queen on Twitter.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

Shira Lazar Like the Dalai Lama, like Betty White with SNL.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

Shira Lazar I think we should, you know Leo, to get the queen on Twitter.

Leo Laporte ‘Oh dear, had tea sandwiches today, the crusts were cut off.’

Shira Lazar We can all do tea time with her virtually everyday.

Leo Laporte Tea time. It’s a very good idea.

Shira Lazar It’d be awesome.

Ray Maxwell Surely, she could host Saturday Night Live maybe, you know, we could --

Leo Laporte Somebody said the Twitter – the Queen’s Twitter handler should be ‘hello, hello, from the Queen! Hello!’ Alright, enough of that silliness. Tell me about GeekBeat.TV. You are on Revision3 now, Cali Lewis, that’s great news.

Cali Lewis I’m very excited to be partnered with Revision3. And so GeekBeat.TV is kind of what you’ve always, you know, expected from me, three to five minutes of technology, news and gadgets and all the fun stuff that I’m passionate about --

Leo Laporte So you are not changing the format at all. It’s still – it’s similar to --

Cali Lewis Well, it is a new look and feel, so it’s a little – it’s slightly different. But it’s – yeah, I’m very excited and I feel a new energy and a new passion with the new show, and some good things coming up very, very soon too. So actually launching a new show coming up here called WebBeat.TV and that’s not out yet, but we are looking for a logo. So --

Leo Laporte Cool. You are crowd sourcing that, huh?

Cali Lewis Yes.

Leo Laporte Did you crowd source the GeekBeat – I like the logo on this.

Cali Lewis I did. I really like my new logo. It’s --

Leo Laporte I love it.

Cali Lewis I call that little guy Dexter.

Leo Laporte Yeah, he’s definitely a pointdexter. I love it. GeekBeat.TV and it’s three to five days a week – how many days a week is it?

Cali Lewis It’s three days a week.

Leo Laporte Three days a week. Still the hardest working woman after me.

Cali Lewis You’re not a woman, Leo.

Leo Laporte Okay. So there you go. You got it all to yourself. Shira Lazar, there are so many things, I don’t even know where to start. CBS, of course, you’ve got your blog there, what is the – what is the address of that?

Shira Lazar and I also host a livestream during the Early Show on Saturdays,, but you could find it all On The Scene.

Leo Laporte I always --

Shira Lazar The digital trends and web culture --

Leo Laporte I always feel sorry for you when I see you, it’s like three in the morning, you got to go.

Shira Lazar I know, but we actually get – you’d be surprised, you have a lot of people watching that aren’t just in the States and in Canada but all over the world, to – it’s day time there and they want to watch American TV and so I do that, I host a lot of live streams for a lot of events, so lot of premiers and yeah, I’m kind of having fun online.

Leo Laporte Very cool.

Shira Lazar So like that --

Leo Laporte On The Scene on and is a great place to go, you get all the information --

Shira Lazar Yes, so everything is here, that’s a hub for everything.

Leo Laporte Ray Maxwell, everybody was so sad when I brutally, viciously canceled Maxwell’s House but you spent more time on the TWiT network ever since, so I --

Ray Maxwell There you go.

Leo Laporte I hope they’ll cut me some slack @colorguy on Twitter, still doesn’t have a webpage, that’s why I fired you right, you know that right.

Ray Maxwell That’s wrong.

Leo Laporte No one on – you can’t be on his network if you don’t have a webpage.

Ray Maxwell I have one but I’m not proud of it --

Leo Laporte Okay, that’s different. None of us are proud of it. I’m not proud of mine either but I got one. Go to squarespace, right? It’s nice to have you here, thanks for joining us @colorguy on Twitter. And Peter Rojas is keeping very busy I’m sure at what a great site. You added the news recently the gadget news. What else is going on in GDGT.

Peter Rojas Yeah, we’re doing a big event in Seattle on Tuesday night, so if you are anywhere in the Pacific Northwest and want to play with a bunch of gadgets, we’re doing Showbox Soto, which if you live in Seattle you probably know it is a music venue. And we’re going to have like a couple dozen different tech companies showing off new toys and gadgets and stuff like that, like you’ll be able to see like the Windows – Windows Phone 7 will be there and a bunch of other stuffs.

Leo Laporte What do you think of that? Oh so you’ve played with that Samsung Developers model that they gave out?

Peter Rojas I played with an earlier one; it’s actually pretty nice --

Leo Laporte Yeah, Paul Thurrott was talking about it on Windows Weekly this week. He’s had it for a while but he can – I guess they finally lifted the embargo on it --

Peter Rojas Yeah, I think it’s just the problem is it very late for the game now.

Leo Laporte Yeah, Microsoft even said this Steve Ballmer said that we missed the cycle but maybe they are in time for the – I don’t know –

Peter Rojas It’s going to be a long haul, this is going to be like World War III and it’s going to be a – trench warfare between all these different platforms, but I think that the sooner that Microsoft can get this thing out the better off they’re going to be.

Leo Laporte I have to say, I think Microsoft has done some very innovative things with this new Windows Phone 7, what I’ve seen of it. And I think that’s good, for one thing they’re trying to think in a more modern way, even the iPhone still has its kind of – has its heritage and it seems like the designers of Microsoft were told, look cut the cord, do something completely different, so it’s got that Zune kind of --

Peter Rojas They started it completely over.

Leo Laporte …the metro interface and all that.

Peter Rojas Which is really nice.

Leo Laporte Yeah. I’m very interested, so well we’ll see. Those will be coming out I think October or November.

Peter Rojas Yeah, this fall.

Leo Laporte What’s your favorite? What’s you hot gadget these days? What do you like? You like the Droid X, I know.

Peter Rojas I do like the Droid X, I just got the 27-inch iMac, I got it on Friday.

Leo Laporte Isn’t that amazing, that’s just too big, I’m sorry, that’s too big.

Peter Rojas No, it’s not too big, in fact I have a 24-inch LCD right next to it, like I have stuff like, just surrounded by screens right now. This is actually lighting me right now.

Leo Laporte It is. You don’t need light panels, you’ve got an iMac.

Peter Rojas Don’t need anything, you just need an iMac on full bright.

Leo Laporte You actually look like you are in an interrogation chamber, come to think of it.

Peter Rojas Well, I just built this home-office and it’s like a tiny little – yeah, it has kind of a Guantánamo Bay kind of vibe to it.

Leo Laporte Live from Gitmo, Peter Rojas! Well, it’s great. It’s great to talk to you Peter, thank you for joining us, And Ryan and Veronica I hope you beat Maria Sharapova that’s all I can say.

Peter Rojas Now she is twitting I didn’t play her, she was just giving me tips. That’s what a loser will say.

Leo Laporte Yeah, you got her. Don’t forget we’re going to be live from Detroit, we’re going to the MotorCity, Friday we’ll be broadcasting, I think it’s going to be around 11 or Noon Pacific Time, but watch the TWiT calendar at for the exact broadcast time from the Rouge factory, the amazing virtual reality stuff they have at the foreplay, how they design cars in the 21st century I cannot wait to do that. The next day, we are at the Maker Faire at the Henry Ford Museum, come by we’d love to see you. We are doing an event a little meet up, just a small meet up, it’s just me at the Hyatt Dearborn on Friday. I guess that’s the 30th of July seven to 10 P.M. Look for the sign I think it’s the Archimedes lounge although we are getting RSVPs that indicate that we may in fact be too big for the facilities, so just look for signs, if we’ve had – if we had to go to Tiger Stadium, we’ll leave a sign saying we’re at Tiger Stadium instead never mind, I think --

Shira Lazar You didn’t expect a small number of people, did you, Leo?

Leo Laporte I don’t know, I see Kevin Rose and they get 2,500 people showing up at their meet-ups, you probably get hundreds of thousands of people at your meet-ups. I’d be happy with ten. Ten fat guys, ten sweaty fat guys, who want me to sign their mouse pads, that’s all I need. It’s usually what I get by the way. So I don’t know. We’re going to have fun. It’s going to be great. I can’t wait. I haven’t been to the Detroit area in years. We did have a signing there for TechTV probably ten years ago. So I’m looking forward to that.

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