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Episode 262


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This is TWiT, this WEEK in TECH, Episode 262, recorded August 22, 2010, The Bozo Filter.

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It’s time for TWiT, this WEEK in TECH, the show that covers the technical universe, all the new stories. We don’t actually gather news. We don’t actually report on news. We don’t do anything really except sit here and read other peoples’ reporting and talk about it.

And I’ve got a perfect cast for that today. Joining me from St. Paul – and the St. Paul Pioneer Press, Julio Ojeda-Zapata.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Hey, Leo.

Leo Laporte It’s good to have you back.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Thank you.

Leo Laporte and I haven’t had him on in ages and we’ve really missed you. John C. Dvorak. You have to have a signature.

John C. Dvorak I don’t think that works.

Leo Laporte Eeeeeee

John C. Dvorak Yeah, I’ll come up with something. I think maybe a Tarzan’s thing would be better

Leo Laporte You know, the other day on the radio –

John C. Dvorak Hello, Leo.

Leo Laporte Heloooooo, the other day on the radio, the guy called me up who created the signature, I see you, huh.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, I remember that guy.

Leo Laporte He is an actual announcer. And he does Family Feud. So he’s the guy that coined Family Feuuud.

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Leo Laporte He’s famous for elongated vowels.

John C. Dvorak What’s that guy’s name?

Leo Laporte I can’t remember his name. Nice guy. He actually – I asked him to do it on the show, and he said, and now, Leooooo Laporte.

John C. Dvorak Did you keep it?

Leo Laporte No.

John C. Dvorak Sounds like a keeper

Leo Laporte I should be a keeper.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, I’d use that.

Leo Laporte This is episode 262, if you want to follow along, those of you watching at home live, we do, do this live at every Sunday afternoon 3 PM Pacific, 6 PM Eastern, 2200 UTC. You can go to for this particular – go ahead creak the microphone, John, John, When I used to – Julio, you just have to put up with him. When I used to do radio with John, I gave him a computer with sound effects. And I said, knock yourself out because he would just get bored.

John C. Dvorak That was a mistake to do that.

Leo Laporte It was a huge mistake.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, I would just soon do a whole show with sound effects.

Leo Laporte I would – I think you did.

John C. Dvorak I think a couple of times maybe.

Leo Laporte I still have those sound effects if you need them.

John C. Dvorak You sent me the disc.

Leo Laporte You have them all?

John C. Dvorak I have all of them. The thing I wanted the – the time is 6 AM and –

Leo Laporte 3 AM and –

John C. Dvorak Yeah, you have it somewhere, don’t you?

Leo Laporte Yeah, right here.

John C. Dvorak You should be able to bring that up in a second.

Leo Laporte I can play it for you

John C. Dvorak It’s a classic.

[Sound Effect]

Leo Laporte Julio’s an actual journalist who’s saying, how did I get here?

John C. Dvorak So the point is my copy of that has deteriorated. I don’t know what happened –

Leo Laporte Oh, let me send it to you.

John C. Dvorak I need that one, yeah.

Leo Laporte We for the longest time did not know where that sound effect came from. And finally, somebody said it’s from a Dennis the Menace episode. Mr. Wilson gets a short wave radio, and that’s what he picks up.

John C. Dvorak Yep.

Leo Laporte Which is kind of bizarre. So before we get to the actual stories of the day, and there are some wacky stories today, for instance, Intel spending $7.68 billion on McAfee, of all things. I’m just going to say it right now – I’m going to say it right upfront, we’re just going to get it out of the way, I’m not going whine about Buzz on this show.

John C. Dvorak I wanted to hear about this.

Leo Laporte Okay, let me whine about Buzz for a little bit. My resolution didn’t last long, did it? What would you say if you – you buzzed on Twitter, what would you say if you were posting on Twitter and thinking it was working fine, but for six weeks everything you are posting was visible only to you, nobody else.

John C. Dvorak Oh, bozo filter.

Leo Laporte You think that’s what happened?

John C. Dvorak Yeah, that’s what it is.

Leo Laporte Because I was complaining about Verizon, Google maybe they put me into the bozo filter.

John C. Dvorak That could be. That’s what it’s called. That’s what it is. That’s what it does.

Leo Laporte Because I was posting on Buzz, I was seeing it.

John C. Dvorak We used to use a bozo filter at’s forums.

Leo Laporte So people think they are posting.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, you get a bozo, and you say this guy is just driving us crazy, and then you say, okay, put him on the bozo filter. And they put him on and his IP, when he posts it, no one would see it but him. So you’re bozoed out for some reason.

Leo Laporte What was – yeah, but the thing is I should have noticed because normally, there’ll be some engagement when I post something. There will be comments. There will be likes, whatever, often dozens, there was nothing. It was just dead silence. But I was traveling. I was posting mobilely. So I wasn’t really paying that much attention. And Friday night, I am looking at this and there’s – nobody’s there. Nobody’s seeing what I’m posting. And not only that, I used – I was – hey, I committed myself to Buzz thoroughly.

John C. Dvorak This was Google Buzz that you did.

Leo Laporte Google Buzz. I put all of my eggs in the Buzz basket so to speak and I –

John C. Dvorak You actually convinced me to put – you convinced me to put a profile on Buzz based on I heard –

Leo Laporte Yeah, I like Buzz. I like the idea of Buzz.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, so I was in.

Leo Laporte I like the idea because unlike Twitter where you can’t really have a conversation on Twitter. You can try but it’s not intended for that.

John C. Dvorak Even with messaging, you can’t.

Leo Laporte Yeah, it’s really hard. But Buzz, you make a post. Somebody can comment. I mean it worked. So I put a lot – I really put my heart and soul into that thing. And in fact, this is the thing that really kills me. When I start a show, as I just did now, I would put it on Buzz. I would say the show is starting. You can discuss it here. You can watch it here. And that would automatically go to Twitter.

John C. Dvorak Sure.

Leo Laporte So I was kind of counting on Buzz to do all this without my knowledge.

John C. Dvorak Well, you did something. You did something to yourself. You must have said –

Leo Laporte You think I bozoed myself out?

John C. Dvorak There must have been a filter that caught something and then, boom; you got ended up on the bozo filter.

Leo Laporte Well, then the next thing that happened is that –

John C. Dvorak Did you figure out what it was?

Leo Laporte Well, I wrote a blog – no, well, here is what happened. I wrote a blog post late last night. I should never write blog posts after midnight.

John C. Dvorak Nobody should.

Leo Laporte Nobody should. Julio, did you ever write late night blog posts that you regret?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Oh, absolutely

Leo Laporte I think the thing that I regret most is at the end saying, screw you, Buzz! But I thought the title was quite clever. Did you find my lipstick because I have been looking for it?

John C. Dvorak Yeah, I was wondering what this is doing here.

Leo Laporte Thank you. What the hell? Who left their – anybody missing…

John C. Dvorak It’s one of your –

Leo Laporte We have females in the studio.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, I think it’s –

Leo Laporte It’s a little weird. Oh, I think that’s Sarah Lane’s shade. Let me just put it on my collar.

John C. Dvorak Interesting.

Leo Laporte So.


John C. Dvorak Not your collar. Get a little attention.

Leo Laporte That’s straight out of Mad Men. Do you ever watch that show?

John C. Dvorak Yeah, I am addicted to it.

Leo Laporte Me too. It’s the greatest show. It’s funny because Jason has a thing where they synopsize the plot of a show.

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Leo Laporte I don’t know. It’s a Mahalo thing. And I read the synopsis of the plot and I realized the plot has absolutely nothing to do with the show. The show – you don’t watch the show for the plot of Mad Men

John C. Dvorak No, of course not.

Leo Laporte You watch the show for the silences, like, what the hell was that? Last night on Mad Men –

John C. Dvorak Don’t tell me, don’t.

Leo Laporte No, I won’t, it’s not a spoiler. But at the end of the show, it’s the last scene of the show, you watch it carefully. There is a little old lady walking down the hall, it’s Don Draper’s apartment building, walking down the hall, and the guy at the end says, did you get any pears? And she doesn’t answer. He says, did you get any pears? She doesn’t answer. Did you get any pears? And then she says, we’ll talk about it inside. And they go in. And that’s it. That’s it. That’s the scene. That’s why I love that show.

John C. Dvorak My daughter likes the show.

Leo Laporte Really? How old she is?

John C. Dvorak She is 16.

Leo Laporte That’s amazing. That’s showing some real taste.

John C. Dvorak Well, she likes the show, seriously likes the show. She likes the characters. She likes the kind of non-action and the development.

Leo Laporte It’s subtle.

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Leo Laporte So the thing, the lipstick on the collar that’s very out of the 60s, you know, the ad guy goes into Manhattan, comes back, he’s got those lipstick on his collar. That’s –

John C. Dvorak My wife kind of likes it only because of Robert Morse, who was by the way in San Francisco last week and I went and chatted with him.

Leo Laporte Really?

John C. Dvorak Yeah

Leo Laporte He was the star of How to Succeed in Business?

John C. Dvorak He plays one of the characters on it.

Leo Laporte He’s the – he’s the Sterling or is he Cooper?

John C. Dvorak He’s one of the two.

Leo Laporte He’s one of the original ad agency guy. He’s a real character, doesn’t wear shoes.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, he says that the guy who produced that, who produced the Sopranos and a bunch of other stuff for HBO was seriously hurt by the fact that HBO wouldn’t pick this show up.

Leo Laporte Well, HBO made a big mistake

John C. Dvorak Yeah, I think it was the stupidest thing they’ve done.

Leo Laporte Best show on television. Julio, are you still there?

John C. Dvorak Yeah, we’re boring you stiff, Julio. Do you ever watch TV?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata So, Leo, I got a question for you. I read your blog post.

Leo Laporte Yeah, so here’s – I’ll synopsize it very quickly, which is –

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Okay.

Leo Laporte I’ve been posting for three weeks. And okay, Buzz is broken, but that’s not the real point. The point is no one noticed that it wasn’t getting published. I didn’t even notice. So clearly, this is not my failure or Buzz’s failure. This means social media is mindless dribble, nobody’s listening. It’s an echo chamber.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Here’s my question. This is the first time I am hearing this from the horse’s mouth as it were I read a couple of stories about this on other sites and the gist of those stories is that you are down on social media in general. I can understand the Buzz complaint but are you extrapolating to social media as a whole?

Leo Laporte Don’t you think, now let’s be honest?

John C. Dvorak I think the chat room has it right.

Leo Laporte What do they say?

John C. Dvorak I have been right about this all along.

Leo Laporte Yes, John was right, and I hate to admit it and you know, what I really hate, okay, so I think there is a continuum on the Internet between the traditional old way of doing it which is a blog post, which is what I wrote, where it’s your site, people come to your site participate with you on your site and then there is the other side of the continuum which is Twitter which is, it’s their site you are posting on their site. It’s a public square where everybody is posting at once.

John C. Dvorak And it’s cloud.

Leo Laporte And, so yeah, and it’s cloud. Well it’s all kind of cloud but at least I can backup, right, so there is the continuum and it strikes me that neither side is exactly right. You don’t want to just post in your own little corner of the world, but nor do you want to just kind of put everything that you do out on somebody else’s site where you don’t control it and it basically turns into ephemera because once it scrolls off Twitter it’s dead, it’s gone.

So I am wondering if there is something in the middle and I was thinking, I am thinking, oh my God, I hate to admit this. There is something in the middle. It’s called Facebook and, God, I can’t tell you how much it galls me to admit it. But Facebook is, you have got your own Facebook page right, which is your thing. When you say you like something you have a circle of larger ever widening circles of friends all the way out from everyone to intimates, you choose who gets to see it. People can interact with you on your page but when they do it shows up on their page, so it’s kind of like the public commons. So anyway, Julio go ahead, what is your reaction to this.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata So, I am trying to understand your point and…

Leo Laporte You are not alone.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata But, I look at this in a slightly different way, I just heard you say that when you post something on Twitter it’s ephemera it vanishes.

Leo Laporte You wrote a book on Twitter, so you defend Twitter.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Well yeah, I am going to defend Twitter here. I don’t look at Twitter as a location. I have a home page, I am setting up a home page I have a Facebook page, I hate Facebook but I have a page, my high school class is planning its next reunion and they have a page for that on Facebook. I get all that. Twitter and by extension Buzz I think is different. It’s not about the place online, you’re not sticking a stake in the ground and this is my place on Twitter, that’s not really the point. The point is the relationships that you forge, the friendships that you make.

Leo Laporte Okay, I hear people say that but do you really forge friendships? Do you really have conversations on Twitter? Let’s put aside Buzz whether there actually are threaded conversations. You can’t really have a conversation on Twitter, can you?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Well, Twitter has been one of the single most rewarding elements of my life in recent years. I can’t overstate the fact, forget that I wrote a book about this, that’s not really the point. My personal experience with Twitter has been hugely rewarding, I’ve made profound professional connections, very good friendships. I constantly find people on Twitter that happen to live nearby that I make a lunch date with them, forge theses incredible friendships. It’s all about relationships. If you go to a party you meet people, you make friends with them. The venue is not important. The party can by anywhere. It’s that the venue or the location is not the point. The point is the connections you are making with people and those connections that I made with people have been amazing.

I saw like a big Twitter, Twitter cheerleader but it, as somebody who is married, who has a child, who got responsibilities at home, I don’t have time to go out in to the physical world and physically make friends. I just, I just don’t have the bandwidth or the time or the ability to do that. Twitter has been an incredible substitute for me and it’s been one of the single, I can’t overstate. It’s been one of the single most rewarding things in my life as of late.

Leo Laporte I can’t decide whether that’s good or…

John C. Dvorak I met up with a bunch of guys in Portugal using Twitter as a tweet up with a bunch of locals and shooting photographs with some professionals and we had a good time I would have never seen these spots in Lisbon if it hadn’t been taken around.

Leo Laporte Yes, no, I think absolutely and there is some value to it. I am not saying it’s valueless; I just want to – I have to re-think what its value is because it isn’t really a place to put and create content, is it or is it Julio, is it?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Absolutely not.

Leo Laporte Okay. Maybe I thought it was, I thought it was a microblog, a little blog.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata No, no wait, well let me back up. As a journalist, as a writer I take enormous pride in crafting a perfect tweet of the Haiku like poetry or writing in tweet, in fact if I have known when I tweet something and I notice a grammatical error, I get frantic, I erase the damn thing and rewrite it and people get mad on you because they see me tweet twice, but I am just a perfectionist when it comes to writing tweets as I am writing anything.

But it’s not a microblog; you are not publishing content in the traditional sense, that what your blog is for, that’s what Facebook is to a certain extent. Twitter isn’t that at all, in fact I am not all that bent out of shape about my Twitters disappearing although I hear that Twitter eventually will allow you to surf, and go back and get all your tweets and archive them somehow.

Leo Laporte Right now it’s only 3,500 post back I think.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Right, but I am not, I am not – I throw tweets out there. It’s like having a conversation with somebody at a party. You are not worried about keeping a record of everything you told that person, that’s not really, really the point is sort of the end result.

Leo Laporte All right.

John C. Dvorak All right, that’s resolved.

Leo Laporte So let’s move on.

John C. Dvorak So let’s find this news article. What’s this about Apple’s unknown hardware?

Leo Laporte Where are you looking?

John C. Dvorak Somebody just sent this in the chat room.

Leo Laporte Apple’s unknown, well read it to us because I don’t know.

John C. Dvorak What could Apple’s unknown hardware be, a new bait of Apple’s iOS mobile software reportedly boasts references to a fourth generation iPod Touch.

Leo Laporte So people watch their server logs and anytime Apple’s got a new product or is testing a new operating system, they see on the server logs unusual identification strings. Unusual browser agents, things like that and a unnamed product has started to surface on logs in the last couple of weeks. Now we are pretty sure Apple’s got an event. I think its official September 8, but that they always do that because they announced new iPods. I will tell you what it is; I know exactly what it is.

John C. Dvorak I was assuming that the iPod Touch new version with a nice screen is coming up, but is it going to be what I still think they are going to have to do eventually, which is Apple TV.

Leo Laporte That’s what is going to be, you hit the nail.

John C. Dvorak A real – like a screen.

Leo Laporte No, you think it is a screen, no. I will tell you exactly what it is and I think the rumors if talked about this, they have called it iTV even though that is not a name Apple has a use of.

John C. Dvorak I don’t think they can, yes, that’s…

Leo Laporte There is Rupert Murdoch or something, there is a British...

John C. Dvorak There’s a bunch of ITVs.

Leo Laporte They can’t use it. But anyway, whatever they call it; it is a slim line box with no storage. It will run iOS 4 the new iPhone operating system and that’s critical and it will in my opinion but Kevin Rose has a great post effect. In fact I tried to get Kevin on the show but he hasn’t responded. He was climbing a rock. He is busy, he is busy digging, but Kevin says Apple’s iTV will change everything and I agree with him. I think you are going to see this fall we are going to see two big important announcements, Google TV and Apple TV.

John C. Dvorak Okay, we will tell me why, why is it going to change anything?

Leo Laporte Okay, I will tell you why, apps. One word, apps, so…

John C. Dvorak Don’t I need a screen?

Leo Laporte You can hook it up to a screen, but you don’t need but why, look I don’t want to buy my TV from Apple, I got a TV.

John C. Dvorak But can I push on the screen and make things roll around?

Leo Laporte Yes, remember what Apple released a couple of weeks ago, the Magic Trackpad. What is that? A Bluetooth wireless trackpad big enough to make a keyboard if it’s on the screen, big enough to pinch, zoom, rotate. It’s wireless, so it hooks up to the iTV which is sitting next to your big screen TV.

John C. Dvorak So basically this is going to be a moused TV without a mouse, but it’s going to be using the hand.

Leo Laporte It is going to be a TV with the iPhone interface and apps and this is why Google TV is important and in my opinion why iTV is important, because if you want to add Hulu to your TV you just pay – buy the app. You want to add HBO, HBO makes an app. You want to add HBO to your TV you just buy the app. HBO bypasses the cable company, sells direct to you for a monthly subscription. You can add functionality as simply as downloading an app on your iPhone. This is why Google TV is going to be important too. Julio, you agree?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Yeah, in fact I will tell you what I did. I got the Magic Trackpad and I spend about a couple of days trying to use it as a computer peripheral, absolutely didn’t like it, the mouse is the right device for that. But I happen to have a 60 inch plasma TV in my office and I have been playing with a variety of pointing devices, the Lenovo has some nice hardware in that category, but I took the Magic Trackpad and started using it as a living room device sort of have a simulated living room in my office with an easy chair and so forth and I used that as a television input device. It’s absolutely fantastic for that. That is the use for the Trackpad. I am surmising that that’s exactly what Apple is thinking.

Leo Laporte It’s what they call the sit back experiences as opposed to lean forward. Lean forward’s your computer, sits back’s your TV. You are sitting at the couch and – so that’s a great experiment Julio, so it worked.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata I have a running Mac OS X. I have a Mac mini running Max OS X on the TV, but…

Leo Laporte Wouldn’t it better with an iPhone?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata But as you know, there are a variety of third-party solutions, I’m drawing a blank on the names but…

Leo Laporte XBMC, Boxee…

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Plex.

Leo Laporte Plex is great.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata But Plex, you know that has a similar model, you put that interface on but then you can add services you can sort of pick and choose, sort of pull in different elements, different services, different kind of contents…

Leo Laporte But they are plug-ins…

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Well, yes, but it is a suite – it’s exactly what you are talking about, you are going to be able to sort of customize the experience by pulling in different things, it’s not apps per se but it’s sort of the same general idea.

Leo Laporte I totally think this is what is going to happen and I think it’s going to happen September 8 and I think it might set the TV world on its keister because, well, John, you and I know a little bit about the cable television model and I think we both know that cable companies do not want to be data companies, they want to be premium service companies…

John C. Dvorak Yes, I know, they want to make that extra, easy money.

Leo Laporte But we also know that HBO would love to disintermediate and sell directly to us.

John C. Dvorak Well you know, there has always been the thing – that’s always fascinate me about some of these business models, they start one way or, the cable business began as CCTV which was they were like – and then all of a sudden they got so much leverage that they could say, hey by the way, do you want to be on our cable thing…

Leo Laporte Right.

John C. Dvorak First they were doing them a favor, by spreading their…

Leo Laporte They were begging them.

John C. Dvorak Yes, begging them; can we do – and then they say well, you know, we got like half of your audience, have you ever seen an antenna anymore buddy, and then they say, maybe you should give us money to put you on…

Leo Laporte Exactly.

John C. Dvorak So they did the switcheroo, these companies would love to do the switcheroo back. You know in other words…

Leo Laporte You bet.

John C. Dvorak Screw you!

Leo Laporte You bet, screw you! I think, I remember Will Hurst talking about this with Ed Holme, that in fact, remember how he got kind of screwed by the cable companies…

John C. Dvorak Yes.

Leo Laporte And I think that that was when he started, what was the name of it, was it Moxy Mojo…

John C. Dvorak Well, they did ReplayTV…

Leo Laporte Replay…

John C. Dvorak Which was one of the…

Leo Laporte The whole idea was let’s – why should a company like HBO, why should – even better, why should a company like Warner Brothers even have to deal with HBO, why shouldn’t there be a Warner Brothers app? That you pay Warner Brothers directly and the reason this platform is so successful is because you can add apps, so Warner Brothers could create an iPhone 4 app, there is the store model is already set up or I think it would work Google TV as well, the store model is already set up, you say, ah, you know, hey honey, let’s, wouldn’t you want to get some movies tonight from Warner Brothers, let’s see what the Warner Brothers – you pay 10 bucks a month, 20 bucks a month whatever it is you get, Netflix…

John C. Dvorak The Netflix model…

Leo Laporte This is a Netflix model and you go direct, in fact it actually jeopardizes Netflix, it jeopardizes Blockbuster…

John C. Dvorak Yes, it puts a lot of people in jeopardy. Now the thing that’s interesting about this idea is that I don’t think – they won’t have the guts to take it to the extreme which is what you can – if you go to C-band, those old fashioned…

Leo Laporte Right.

John C. Dvorak Big giant dishes, they have 4D TV now, which is HD coming across, which is…

Leo Laporte 4K. 4D?

John C. Dvorak No, the thing is, I think it’s called 4DTV which refers to classic HD…

Leo Laporte Okay.

John C. Dvorak And you get a really good HD signal.

Leo Laporte It’s less compressed.

John C. Dvorak Yes.

Leo Laporte Yes.

John C. Dvorak And what’s cool about it is you can find a bunch of programs out there where you can go to somebody’s website and subscribe to HBO for one movie.

Leo Laporte Yes.

John C. Dvorak And you pay the guy like 50 cents…

Leo Laporte That’s exactly it.

John C. Dvorak And you get to – you are on HBO or you get 24 hours of HBO for a buck instead of like you know 30 bucks a month, and so you want – I want HBO on Friday because I’m going to watch…

Leo Laporte It’s on demand.

John C. Dvorak Because why am I paying…

Leo Laporte You get a lot of crap. You just want Mad Men, why are you paying for the rest? Or you just want True Blood.

John C. Dvorak Why am I paying for HBO Showtime and all this when I just watch one movie a month?

Leo Laporte Right.

John C. Dvorak I should just pay for the movie.

Leo Laporte Now here is the problem. How do we get this data? We get this data through Comcast, through Verizon, so companies that really don’t want to be bit pumps, they want to sell TV shows, they want to sell cable, they want to sell movie.

John C. Dvorak Well, they are going to have to give up that idea.

Leo Laporte So what happens? How do they push back? Is this why you are seeing this Google-Verizon…

John C. Dvorak They are going to have to buy some of these other operations. I think that’s why Comcast wants to own a network, they are going to say look, we are going to have to get out of this, that we got to be there, we’ll be the pipe but you know, we still like the content business, so let’s just buy some content companies and just give up on the idea of just stealing money.

Leo Laporte Julio, are content providers in the driver seat here?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Well, not necessarily, you know there has been some talk, some recent news about Verizon sort of getting into app development; sorry, I’m referring to Comcast, so I can very well see Comcast developing an app will give people the same content that Comcast now provides on its – it has a web-based service, or you can access a great deal of the content that’s also available on your television set, so they have – they already have – they are halfway there, all they have to do is provide the app that sort of replicates that laptop web experience. So I fully expect Comcast to play along with this.

Leo Laporte Well, they’ve got to figure out a new business model. I think it’s interesting if they become content – ultimately this is good for content creators, right. What you buy is you buy a pipe, then you buy an iTV or a Google TV that lets you access that pipe, search for content, buy it directly from the content creator and if the content creator is really sharp – this is why Hulu is going to have a big IPO, they are going to go public any day now, right?

John C. Dvorak Yes.

Leo Laporte They are going to have a huge IPO because this is the play that – I have Hulu Plus right now on my iPad, it’s ridiculous, it’s 10 bucks a month to watch TV shows, it doesn’t make a lot of sense on an iPad but it does make a huge amount of sense when you are thinking this is maybe on an iTV.

John C. Dvorak A lot of people under the age of 26…

Leo Laporte That’s how they watch TV.

John C. Dvorak My son does that, but he just refuses, why should I do that, I got a video stream, why do I need to – you know there is other stuff for.

Leo Laporte Well, you know who the real competition of course is, is BitTorrent. Because your son is smart enough to get this stuff for free.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata My 12-year old son discovered the Netflix app and shortly thereafter I introduced him to Doctor Who.

Leo Laporte You must be very happy.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata I am very, very, very happy that my son made a doll like out of LEGOs on the whole thing but...

Leo Laporte Oh my God!

Julio Ojeda-Zapata But here is the thing, my son said oh, Doctor Who, and then you know he – first he went to Comcast On Demand and they had like 5 episodes, and he was like, okay, I’m done, but then he got on the Netflix app and worked his way through all the recent era Doctor Who episodes, he got obsessed and he watched them all in the span of 2 weeks, you know. That is the kind user that is going to really drive this new model.

Leo Laporte Well, and that’s of course who all these companies are building for; they are not building for us, they are building for our kids.

John C. Dvorak Yes, they don’t care about us…

Leo Laporte Jesse Wayne said, well, if that’s the case why does Hulu keep fighting all the people like Boxee Box who are trying to put it on their device. I’ll tell you why, because they want to put it – they want to charge you for the app and they want to charge your rental, they want to control it.

John C. Dvorak Yes.

Leo Laporte They don’t want just a connection to the website, they want to control it.

All right, we are going to take a break and come back with more John C. Dvorak, he is here, thank you John for the bottle of Léoville wine, you are conceding a little early.

John C. Dvorak I gave up on the idea of, and besides that if didn’t bring that in, I probably would have drunk it and then reneged on the bet.

Leo Laporte John and I, Julio, had a bet when the iPad came out I said oh this is going to be huge, they are going to sell five million units in the first year.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Remember that.

Leo Laporte And I was a little low I think, I think they are going to probably do eight, right, eight or nine.

John C. Dvorak I don’t want to talk about it.

Leo Laporte And the bet was a bottle of wine.

John C. Dvorak The bet was a bottle of Léoville.

Leo Laporte Very nice Bordeaux.

John C. Dvorak Yes.

Leo Laporte So, thank you. And we are not going to drink it today Julio because you are not here. So when you come out we’ll drink it.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Thank you.

Leo Laporte And I’m just kidding. We are going to drink it right after the show, sorry Julio.

Before we go any further, no actually I think John said we have to let it sit.

John C. Dvorak Yes, we’ll drink it…

Leo Laporte It’s on its side, should I have it slightly tilted?

John C. Dvorak No, no, it’s fine, it’s not going to…

Leo Laporte 52 degrees centigrade? No.

John C. Dvorak Centigrade, yes, that’ll boil and boom!

Leo Laporte 52 degrees Fahrenheit. I often confuse those. And right now I want to talk a little bit about our friends at Ford and the great Ford Fiesta. Have you seen a Fiesta yet? They are really, you can’t miss them…

John C. Dvorak Actually they are pretty nice looking.

Leo Laporte They are really cute little cars.

John C. Dvorak They are not that little. They are pretty…

Leo Laporte No, inside they feel great, I said…

John C. Dvorak I don’t think it’s that small of a car. It’s a just a compact car but…

Leo Laporte What would you estimate the mileage on that thing, just guess?

John C. Dvorak 80, 80 miles to the gallon?

Leo Laporte No, come on stop it, you know, really, honestly, it’s a gas…

John C. Dvorak I would just say 32.

Leo Laporte 40 miles a gallon, highway. 409 miles, the distance between LA and San Francisco on a single tank of gas.

John C. Dvorak Yes, I want you to make that drive.

Leo Laporte And you know I will, I will, you know what, I will, you know what, when were at Dearborn at the Ford test track they were showing me the auto part feature of the Flex, and they had set it up so that there were cars all around…

John C. Dvorak I heard the story.

Leo Laporte And I ran into the Fiesta.

John C. Dvorak You banged into it.

Leo Laporte Pretty hard. Because I…

John C. Dvorak Didn’t the guy tell you, you got to have your foot on the brake?

Leo Laporte He did tell me that after it parks you might want to turn – either turn it off or put your foot on the brakes because of course the car will continue on in idle but I wasn’t paying attention, so, boom, I hit the Fiesta, this is a big heavy, Flex, it’s the Fiesta, not a scratch.

That’s more miles per gallon highway than the Toyota Yaris and it could save you up to 182 dollars a year in gas over the Honda Civic. Now, you know about engines, John, so you know what this means, it said Duratec engine, 1.6 liter, Duratec I-4 engine, that’s good, huh? I don’t know what that is.

John C. Dvorak I actually like the SHO engine, that’s in the…

Leo Laporte That’s the EcoBoost?

John C. Dvorak Yes, that’s the engine I like.

Leo Laporte That thing, you hit the paddle, voom, that is a rocket ship. The front strut suspension is MacPherson; MacPherson struts, this is the Fiesta, front sway bar, it’s a twist-beam rear suspension, I mean it really handles beautifully, it’s very peppy, I want you to check out the new 2011 Ford Fiesta with its best-in-class fuel efficiency, its incredible performance and handling, and I think a really good looking interior and exterior design you want to see for yourself. They are just into the Ford dealers right now. So head on out, drive one today at a Ford dealer near you, the incredible Ford Fiesta. And we think it’s just so great – it’s just so great that a company, a big real company like Ford supports this little podcast.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, little.

Leo Laporte I am very grateful to them, John.

John C. Dvorak About a million listeners.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata And, Leo, can you get SYNC in the Fiesta?

Leo Laporte Julio, I am so glad you asked that. Yes, of course you can.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Okay.

Leo Laporte I love, I…

John C. Dvorak Lot of value-add on these commercials.

Leo Laporte Yes, that’s why they buy it. The – I’ll tell you what, we drive a – my wife drives a Toyota. We got that a couple of years ago, a Highlander. And I’ve convinced her, she’s going to trade in for the Flex, it’s a year-old car.

John C. Dvorak The Flex is an interesting little car.

Leo Laporte Flex is a great little car.

John C. Dvorak Little?

Leo Laporte No, it’s a big car. It’s like the soccer team car.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, soccer mom.

Leo Laporte And the thing is I can’t drive without the SYNC anymore. It’s – the Toyota GPS is like horrible. You can’t figure out how to use it. The SYNC just – it’s so easy to use and then now you can do Pandora, and Stitcher and stuff. Boy, I worry about terrestrial music stations.

John C. Dvorak Sounds to me as though you’re going to get into an accident.

Leo Laporte We already know I will.

John C. Dvorak So I wanted to turn the conversation to a topic that you’ve probably discussed, but I wanted to…

Leo Laporte Let’s do it.

John C. Dvorak Because you have kind of mentioned it in the past.

Leo Laporte It’s okay because I’ve got Glee on my Hulu iPad playing right now.

John C. Dvorak Glee?

Leo Laporte Yeah. I just love Glee, don’t you?

John C. Dvorak Oh, man.

Leo Laporte It’s such a good show.

John C. Dvorak I need to get up here more often to straighten this guy out. Google-Verizon deal needs yet another gaping loophole.

Leo Laporte What’s that?

John C. Dvorak I don’t know. It’s just someone in the chat room sent this thing.

Leo Laporte Click on the link and tell us because I think that’s…

John C. Dvorak Plenty of people are worried that if the Google-Verizon net neutrality proposal has too many exceptions. The recording industry is worried that it doesn’t have enough in a letter sent today to Google’s CEO, Eric Schmidt, the RIAA and other music trade groups expressed their concern that the riddled with gaping loopholes policy framework, nevertheless might put a damper on ISP attempts to find and filter practical material flowing through the Internet’s tubes.

Leo Laporte I know what they are talking about, because it very clearly says that there’s net neutrality for legal content which is a huge loophole for Comcast because they say, well, BitTorrent is often illegal content, they – boom, they kill it. So it’s net neutrality only if the content is legal and it’s really not defined what that means. That’s what that’s – that’s the loophole they are talking about.

I’ve got another one for you. You’re going to like this.

John C. Dvorak Google-Verizon.

Leo Laporte No, you’re going to like this. A long running dispute between radio broadcasters and the recording industry over the music royalties has taken an unexpected turn. Here’s the proposed settlement. That every new cell phone, they want a federal mandate, this is the Recording Industry Association of America, they want a federal mandate that every new cell phone come with a built-in FM chip.

John C. Dvorak Oh yeah. I heard this.

Leo Laporte So that…

John C. Dvorak So you must have some thoughts on this because it makes no sense to me.

Leo Laporte Well, I could tell you, I didn’t bring it up on the radio show because I am on a lot of FM stations but come on. Come on, mandating requiring that every mobile device that is made from now on in the U.S. have a radio in it. That’s like saying every Ford sold should come with a buggy whip. What do you think, Julio?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Well, for a long time I was really, really mad at Apple because they wouldn’t put FM radios in their iPods. I was like curious about that because I love Minnesota Public Radio. I am an addict. But the world is changing. Now, like for instance an iPod Touch or an iPhone, I can drop it into a speaker dock in my kitchen. And I have all these audio apps. I have the Minnesota Public Radio app, MPR app, TWiT app, every – all – anything I want to listen to is available on app phone, in fact I…

Leo Laporte Which by the way, Julio, is why I love this iTV Google TV thing, because we could be an app too, can’t we? The TWiT…

John C. Dvorak You will be.

Leo Laporte Yeah. Oh yeah, we are.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata I love you guys on the Broken Box by the way.

Leo Laporte Thank you. Love you too.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata But, here’s – the punch line is I noticed, it suddenly dawned on me the other day that the speaker dock that I was using in the kitchen house and FM radio which I could have very well tuned into Minnesota Public Radio. But I was listening Minnesota Public Radio in that form I had sort of trained myself to sort of leave the whole radio thing behind and sort of go into the app future and so I’m a complete convert in this regard, and so this FM radio requirement proposal this strikes me as ludicrous.

Leo Laporte Oh yeah. Well, try the MPR app…

John C. Dvorak Who’s behind it? Do we have any idea?

Leo Laporte Yeah. The RIAA. Now, Gary Shapiro, our old…

John C. Dvorak But why?

Leo Laporte Because they want to save radio. Gary Shapiro our old friend…

John C. Dvorak This is radio.

Leo Laporte No, no. They want to save terrestrial radio dude. They want you to have an antenna in every device. And you’re right. I mean, Julio, the MPR app is absolutely the best way to listen to MPR. You could put together your own morning edition with just the stories you want. I mean, it’s infinitely better than listening to the radio.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Especially on the iPad.

Leo Laporte Yeah. Gary Shapiro says this is two old media industries, recording industry and the radio industry.

John C. Dvorak It’s like requiring everybody – if you’re going to make a record, you also have to make a 78.

Leo Laporte Yes. You must make an 8-track. This is two old media…

John C. Dvorak By the way, I have an 8-track recorder.

Leo Laporte Recorder?

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Leo Laporte Not player, recorder?

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Leo Laporte Was that…

John C. Dvorak I bought an old Akai reel to reel and it has an 8-track recorder built into it.

Leo Laporte Was that unusual in those days?

John C. Dvorak I never saw one before until recently.

Leo Laporte What did you do in the war, daddy? This is two old media industries attacking the new wireless broadband industries, said Gary Shapiro, Head of the Consumer Electronics Association. This is a battle that doesn’t involve us. We don’t think Congress should accept a backroom deal – and I sound like a Maude Frickert – on how an iPhone should be designed, sorry, Gary. We think consumers should choose and company should choose.

John C. Dvorak Gary is a good guy on these issues.

Leo Laporte I know he’s the good guy on this, absolutely.

John C. Dvorak Well, you make it sound like an old fart.

Leo Laporte He is an old fart but he is a good old fart.

John C. Dvorak Okay. Well, there you go. Gary, I tried – I tried, Gary.

Leo Laporte No. I like Gary and he is absolutely right in this case. But he is representing Apple.

John C. Dvorak No, he’s representing the guys who make the boxes.

Leo Laporte They are saying, we are not going to put – you’re telling us, we have to spend another $0.25 to put an FM radio in this. I have an – look I have an FM radio in my Android phone, I never listen to it. Julio, do you have an FM radio in your phone or any of your devices? Zune?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Well, yeah. Some of the Android phones I have have FM radios. But here’s why this is so ridiculous to me, personally and to probably a lot of other people younger than myself. I never listen to anything, radio or television, live; I never ever do that. I am a big fan of Minnesota Public Radio.

Leo Laporte Listen after the – listen to the podcasts, yeah.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata I subscribe to all the podcasts. I told Minnesota Public Radio, there are a lot of shows of yours that I like, but if you don’t provide them in podcast form I am not going to listen to them. I don’t have the time to schedule around your – around you.

Leo Laporte More big believers in live. Look, we spend a lot of money to stream everything we do live over the Internet. I think live is great because we can take questions, it can be interactive, it’s more – there’s something about it – it’s more lively and fun but you don’t have to have a radio to do that. You can do it over the Internet perfectly well.

John C. Dvorak Yeah. And most people still take it recorded.

Leo Laporte Absolutely, by far 90% of them…

John C. Dvorak No, the only reason we do it because we actually do this on No Agenda, I mean, we took…

Leo Laporte You do it live too, yeah.

John C. Dvorak Yeah. Only for that reason because the chat room goes off and the chat room…

Leo Laporte It’s fun.

John C. Dvorak It’s the chat room is essentially a Greek chorus.

Leo Laporte Right.

John C. Dvorak And they get – they have their opinions of things and there’s always evil doers in there, but they tend to be wiped up by the rest of the group. And it’s very useful, I mean, right here, I am basically only using the chat room’s information…

Leo Laporte Yeah, you stopped looking at anything else, you’re just watching the chat room.

John C. Dvorak I am seeing what stories they want us to talk about.

Leo Laporte It’s as it should be. You are the voice of the people John C. Dvorak.

John C. Dvorak I am representing them well, I hope.

Leo Laporte So…

Julio Ojeda-Zapata But, Leo, to just digress I just wanted to tell you something funny. I listen to all your podcasts but all of them in audio form. They go on my iPhone. I listen to them in audio form even though they’re available on video, but something funny happened the other day. I was trying to listen to iPad today in audio form, the first TWiT podcast that just absolutely does not work as audio.

Leo Laporte Oh really?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata You have to watch it.

Leo Laporte Isn’t that funny? That was the first one.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata That’s the first one where I had – this completely sucked…

Leo Laporte Oh, which episode was it though?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata I think it was the productivity one.

Leo Laporte See, that’s why I worry a little bit.

John C. Dvorak Well, that’s because sometimes you overdo the visuals.

Leo Laporte Yeah, that’s – I’m worried a little bit that we might because – and this is – TV is a harsh mistress to coin – to paraphrase Robert Heinlein. The pictures start taking over the ideas. They start taking over the words. And that isn’t what I want. By the way Night Flier has found on eBay an Akai X-1810 reel to reel recorder with 8-track player.

John C. Dvorak That’s the one, that’s the unit I’ve got.

Leo Laporte How much is that, how much is that on eBay? I want one too, if John’s got one, Night Flier give me the price. So Mitch Bainwol, who is the Chief Executive of the Recording Industry Association of America says – now, he’s the guy that should talk like Maude Frickert, nothing is locked down yet. But we’re on the precipice of an historic breakthrough. He said, an historic breakthrough, by the way.

John C. Dvorak Which you don’t have to do.

Leo Laporte No. In fact…

John C. Dvorak It’s optional, but you can say…

Leo Laporte But I say an historic.

John C. Dvorak Yeah. I did too.

Leo Laporte But apparently I am an prehistoric person because it’s…

John C. Dvorak No. Nowadays it’s considered gauche or…

Leo Laporte To say an historic?

John C. Dvorak Or an anachronism.

Leo Laporte It’s anachronism. Yeah. I asked Grammar Girl. She said, no, you shouldn’t do it.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, she would say no.

Leo Laporte She’d say, a historic. But it’s hard for me to say, a historic.

John C. Dvorak I like an historic. It sounds better.

Leo Laporte An historic breakthrough, I remember when piano rolls were about to eat our lunch. I think there is no way – there is no – $50 shipping, $150 for this T app, for this Akai.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, yeah.

Leo Laporte That’s a good deal, John. I could make my own 8-tracks. Should we – okay...

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Wouldn’t that be cool?

Leo Laporte I’d like to ask the TWiT audience, would you…?

John C. Dvorak You got to buy the blank 8 tracks, that’s the hard part.

Leo Laporte Would you like TWiT to be available in 8-track form? I think it’s about time.

John C. Dvorak There is probably a couple of old guys out there. Yeah, that’s a good idea, I have an old Lincoln.

Leo Laporte My question is, would we distribute more versions on 8-track or Ogg Vorbis?

John C. Dvorak Probably 8-track would beat Ogg Vorbis just barely.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata You’d have to do Edison cylinders too.

Leo Laporte Oh, yeah, there you go.

John C. Dvorak We are Ogg Vorbis.

Leo Laporte Yeah, everybody says they want the 8-track. This is an example of why sometimes it’s not good to ask your audience what they want because they’ll say things like, oh, no, we listen on 8-track.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, then you wouldn’t sell one.

Leo Laporte Oh yeah. You can charge us $15 a month for that. All right, let’s take a break. John, find another story from the chat-room, would you?

John C. Dvorak Yeah, something good, chat-room.

Leo Laporte Chat-room, we are asking you for the – it’s all on you now. While I talk about our friends at Carbonite and Carbonite Pro which is an example of a company listening to its consumers, its users, and saying, hey there is something we could do where. Carbonite is – I talked about it before, is an online back-up, it’s automatic, you put it on your Mac, or your PC, it automatically backs up to the cloud using AES 256-bit encryption, 128-bit SSL, it’s always there, you can get to your back-up from any machine anywhere you log on to your Carbonite account. They even have an Apple iPhone and a BlackBerry app for free. So you know you got a back up, you can go look at it on your iPhone, you can access it. So everybody loves Carbonite, the consumer version.

Carbonite started talking to its customers and they found out that literally hundreds of thousands of their Carbonite consumer customers were businesses, were small businesses saying there’s nothing equivalent in business. This is such a good solution. We are going to kind of misuse it in business. So they said, well, we can do better than that, and they came up Carbonite Pro. And I got to tell you, this is a great solution. Go ahead, and I invite you to try to look for other comparable solutions. You won’t find anything as good as this. I know. I’ve looked. I was sitting with Ken last week when we’re saying well what – well, what are some – no, no that’s too expensive; no, that won’t do it; no. Carbonite is amazing.

Here is the deal. Go right now to, just sign up for free for 30 days, you really get a sense of what it can do. Now, the way Carbonite Pro works is there is a centralized dashboard, it’s Windows only right now, I should say, which is probably fine for small business at this point. A Mac version is on the way, I promise you. But right now, for your Windows machines. So you get a copy for every machine in your office, however many machines you’ve got. You have a centralized dashboard, so you can see which machines are backed-up, which aren’t. Here is a nice thing: your users, your employees can restore anytime they want, so you don’t – they don’t have to make that perp walk down to the IT department, “I erased my spreadsheet, can you get it back for me?”, they can do it themselves. And as I said, they can do it from any computer they log on.

Now here is the beauty, you don’t pay per-seat license, you just pay for the storage you use. There’s no setup fee, no hardware to buy, no training, you just install Carbonite and you are done. It just starts backing up. Very affordable too. I’ll give you some examples. 20 gigabytes to 50 gigabytes is $25 a month. That means if you had 10 users, 5 gigabytes each, $25 a month, that’s all. The prices are great, the software is great, it works so well, I highly recommend you try it and you can try it free for a month. Just go to You don’t have to use any offer code; they’ll know TWiT sent you. Your data is secure, it’s encrypted, it’s private, and it’s always, always safe. Just imagine what it would cost if you lost all your data. Would you still be in business tomorrow if you did? I know we wouldn’t., we thank them for their support of this WEEK in TECH. John C. Dvorak is here,, he’s also the host with Adam Curry, who we did invite to be on this show about three minutes before we started. He’s buying a car...

John C. Dvorak He thinks you hate him.

Leo Laporte I don’t like him, but he can be on the show. No, I like Adam. You know where Adam and I went a little bad, that whole Cali Lewis thing. But now that he hates Cali, it’s okay.

John C. Dvorak I’m the only one who still likes Cali apparently.

Leo Laporte I love Cali. Cali and I never had a problem. So Cali did a posts in which she said…

John C. Dvorak Oh, you are the one who began this because of your political inclinations…

Leo Laporte No, no, no…

John C. Dvorak Yes.

Leo Laporte Cali tweets. I can’t believe – and it turns out it wasn’t Cali, it was Neal, her husband, but Cali was very loyal and never said this. She could have thrown Neal to the walls, just like Apple could throw AT&T to the walls, but they didn’t, she didn’t. Neal posted, “I can’t believe anybody believes this hoax of global warming”. And I said, well I don’t – you could dispute whether it’s manmade or not, but I don’t think it’s a hoax and I think that you could – so I posted this on her blog, just a comment on her blog. And you know who stirred the pot. Your friend and mine, Adam Curry, who started playing clips of me from the show, started – he really wanted to get it revved up, but I just ignored it and it went away.

John C. Dvorak But you apparently didn’t.

Leo Laporte Well, I remembered it. See, I don’t forget anything, any slight, any time you hurt me, I will one day sneak up behind you…

John C. Dvorak You have a long memory, long evil memory and do that thing with the knees…

Leo Laporte Knee – right there and knock you over.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata That’s very Puerto Rican of you, Leo.

Leo Laporte Now wait a minute, just want you to know Julio is Puerto Rican, so he can say that.

John C. Dvorak He can say whatever he wants. So everybody – like three or four people sent this one thing in, Virgin Mobile USA unlimited prepaid mobile broadband…

Leo Laporte Yeah, people are excited about this. So you can get a MiFi…

John C. Dvorak Oh I see it’s the mobile broadband…

Leo Laporte You can get a MiFi from Virgin, they are Sprint by they way, they are Sprint.

John C. Dvorak Who is Sprint?

Leo Laporte Virgin Mobile is Sprint.

John C. Dvorak They are using the Sprint network.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

John C. Dvorak But they are owned by Sprint.

Leo Laporte No, they aren’t owned by Sprint. I think Sprint bought the majority share from Richard Branson of Virgin Mobile. Virgin was originally not Sprint…

John C. Dvorak They are owned by Sprint, yes, okay, so the chat-room agrees.

Leo Laporte It was an MVNO, Sprint bought out Richard not too long – maybe a year ago.

John C. Dvorak No I didn’t – I missed it.

Leo Laporte Well I did too, it doesn’t matter. The only reason I know that is somebody in the chat-room told me that once years ago. So, here is the deal, you get their MiFi card, we all love the MiFi card. Normally $60 a month from Verizon, $60 a month from Sprint, $40 from Virgin Mobile, and if it’s the same as the other Virgin Mobile stuff, I think there’s no contract, it’s months to month. Is it month to month chat-room?

John C. Dvorak That’s what it sounds like in this article.

Leo Laporte That’s a good deal. But you know what I prefer, and I think it’s really the way to go is using an Android phone, the tether, I only pay $20 a month to Verizon for tethering the DROID X and that turns this into a Wi-Fi access. So I got rid of my Wi-Fi.

John C. Dvorak That’s an HTC, what is that?

Leo Laporte This is the Motorola DROID X. Have you seen the DROID?

John C. Dvorak I haven’t seen that, no, no, no, no.

Leo Laporte Baby it’s sweet.

John C. Dvorak This is the one you – this is the one you moved to, this is your latest and greatest?

Leo Laporte That’s my phone.

John C. Dvorak So you dropped the Nexus One like a hot potato?

Leo Laporte I still have it. I like the Nexus One if that thing ran…

John C. Dvorak This thing is huge, but it’s light.

Leo Laporte It’s huge, but it’s light. Julio, you okay, did you fall over, sir? Oh, he’s getting his. What are you using Julio? Wait a minute – he’s going to get the headphones back on. He doesn’t know we are watching him.

John C. Dvorak This is interesting.

Leo Laporte So what you – you went and got your phone, Julio? Hello Julio.

John C. Dvorak Earth to Julio.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Yeah I’m here, sorry…

Leo Laporte Did you get your phone?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata I stepped away for a moment.

Leo Laporte Yeah, but we were watching. But was that to get your phone or just because you had to the bathroom?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Well, I went – I – just since you mentioned Verizon…

Leo Laporte I thought so, what do you use, is that the DROID 2? Is that the DROID 2? Show it to the camera.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Here we go.

Leo Laporte Looks just like the DROID 1.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata The keyboard is a night and day improvement. The keyboard on the DROID 1 was completely worthless.

Leo Laporte Unusable. Unusable.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Keyboard on the DROID 2 has more texture to it.

Leo Laporte That’s good.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata I can really, really fly on the thing. It has a – it has a refined appearance they did away with a little trackpad, little dial thing that they had on the right of the old keyboard. It’s a – it’s not a quantum leap over the DROID 1, but it’s an incremental improvement that actually makes the thing fully usable.

Leo Laporte Well it comes with…

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Now I switch between the physical keyboard and the onscreen keyboard, where with the original DROID I never used the physical keyboard.

Leo Laporte Right. No, I’m with you on that, I hated that one.

John C. Dvorak So why doesn’t it do the thing? Wasn’t this…

Leo Laporte I turned that off, I don’t like that. He is saying why doesn’t it rotate…

John C. Dvorak Never mind.

Leo Laporte …and I just turned that off. It does it, but I just turned it off because it confuses me, sometimes it sideways. So, it’s 2.2, it’s the latest version of Android.

John C. Dvorak So you can tether it.

Leo Laporte It’s a gigahertz processor in there right?

John C. Dvorak So you got this – so you can tether this…

Leo Laporte No, I’m not talking about that, I’m talking about Julio’s phone. That one is 2.1 still.

John C. Dvorak Oh, you haven’t gone to 2.2?

Leo Laporte No.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Yeah, the DROID 2 is 2.2.

Leo Laporte Yeah. 2.2 is a huge improvement. Now they say any day now for the DROID X. I love that phone, and look I got little fishes.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, it’s kind of creepy actually.

Leo Laporte I got an aquarium in there. Scroll over and you can feed the fish. You want to feed – okay, now tap the top of the screen there, couple of times, little fish food will come down and the fish will go eat it.

John C. Dvorak Oh yeah.

Leo Laporte Yeah. Pretty cool. Look, see they’re all eating.

John C. Dvorak That is ridiculous. This is the problem with America today.

Leo Laporte Come on, admit it John, you love that. You don’t have to do that. Do you use a live wallpaper, Julio?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata I love the Galaxy.

Leo Laporte Yeah, that’s a pretty one, that’s the stars going by. This one is a paid thing, it’s called Aquarium.

John C. Dvorak How many screens you got on this thing?

Leo Laporte Well, I am using a different launcher, it’s called LauncherPro, it gives me seven. But that’s eventually as you could see I am not filling them up because…

John C. Dvorak Bo, they are all empty.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata But the Droid 2 is hands down the phone that I would use if I – I prefer an iPhone, but if I had to not use an iPhone, the Droid 2 would definitely…

Leo Laporte How is your iPhone reception in Minneapolis, in the Twin Cities?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata I don’t really have a problem, I was able to duplicate the antenna issue with the iPhone 4, but then I suck it in equipment case and I was fine and it’s service in the Twin Cities is fantastic.

Leo Laporte You know they were reporting ironically that the Droid 2 is having the same kind of drop calls and antenna gig style attenuation on the phone, I don’t know if that’s true this is coming from MobileCrunch, but that’s pretty funny if it does. You haven’t seen that?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata I haven’t been able to duplicate that…

Leo Laporte It’s a nice phone. I – look Android is now – Google announced last week that they are now installing 200,000 – 200,000 Android phones a day.

John C. Dvorak The scanner is extremely quick.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

John C. Dvorak I just scanned this thing. Interesting.

Leo Laporte 200,000 a day, that’s 1.4 million a week, and if my math is correct that’s over 5 million a month, new Android phones.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, there is moving a lot of products.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata And there is an interesting new Android angle that has sort of come up recently. Android phones are starting to filter into the prepaid space. You mentioned Virgin a little while ago, Boost Mobile and I think one or two other of the prepaid carriers are starting to carry Android phones, the BlackBerrys as well.

Leo Laporte That’s interesting.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata And it’s very interesting they’re – they don’t – they are not really great Android phones that use an old version of the operating system that are a little clunky to use. But prepaid used to be associated with really crappy phones that’s starting to really not be the case.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

John C. Dvorak All right, now an another story…

Leo Laporte Yeah, I love your sense of timing my friend.

John C. Dvorak So, did you see – what’s your thoughts on this crazy story about, oh, the virus got into the computer and that the airplane crashed or we didn’t have the record of the – you know about this story?

Leo Laporte No.

John C. Dvorak Oh!

Leo Laporte Are you talking about Deepwater?

John C. Dvorak No, there’s recent thing where they just said the Mac – if you are one of these virus companies there is some MD-11 crashed recently, you don’t know anything about it? Okay never mind we can skip that out.

Leo Laporte I can read it, is this something I might have heard on No Agenda with Adam Curry and…

John C. Dvorak Well, we did talk about it but somebody brought it up on this topic here.

Leo Laporte Where there are black helicopters anywhere involved in it?

John C. Dvorak No, but a saucer came in and the graze walked out of…

Leo Laporte By the way I didn’t finish this. Adam is welcome on the show any time.

John C. Dvorak Okay, that’s all he wants me to exit, you’ve got to beg Leo to let me on.

Leo Laporte Why would he want to be on?

John C. Dvorak He says he has got some points to make…

Leo Laporte Oh dear.

John C. Dvorak …and he wants to – and he wants to actually you know what the real reason is?

Leo Laporte What?

John C. Dvorak He wants to plug his app.

Leo Laporte What is this? Oh yeah the Application app?

John C. Dvorak Yeah, that app show.

Leo Laporte That’s a really good idea. It’s an app show in an application. There is another example of how apps are great for content…

John C. Dvorak You know, that’s really the only reason. He doesn’t care about it.

Leo Laporte He always give a damn.

John C. Dvorak You can come in and just have plug his app and then he run.

Leo Laporte No, look you got to sing for your supper John. You can’t just come in and your plugs…

John C. Dvorak Whatever I do I am digging myself into a hole here. I am just telling you Adam wants to do this show.

Leo Laporte So the Spanair flight 5022 crashed moments after taking off from Madrid, Barajas International Airport in 2008. 154 souls lost. New documents were in investigation and into the incident are showing, this is according to MSNBC that a malware infection may have been the blame. No wonder – now I understand why Intel paid $7.68 billion for McAfee.

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Leo Laporte According to the investigation the computer system used to monitor technical problems in the plane was infected with a Trojan as a result…

John C. Dvorak Sound like bull crap.

Leo Laporte You shouldn’t use Windows, right there, there’s the problem.

John C. Dvorak Well that is the problem.

Leo Laporte As a result there were no alerts or warnings for three technical issues which had they been detected may have prevented the plane from taking off. Investigations is still not completed and the authorities are trying to determine just how the malware got into the computer system in question, wow that is quite a story.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, that’s a weird story, but let’s…

Leo Laporte It’s a ground computer by the way not a plane based computer.

John C. Dvorak Yeah right. Now let’s go back and discuss the issue with why Intel bought McAfee?

Leo Laporte First, I’ve been saying for seven plus billion dollars or almost 8 billion, you know when you get to the Bs, 7.68 billion, that’s 0.68 doesn’t sound like, but that’s $680 million, so let’s not – this is cash. This isn’t even stock. 7 billion 680 million dollars for a washed up antivirus company?

John C. Dvorak I – that’s what I am asking you, what do you think?

Leo Laporte I think…

John C. Dvorak But why did they do it?

Leo Laporte They are goofballs.

John C. Dvorak But why – they are not goofballs.

Leo Laporte Is it not the right answer?

John C. Dvorak That’s the reason that Intel does everything.

Leo Laporte Intel – correct me if I am wrong, what do they sell? Chips.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, I’ve heard that.

Leo Laporte Do they sell software?

Leo Laporte Not that I know of, no.

Leo Laporte Not that I know of. Do they sell computers?

John C. Dvorak Maybe some development machines.

Leo Laporte Yeah, but no, really what they do is they sell chips to people who sell computers.

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Leo Laporte They don’t sell software. They don’t bundle software. You don’t get a copy of McAfee when you get a Core 2 Duo.

John C. Dvorak You will now.

Leo Laporte Is it – Julio, could they build an antivirus into the chip?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Well that’s entirely possible, but my reaction to this story was essentially good riddance, I can’t recall the last time I installed a Norton or a McAfee Security Suite on my computer. Windows Security is essential which is absolutely free is more than sufficient and so, yeah, this is a big number and it has some interesting implications but it’s just – it’s irrelevant to me. I don’t really care about McAfee or Norton anymore.

Leo Laporte Well, it’s bizarre that they – go ahead and get that while I give you this word from, McAfee is pronounced McAfee.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, McAfee.

Leo Laporte Thank you.

John C. Dvorak You looked it up because I said McAfee.

Leo Laporte And you said it right. No, no somebody in the chat room said just so you know, Mac – it’s not McAfee…

John C. Dvorak No, it’s always been McAfee. McAfee has claimed a fame, and I think he is a marketing genius for this was to create a news letter and a subsystem to promote the idea that you are going to be attacked by viruses. This is before they became popular and this is after Peter Norton said there is no such thing is a computer virus, if you recall that and they are just unimportant.

And McAfee started doing these news letters called there were some security news letter and nobody was selling antivirus software at that time. So he rolled out the stuff – with all these crazy viruses that these kids were mostly developing for old DOS machines, and the next thing you know there was a couple of outbreaks, some crazy things happened where peoples’ hard disks were erased because in those days the deal was you erase the hard disk, and the next thing you know…

Leo Laporte That’s right, that’s right, that was our day.

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

John C. Dvorak And the next thing you know he has got an antivirus software company and he is a billionaire. I mean I just thought this was the way to do it. He created the market for viruses, promoted it and then sold the antidote.

Leo Laporte He was a programmer at NASA’s Institute for Space Studies in New York City, went to UNIVAC as a Software Designer, later to Xerox as an Operating System Architect, he joined then 78 Computer Sciences Corporation, this is from his bio on Wikipedia, which we know is authoritative.

John C. Dvorak Absolutely true.

Leo Laporte As a software consultant, later while employed by Lockheed in the 1980s, see John we could have done this.

John C. Dvorak Oh yeah, no, we would have been contenders.

Leo Laporte He received a copy of the Pakistani Brain computer virus, very early virus, and wrote the first antivirus software. He used the shareware business model, he was one of the first to do so in 1989, in ’89 as recently as 1989, he quit Lockheed and began working full time at his company, McAfee Associates which he operated from his home in Santa Clara, California. So there you go. Now when Intel bought it last week it was doing 2 billion a year in revenue.

John C. Dvorak So this is worth 2 billion actually, maybe 4.

Leo Laporte What is the multiple, one year, two years?

John C. Dvorak One. But you know for a growth company it could be two, it could be up to 10. But for a business like that it had to be bigger…

Leo Laporte You got to figure antiviruses not on the…

John C. Dvorak …one, two years max…

Leo Laporte …especially since Microsoft offering free antivirus.

John C. Dvorak I have no idea why they paid so much.

Leo Laporte It’s bizarre. McAfee is – in August 2009, The New York Times reported that McAfee’s personal fortune had declined, he was worth $100 million, but the effect of the global financial crisis and recession he is only worth 4 million now.

John C. Dvorak Oh really?

Leo Laporte Yeah. That’s sad.

John C. Dvorak It happens. But anyway…

Leo Laporte Peter Norton has got a whole museum.

John C. Dvorak Yeah Peter – well Peter became a – he did a real good deal and he has been an art collector.

Leo Laporte Yeah an art guy.

John C. Dvorak So he started – he is collecting before he even sold his company.

Leo Laporte If you were Intel, and you were running around with $7.68 billion running a hole in your pocket, what would you spend it on?

John C. Dvorak I would buy you out Leo.

Leo Laporte You know what they could have given me just the point.

John C. Dvorak Just the point.

Leo Laporte Just the .768 I would have taken.

John C. Dvorak I don’t know why they paid so much.

Leo Laporte How are they thinking?

John C. Dvorak That’s why I think there’s something behind this, they have a patent, they had their sums…

Leo Laporte It’s got to be more than we know.

John C. Dvorak There is something in the background lurking and they’ve been – Intel now owns it and they are going to leverage it. That’s the only thing I can think of.

Leo Laporte I do also think that the Operating System is no longer the vector for viruses. I think that both Apple and Microsoft have pretty much figured out how to lock down the OS, yeah we are still seeing exploits, but virus authors are moving on to either third-party software like Flash, Adobe Reader or I think the future – young man, go mobile young man – the future for malware is going to be on these little devices.

John C. Dvorak Oh yeah, I am waiting.

Leo Laporte I just can’t believe we haven’t seen a big malware attack.

John C. Dvorak It’s going to happen soon.

Leo Laporte You agree Julio?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Sooner or later, yeah.

Leo Laporte Why not now? I don’t understand what’s taken them so long. We’ve seen a couple – there was a Trojan that was distributed wallpaper app for Android that I think sent text messages to a premium text service, so you get bill for 20 bucks or 50 bucks or whatever.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, that’s a good bit. That’s an old fashioned idea that still would pay off.

Leo Laporte Yeah. No, that’s a good one.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata But, Leo, here’s a question for you. You’re a big Android proponent you love the openness, it’s a wide open platform, Apple has its platform locked down, it takes a very great care in what it allows into the ecosystem. My question for you is, doesn’t that make Android more vulnerable?

Leo Laporte Oh that was such a soft buffet. I want to thank you Julio Ojeda-Zapata for making my life easy – just throw me a softball. See Apple distributes the illusion of security, because you cannot look at hundreds of thousands of apps and say, with any certainty that those apps are safe, if noticed Apple gives you no guarantee and in fact we know very well that apps sneaks through the Apple wedding process and do things that Apple didn’t intend, whether it’s an Easter Egg or that app that was unlocking people’s iTunes accounts and sending their passwords out to the developer, these things do happen. So, yeah, Apple – that’s apps. But I don’t think that that necessarily makes you any safer, I think it’s purely the illusion of safety. I mean truly do you think Apple can find every bit of malware, and every program it looks in?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata It’s like camera plus situation, is that –

Leo Laporte Perfect example. Yeah, there were a lot of – there’s a – there was a flash light program that had tethering, would enable tethering if you knew the…

John C. Dvorak Yeah, that was a good one.

Leo Laporte That stuff sneaks by all the time. I mean you cannot – plus you’re looking at the source code and even then it takes real expertise, you cannot truthfully certify that an app does everything that it says, it doesn’t nothing when it doesn’t say, you can’t. So I don’t think that that gives you any security. We’re just – it’s just a matter of time before somebody writes a...

John C. Dvorak And if you can do that execution thing that we saw with the – let’s jailbreak...

Leo Laporte Well, exactly.

John C. Dvorak That shows you the thing is wide open for abuse.

Leo Laporte Now Apple has patched that, of course. The 4.02 patched – but that’s – you’re right, I am sure there are others.

John C. Dvorak So another story that’s floating around seems to be something like Google the Movie…

Leo Laporte Yeah, that’s just a joke.

John C. Dvorak Oh is it?

Leo Laporte Now we can talk about The Social Network, that’s a Facebook movie that’s coming out next month.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, yeah.

Leo Laporte And apparently Mark Zuckerberg is not happy. Elliot Schrage, the Director of Communications of Facebook, saw the movie and said, we don’t like it.

John C. Dvorak I am sure they don’t.

Leo Laporte What they’re going to – normally Hollywood, won’t they make a deal with the public figure that they’re going to cover, I mean I guess Richard Nixon...

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Not if it’s based on a book.

Leo Laporte Yeah, well does a book catch you off the hook?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Yep.

Leo Laporte It does.

John C. Dvorak Yeah – if there is – yeah, if you true to the book. They have to sue the book. I don’t know – I think they’ll be worth watching.

Leo Laporte So you saw the trailer, the original – the trailer for The Social Network, right? The Facebook Movie. You’ve seen that, right? John?

John C. Dvorak No.

Leo Laporte Have you not?

John C. Dvorak I haven’t seen it.

Leo Laporte Oh Okay. Okay, so in order to set up this Twitter movie, we’ve got to set it up with the Facebook one. So I want to show you the Facebook...

John C. Dvorak You mean the Google movie?

Leo Laporte Oh I don’t know about the Google one. There is a Twitter one. What’s the Google? This is a new mean.

John C. Dvorak Let’s get back to the Hitler movie.

Leo Laporte This is a new mean. This is replacing Hitler because the Hitler thing, you can’t do anymore. So this is the new mean is to make a parody of The Social Network trailer, so in order to see – in order to understand the parody, you’ve got to see the work, so let me play the trailer if I can find it here for The Social Network, which I am excited about. I think it’s going to be good.

John C. Dvorak I don’t know.

Leo Laporte You don’t think so?

John C. Dvorak Yeah, I doubt it.

Leo Laporte All right. This is The Social Network, this is the upcoming movie, written by Aaron Sorkin by the way, about Facebook. And I’ll read you any subtitles.

John C. Dvorak It sounds like a Sorkin movie.

Leo Laporte Yeah, you can hear it. Yeah. It’s like the West Wing. Wait a minute, is this it?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata There are several trailers, that’s one of them.

Leo Laporte Okay, this is one of it.

John C. Dvorak This is terrible.

Leo Laporte This is so good, but this is before they had a movie, they were just using stills. This –

Julio Ojeda-Zapata There’s a trailer that show scenes from the movie...

Leo Laporte Yeah, let me see if I can find out. So this is – this is an early trailer. This is a teaser. Let me see if I can find – that’s on Yahoo!

Julio Ojeda-Zapata You can try go to Apple’s website.

Leo Laporte Apple has all of these, don’t they?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Yep.

Leo Laporte Full trailer for Facebook movie, The Social Network hits the web. All right. Let’s see this one. This is from TechCrunch, TechCrunch would never lie to us, would they?

John C. Dvorak No. Just like the Wiki.

Leo Laporte All right. Here we go. This is the theatrical trailer. Go full screen on this one. I’m my own producer, so I tell myself what to do. Go full screen Leo. If this is the same thing, I’m going to be mad.

John C. Dvorak It’s definitely the –

Leo Laporte TechCrunch lied. It looks the same damn thing. I don’t want to hear this lame music anymore. Okay, never mind.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata But there is a trailer of the Zuckerberg character sitting at a large table with university officials I think they are and just being a snotty ass.

Leo Laporte This is – what don’t you understand, yeah.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata So it looks like a really good movie.

Leo Laporte So here is the Twitter – somebody made a parody version, this is Twitter: The Movie.

Leo Laporte Twitter, what’s happening? My hair is sad today. ‘My computer is being a fart butt right now,’ perv47. ‘Totally forgot what I was going to type. Oh, now I remember. Nope, lost it again.’ ‘The Dallas Cowboys just asked me out!’ Kim Kardashian. ‘Whoever threw that water bottle at me, I forgive you,’ Justin Bieber. ‘I wonder what Matt’s doing right now,’ Ben Affleck. ‘My dad just died, Dancing with the Stars finale starts in five minutes.’ ‘Just left my wife and kids. w0ot!


Leo Laporte I love it that he looks like Kevin Rose.

John C. Dvorak He looks just like him, it’s hilarious.


Leo Laporte I wish they didn’t call it the TWiT network but other than that.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, really cheese.

Leo Laporte I’ll give them that.

John C. Dvorak Or maybe it’ll actually help the business.

Leo Laporte You know, nothing can help the business at this point.

John C. Dvorak So here is another one –

Leo Laporte Yeah, let’s move on.

John C. Dvorak Google buys visual shopping engine

Leo Laporte Yeah this is – I know these guys, RIA made a really powerful engine – they were up in Toronto, we interviewed them on Call for Help. They made a very powerful face recognition engine which nobody could use or wanted or bought so that then they made it a shopping engine where you take a picture of vase and then you’d find a similar vase. So it’s a really good software. Google ended up doing the same thing from another – they bought a technology from another company in Picasa. For some reason they’ve now also bought the RIA spinoff called

John C. Dvorak What’s

Leo Laporte Oh that was boring. I can’t believe what a boring story that was.

John C. Dvorak Yeah it is. But what is Google –

Leo Laporte Yeah, I don’t know, I think we should fire the chat room.

John C. Dvorak No, let me go back and see what else they got.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Well I’m a big fan of Google Goggles and –

Leo Laporte I love Goggles, yeah.

John C. Dvorak What is Google Goggles –

Leo Laporte Here, watch this, John.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Quite possibly this technology could sort of be built into that to allow for greater recognition than it does.

Leo Laporte No, in fact Google said – when Goggles came out, people said, well can you do face recognition with it? They said, yes you can but we’ve turned it off.

John C. Dvorak Why?

Leo Laporte Because they don’t want people walking down the street taking pictures of hot chicks and finding their address.

John C. Dvorak Oh, I never thought of that idea.

Leo Laporte Oh, he says. So the idea of Goggles is –

John C. Dvorak So let’s turn it back on.

Leo Laporte Well, you know – this is my point, the government already knows how to do it. So why shouldn’t I be able to do with my phone.

John C. Dvorak None of this works on my phone.

Leo Laporte Books and DVDs, landmarks, logos, contact info, artwork, businesses, products, barcodes or text, you take a picture of something and like if I were in front of the Eiffel Tower I can take a picture of the –

John C. Dvorak What the heck is that?

Leo Laporte What is that? And then I would know – what it is. Now it won’t work, it says with animals, furniture or apparel. That’s why they bought because does work with furniture and apparel. And you can also use Goggles to translate text from a foreign language, that’s new. Wow! That’s amazing. So I could take a picture of – let’s enable search history, because I think Google needs to know more about me. And we’re going to get started. So what should I do? I need to find a picture of some foreign language text, where would I find that?

John C. Dvorak You’re probably on the bottle of Leoville.

Leo Laporte I bet you a Google search for the word ‘Caliente’ I don’t know. Oh that didn’t work.

John C. Dvorak It’s some sort of a joke I’m missing there.

Leo Laporte No, there’s no joke. I just – I thought maybe if I took a picture of something in Spanish – oh look when I entered Caliente, this is what showed up. But that’s not in a foreign language

John C. Dvorak It looks foreign to me.

Leo Laporte Okay. Let’s move on. You got another story? I’m so sorry; Julio would you like to come back in another episode?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata I’d love it. But one point about goggle, Goggles and Google voice are the two things on the Android platform that I get frantic are not properly implemented on the iPhone. I just – oh and the driving directions. Those three things on the Android platform are absolutely killer.

Leo Laporte You might as well get used to it because the Google’s not going to implement stuff – I mean as they get more and more powerful here. In fact I – now, okay I’m going to try this out on you, I keep trying it out on people, nobody likes it but – don’t you think John we’re coming back to that day where it was, Mac versus Windows now it’s iPhone versus Android.

John C. Dvorak Oh yeah absolutely, that’s the fractal.

Leo Laporte Yeah.

John C. Dvorak As soon as you saw it, we couldn’t miss it.

Leo Laporte It’s a fractal; it’s happening again.

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Leo Laporte And you’re going to see far more installed copies of Android…

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Leo Laporte You’ll see far more Android phones in a lot of different hardware…

John C. Dvorak And the iPhone will always be a little better.

Leo Laporte It will be a little niche product on one piece of hardware.

John C. Dvorak Well, not a little.

Leo Laporte No, it’s not going to as big as Android.

John C. Dvorak No, I know but it’s I wouldn’t call it niche.

Leo Laporte Well it isn’t niche yet. But I think we’re not far off. Now here’s where the turning point is going to happen. When developers, they – it hasn’t happened yet – the developers start saying, ‘hmm iPhone and Android, I think we better develop for Android, that’s where all the people are’. When that happens it’s all over.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Yeah, that’s what happened with the PC.

Leo Laporte Yep.

John C. Dvorak It wasn’t all over for the Mac. The Mac hung in there and –

Leo Laporte No, I agree.

John C. Dvorak You look around here, everything is a Mac.

Leo Laporte And Apple’s comfortable with that, they don’t need to be you know 10% or 20% of the market.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata They like to be this superior and small kind of a Napoleonic thing.

Leo Laporte Here’s some foreign text, I found some. This is Norwegian. So let’s just take a picture of something in Norwegian. [Foreign language] (72:18).

John C. Dvorak I don’t think you’re going to get anywhere speaking it.

Leo Laporte Okay, let’s – let’s – yeah you’re right, you’re probably right. So let’s see. I’m going to get my Goggles out and I’m going to take a picture with Goggles of this foreign language stuff. Let’s say I’m on a metro in a Norwegian city. And I don’t know where I am.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata It happened?

Leo Laporte So when I take a picture.

John C. Dvorak Assuming you get connections.

Leo Laporte And guess what I got?

John C. Dvorak You didn’t get anything.

Leo Laporte I got a link to Tarrant County College.

John C. Dvorak This doesn’t look like it works.

Leo Laporte It should – bang head here, is that what that says?

John C. Dvorak Seems unlikely.

Leo Laporte No. Text here it is – here it is. Okay text that’s it yeah – translate, okay. So no, no, no, here it is – here’s – this is what it – this is what this says according to Google: ‘100 thousands of new approaches, Sunday 1 CR then see nuts billed care from Pakistan here.’

John C. Dvorak Makes sense.

Leo Laporte ‘Read his 1000 ULL to 160,000 solutions.’ I think that that’s what it says.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, probably, yeah. Exactly. Somewhat – okay, looking at the article it’s about helicopters rescuing Pakistanis stuck in the flood.

Leo Laporte This is not the Babel Fish, let’s put it that way.

John C. Dvorak No, doesn’t even work. So somebody on the chat room sent me this link, the

Leo Laporte Okay, oh come on.

John C. Dvorak You know what it is?

Leo Laporte No.

John C. Dvorak and it’s apparently a – it’s a portal to Japan.

Leo Laporte They’re pranking you now.

John C. Dvorak You think so?

Leo Laporte You know that right?

John C. Dvorak I can’t believe they’d do that.

Leo Laporte They’re pranking you. This is as seen on G4, BBC, CNN, NHK and LCI. It’s a portal to Japan.

John C. Dvorak Looks like –

Leo Laporte This isn’t news!

John C. Dvorak This manga – manga and all.

Leo Laporte This isn’t news.

John C. Dvorak Well I don’t know, this is what they – this is the link I got.

Leo Laporte This is what you get – this is – you come here bearing wine and you do this? This is what you do?

John C. Dvorak Well, this is just the chat room set me up.

Leo Laporte You were set up, I set me up.

John C. Dvorak They tried – they’re trying to screw me.

Leo Laporte HP Tablets with palm operating system due early next year according to an HP executive, Todd Bradley. He also said on an Earnings Call yesterday that Microsoft based tablets will soon hit the market.

John C. Dvorak And then OS2, they’re going to do; they’re going to take every dead end they can find.

Leo Laporte I know you love OS2. Yeah…

John C. Dvorak And they’re headed in that direction.

Leo Laporte But don’t – do you think tablets…

John C. Dvorak Don’t you think it’s a little after the – little – the horse is out of the barn. Why do a Palm OS?

Leo Laporte Well, they own it.

John C. Dvorak Yeah. I know. But why buy it and do it, I mean, this is like a double – it’s like crazy.

Leo Laporte Double indemnity. You think this is bad as buying McAfee?

John C. Dvorak At least as bad.

Leo Laporte So do you think that – come Christmas time, we’re going to see hundreds of tablets on the market? Best Buy thinks so.

John C. Dvorak I don’t think there’s going to be as many as everybody likes to believe.

Leo Laporte You don’t think that there is a market there?

John C. Dvorak I think there is a market, but I don’t think they are all going to be hitting the market just before Christmas.

Leo Laporte By the way, if they tell you in the chat room to search for Cameron Diaz, don’t.

John C. Dvorak They have already done that twice. I got three or four things opened up on your machine.

Leo Laporte She is the most – oh thank you. She’s the most – according to McAfee, she is the most dangerous celebrity to search for.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, she passed up Jessica Biel.

Leo Laporte Lady Gaga about to pass up Britney Spears as the number one Twitterer.

John C. Dvorak And by the way, not to mention this, but when Twitter was first starting up, and we were talking about, I said, this whole thing is going to be destroyed and the number one Twitter person is going to be Britney Spears.

Leo Laporte You were right.

John C. Dvorak I can find that it’s almost two, three years ago.

Leo Laporte And you said by the way, when – I think I remember, when that happens, the Apocalypse.

John C. Dvorak No, the end of the world.

Leo Laporte End of the world.

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Leo Laporte Lady Gaga, though, is about to steal – go to Let’s just see. According to, Lady Gaga as of Friday had 5.6 million followers, actually she had 5,635,460 followers, Spears had 5,646,028 followers. Any minute now, in fact probably already Lady Gaga will have surpassed –

John C. Dvorak Stop the presses.

Leo Laporte Has she?

John C. Dvorak I don’t know. She’s got – right now, she’s got 5,728,170.

Leo Laporte Oh, she’s way – that’s Lady Gaga?

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Leo Laporte Let me see if I can remember how to spell Britney Spears. It’s something weird.

John C. Dvorak B-r-i-t-n-e-y, I think.

Leo Laporte Oh yeah. You do know how to spell. Britney Spears has, ladies and gentlemen, 5,697, 824.

John C. Dvorak She’s been passed.

Leo Laporte She is no longer the number one Twitterer. Lady Gaga – how’s John Meyer because we have John Meyer –

John C. Dvorak No, I don’t care. I don’t care about Lady Gaga or Britney Spears in this regard.

Leo Laporte Can you believe there is a site called fame –

John C. Dvorak And why does Lady Gaga have listed in 106,000 sites, as on her lists?

Leo Laporte Because everybody says – you know, this is my favorite celebrity.

John C. Dvorak And how – I really seriously doubt the Lady Gaga is following 148,000 people.

Leo Laporte Oh, yeah. That’s interesting. So –

John C. Dvorak Seems unlikely.

Leo Laporte So According to – let’s see, top social network stars worldwide –

John C. Dvorak And how many tweets – wait – which one do you have up?

Leo Laporte This is

John C. Dvorak Okay. Without looking at the screen how many tweets do you think Lady Gaga’s made to achieve 5.7 million?

Leo Laporte Oh must be. Many of my friends – I have tweeted three or 4,000 times. Many of my friends have tweeted tens of thousands of times. I guess, she is fairly new. Maybe 3,000 times.

John C. Dvorak 464. So she doesn’t even use the thing.

Leo Laporte Could you read us a sample of Lady Gaga’s tweets?

John C. Dvorak Well, they seem to be – I am looking at them and they are like I am going to be playing here, I am going to be playing there. But this one here says Portland, New York KISS Tacoma. 22 hrs. No worry little monsters, on the plane. Wouldn't miss the ball!

Leo Laporte She calls her fans little monsters.

John C. Dvorak I think she’s talking about the screaming kids on an airplane. Haven't left the studio. Each song I write, I feel closer to you.

Leo Laporte Oh please!

John C. Dvorak Miss you little monsters – and you’re right, little inspirations. X. Little monsters rule. VEGAS tonight, gambling and inappropriate attire to ensue. Why am I so jealous of strip club stage productions?

Leo Laporte Why do – okay, see people this is, I mean, this is kind of underscoring my point that Twitter is really just kind of this – I don’t know. I know, Julio, you made many friends on Twitter and I am happy for you but –

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Well, see Twitter has gotten so large that it’s no longer a single ecosystem. It’s very –

Leo Laporte You’re right. You’re right. There is no one –

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Yeah.

John C. Dvorak No, I agree with that. It’s true.

Leo Laporte Yeah, there’s no – just as there is no one Internet and one U.S.

Hey, I want to talk about Google Places. That will be our final story of the week. What do you think about Google getting into the geographic check-in space? We’re going to do that in just a second. Before we do that I want to mention our friends at Hey, we kind of missed them over the last couple of weeks. I’m glad to get them back, must because you are here, John.

John C. Dvorak Yes.

Leo Laporte I listen to audio books religiously; I listen to them in church. No no. I listen to them at the gym. I listen to them when I am driving. I’ll even actually volunteer for car pool. That’s how much I love audio books from Well over 75,000 titles now, really pretty much everything that comes out. We’re now to the point where almost everything that comes out is available on audio books. And if it’s available on audio, it’s available at

I am going to give you a couple of choices here, because you can get two free books with our special deal if you go to You’ll sign up for the Gold account, that’s two books a month. Oh, I just got my new two books, I’m so excited. Let me see what they are. Two books a month, and you can cancel anytime but those books are yours to keep. So they’re free, free for ever. Boy, I just got The Girl Who Played With Fire, that’s a second in the Millennium trilogy. I really loved the first one, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. And Anne Anka recommended this one, Operation Mincemeat. Remember the movie, The Man Who Never Was, John? That was a great World War II movie.

John C. Dvorak No.

Leo Laporte They took a dead body and they planted plans, phony plans for a D-Day invasion somewhere out in Normandy beach. And it was – I mean great detail, great attention went to this trick the Germans into thinking that the D-Day landing would happen in Greece. In fact the…

John C. Dvorak It wasn’t in Greece.

Leo Laporte No, of course it wasn’t.

John C. Dvorak No, I know, I’m saying, that wasn’t where the…

Leo Laporte The Germans moved their forces from Sicily to Greece, because they believed this dead body.

John C. Dvorak I thought there was another place that was a fake place.

Leo Laporte Dressed as a Royal Marine officer carrying false information about a pending Allied invasion of Greece. They let the body wash up on a Spanish shore near the town of a known Nazi agent. An amazing story, Anne just loves this Operation Mincemeat. But this is the book I was thinking maybe I would like to get as my next book after those two. The Big Lie: Spying, Scandal and Ethical Collapse at Hewlett Packard. That’s got to be a good story. This is the…

John C. Dvorak That’s got to be the one about…

Leo Laporte The pre-texting thing.

John C. Dvorak That was good.

Leo Laporte Must be juicy stuff. Was that Carly Fiorina? Yeah that was…

John C. Dvorak No, but – she was – she had left and it was what’s her name.

Leo Laporte There was a woman in between.

John C. Dvorak No, no. she was the chairman. Never mind. Just go on with your ad.

Leo Laporte I’m just teasing you. Fascinating story. This would be a great one. Anyway, the point is there are many, many to choose from. You could pick two and get them for free at They play on all the devices, the Zune, the Kindle, of course all the Apple devices. The iRiver. Even on many GPS devices. I just love Audible, and I know you will too. Give it a try. Two books free. Neal Stephenson’s The Baroque Cycle, Complete and Unabridged is now on Audible. That’s going to take a while to read. Holy cow. Oh, I’m so happy about that, Quicksilver, The King of the Vagabonds and Obelisk. So that’s not too bad.

John C. Dvorak I don’t know when you get the time to read at all.

Leo Laporte That’s the point, see you’re getting it now. I listen when I’m doing stuff that I…

John C. Dvorak You’re driving around in a hotrod out there?

Leo Laporte Driving around in the Mustang, at the gym it’s dead time, I get – because I work out every day and I spent may be half an hour driving here and there, hither and thither, housework. I probably get two hours of reading everyday.

John C. Dvorak Housework? What about the butler? Did you fire him? And the two maids? Two, ladies and gentlemen, two maids. Not one.

Leo Laporte The problem is, sometimes when they come, they leave and there’s still a little dust on the mantel, perhaps they didn’t get the Emmy completely clean, so I’ve got to just follow up, that’s all. It’s a little bit, it’s light housework, not heavy.

John C. Dvorak Two maids. Unbelievable.

Leo Laporte Give it a try today. You know there’s somebody out there who’s going to believe that.

John C. Dvorak What’s not there to believe?

Leo Laporte There’s two maids, but not at the same time. You’re doing shifts. The house gets dirty 24/7.

John C. Dvorak And – but it’s the butler that gets me.

Leo Laporte Look, somebody’s got to hang up my clothes, press my paper, things like that.

John C. Dvorak I guess he’s more of a valet.

Leo Laporte You really don’t want a wrinkled newspaper, John. When you wake up in the morning and it’s a beautiful day and the butler – and his name isn’t Jeeves, it’s Hector or something. But I call him Jeeves just because it’s easier to remember because they change. So I just call them all Jeeves. When Jeeves comes in with a breakfast tray and he says ‘good morning, sir,’ and my paper is there freshly pressed, there’s just is nothing like it.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, well, you lead the life.

Leo Laporte The life of Bertie Wooster., we knows you’re going to loves it! Now. I actually re-joined Facebook just so I could do this story.

John C. Dvorak Google? You’re talking about Google Places?

Leo Laporte Facebook Places.

John C. Dvorak Okay, Facebook Places. Now there’s – so what…

Leo Laporte Google’s got Latitude.

John C. Dvorak And then there’s the other one.

Leo Laporte Foursquare.

John C. Dvorak And Whurl.

Leo Laporte And Whurl. And Gowalla. And My Town.

John C. Dvorak I had a long chat with the Whurl guy. Holden.

Leo Laporte Yeah, I mean these guys have to be quaking in their boots.

John C. Dvorak Holden doesn’t think so. He thinks that these guys are all doing everything wrong.

Leo Laporte This is just like when IBM released a PC in 1981 and Apple took out the full page ad, saying, welcome IBM, seriously, we’re glad to have you on the biz. This is the classic line. ‘Oh, it validates our business model.’ That means you’re going to be out of business in a year.

John C. Dvorak We’ll see.

Leo Laporte Don’t you think Facebook with all of this is just going to dominate?

John C. Dvorak Well, Facebook has an edge. I think we should be talking to the Attorney General.

Leo Laporte They have too much of an edge, you say. What do you think, Julio? Are you going to – now, do you use any of these check-in programs?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata I like these in theory, but I’m a forgetful person and I always go to a restaurant, have my meal, leave and then go, doh! I forgot to check in.

Leo Laporte Oh, you would like this new one,, where you – you would like this too, John. You take – if you had a particularly delicious meal or you’re about to have a particularly delicious meal, you snap a photo of it and you post it, and you get, I think when you join you get 5 nom noms…

John C. Dvorak What? Yeah, I’m going for this one.

Leo Laporte So here’s Facebook Places, if you have a – you have to have an iPhone to use Facebook Places. If you do and you’ve got the latest version of the Facebook app, you’ll see this new icon. It’s slowly being rolled out for everybody. But here’s what you’ll get. You click it, your friends’ check ins will be there, your check in, you just press check in, you say where you are. It’s very much like Foursquare. Here’s one thing that is a little different and I think it’s a little creepy. I can check in but I can also say, oh, and I’m not alone, this guy is with me also. And I can add him to the check in. So in other words, I can check in…

John C. Dvorak Your buddy.

Leo Laporte My buddy.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, great. That’s great for privacy.

Leo Laporte Don’t you think that’s a little weird?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata And there was some interesting article about that in – I think it was in New York Times, I can’t remember which newspaper – but somebody wrote an essay, an opinion piece about how she was at a restaurant, she checked in, and then she went ahead and before her dining friends arrived, she went ahead and checked in all of them. And then when they arrived, she told them, ‘hey, I checked you in.’ And she didn’t expect any objection, because all her friends are big Foursquare users and so on so forth. Her friends unanimously were pissed at her, how could you possibly do that?

Leo Laporte Yes. Yes. Now I think you get a warning…

John C. Dvorak I agree with that.

Leo Laporte I think I just checked in for instance Adrian Lamo into the TWIT cottage, he’s not here but I just checked him in. I think Adrian would then get a warning on his Facebook saying, ‘Leo checked you in, is that right?’ But I’m not sure. And this is the problem with Facebook. It’s kind of Byzantine, all the different settings and so forth. I thought – it had looked to me like it was an opt-in thing in general, that if you didn’t opt into places, you wouldn’t be using it. But I’ve been told by a number of people that no, they were in fact already opted in and they had to opt out. So again, once again, Facebook is kind of toying with these privacy settings. I’m not sure…

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Well, they opt you in, but they keep it to the only friends setting.

Leo Laporte Ah, so I could change the settings to make it be...

Julio Ojeda-Zapata To broaden it.

Leo Laporte Broader. All right.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata But you said, you know, is Facebook going to crush Foursquare. I would make an analogy, the iPad was supposed to crush the Kindle. I think that’s a…

Leo Laporte True.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata An apt analogy.

Leo Laporte And we should point out that Foursquare had more signups the day after Places came out than it ever had had before.

John C. Dvorak It validated their business model!

Leo Laporte But I have to think in the long run, given – isn’t everybody except me on – well I’m on Facebook now too, aren’t I?

John C. Dvorak I’m not.

Leo Laporte You’re not? I left Facebook, but I realized I’m at a disadvantage covering things like this, because I have to – I kind of have to have it. It’s funny…

John C. Dvorak No you don’t.

Leo Laporte Well, I have to try it. I won’t…

John C. Dvorak No.

Leo Laporte See, it says, ‘I checked in a TWiT College…’

John C. Dvorak This is just another time waster.

Leo Laporte It is. I hate it. I don’t…

Julio Ojeda-Zapata What’s really interesting about Facebook though, my high school class in Puerto Rico, every 4 years has a reunion. Four years ago, we were planning our reunion, I and a fellow classmate who also happens to be called Julio, two geeks, the two Julio geeks of class, we built a website for the reunion. Very interesting, you know, four years later, that whole thing is pointless because all the planning, all the interactions are being done on Facebook on a Facebook page.

Leo Laporte Yeah. So you know, there is a strong incentive that if you don’t participate, it’s like not having an answering machine, John.

John C. Dvorak I haven’t had an answering machine for decades.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata And in fact, good friends of mine from my high school class, they say, ‘oh, did you see those new pictures that we put on the class page?,’ and I loathe Facebook. And so I visit it as little as possible. But I feel this obligation, this pressure to sort of keep up with the class page.

John C. Dvorak I refuse.

Leo Laporte Yeah. I’m looking for Places information in the settings, and I don’t – I don’t…

John C. Dvorak Yeah, you’re baffled.

Leo Laporte Oh here it is. Places I check into. So you can say everyone, friends of friends, friends only, or customize, let’s customize it. I can say, make this visible to everyone except not John C. Dvorak.

John C. Dvorak Here we go.

Leo Laporte So you can actually add people to say…

John C. Dvorak Negatively.

Leo Laporte Hide it from these people. That’s interesting. So if you’re being stalked or something like that, you could say everybody…

John C. Dvorak Or a hitman is out to kill you.

Leo Laporte Right. You could say, everybody but the mafia.

John C. Dvorak So – okay. Ca we – before we’re going to wrap, because you’re going to – you were getting to…

Leo Laporte I’m about to wrap, yeah.

John C. Dvorak Let me just – the chatroom’s got a breaking news, I don’t know, maybe this is old news, maybe…

Leo Laporte This is exciting, this is exciting, I love this breaking news. My Facebook URL, by the way, I don’t know, is Leo – I don’t know, Leo Laporte probably. And then we have a TWiT page and a – I don’t know, I have to look, I don’t know.

John C. Dvorak His butler does most of the writing, don’t believe any of it.

Leo Laporte Jeeves, could you check me in please?

John C. Dvorak Chatroulette 2.0 is coming out. Did you know about this?

Leo Laporte No.

John C. Dvorak Apparently, this breaking news, stop the presses.

Leo Laporte How could you get better than 1.0? Really, seriously, what would you do to make – should I…

John C. Dvorak You know, I’ve never done Chatroulette?

Leo Laporte Let’s do it for John right now. What could possibly go wrong?

John C. Dvorak People in the background are laughing. Why are people laughing, I don’t get it, what's so funny?

Leo Laporte Oh, it says the experiment is over. You can’t do it anymore. Thanks for participating, renewed and updated version of the website will be launched tomorrow.

John C. Dvorak That’s Chatroulette 2.0.

Leo Laporte Holy comoly, I can’t play Chatroulette? That’s – what am I going to do?

John C. Dvorak I guess I got lucky.

Leo Laporte Okay, you want to see – you’ve seen the Chatroulette piano guy, right?

John C. Dvorak No.

Leo Laporte Well let’s end with that. This is – this is the Chatroulette guy with piano. Caution: This video may contain swears, whatever that is. He is improvising a song as he plays Chatroulette. His name is Mertin. Here he goes.

John C. Dvorak Somebody in the chat-room – somebody in the chat-room said we just hit the bottom, we hit the basement.


John C. Dvorak Oh, it’s Ben Folds from the Ben Folds Five.

Leo Laporte Ben Folds did a parody of this guy in a concert.

John C. Dvorak Then maybe is –

Leo Laporte This is not Ben Folds, this is Mertin.

John C. Dvorak Okay, well then we can wrap-up.

Leo Laporte Much like...

John C. Dvorak We’re going to be wrap it in a second ladies and gentlemen.

Leo Laporte All right. John C. Dvorak,

John C. Dvorak,

Leo Laporte And please give my best Adam Curry and tell him he’s welcome anytime.

John C. Dvorak And the By the way we have more people listen to it than watch it, that’s another good example.

Leo Laporte That’s really – Cranky Geeks, more people listen to it than watch?

John C. Dvorak Yep.

Leo Laporte That’s kind of surprising.

John C. Dvorak Doesn’t surprise me. Ever take a look at me?

Leo Laporte Yeah. Julio Ojeda-Zapata, so good to have you. Thank you for joining us, Julio.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Yeah, thank you. My Twitter header by the way is jojeda.

Leo Laporte And you’re looking for friends, right?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata I could use a [indiscernible] (93:05), yeah, sure.

Leo Laporte I said friends.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata Friends, yeah.

Leo Laporte Julio will have a beer with you if you tweet him. Just like that guy in Chatroulette.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata By the way, have you heard about the exorcism incident on Chatroulette?

Leo Laporte No, what happened?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata People – young guys would be on Chatroulette and they’d connect with this nubile young woman who would then begin disrobing.

Leo Laporte Oh dear.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata And – but then suddenly, her eyes would roll up into the top of her head and she would turn into this monster and she would sort of leap at the screen and sort of scare the heck out of the people who were watching, and it turned out to be a promotion, an ad.

Leo Laporte So like for – like some movie?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata I think for a movie, if I’m not mistaken, yeah.

Leo Laporte Okay, that’s – look they’re really excited – these young guys, they’re getting so excited. Now watch because – stand by – because any minute now something horrible is going to happen.


Oh dear. Oh god, that’s awful. Oh my god.

John C. Dvorak

Leo Laporte That’s coming out soon, I think.

John C. Dvorak I am telling you...

Leo Laporte That’s coming out.

John C. Dvorak ...I can’t keep up with all this crap.

Leo Laporte This is the – I tell you, viral marketing. It’s the big thing.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, I’ve heard of it.

Leo Laporte Yeah. Julio, thank you so much for being here.

Julio Ojeda-Zapata I really appreciate it and am honored. By the way, John, I have that exact same shirt you’re wearing.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, do you use it with the barbershop quartet or not?

Julio Ojeda-Zapata I can’t play an instrument. I can sing.

John C. Dvorak I have to wear something like this in the studio because otherwise you just kind of blend into the mess.

Leo Laporte Oh this is terrible. Oh my gosh, she’s terrifying people.

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Leo Laporte Yeah, this is not a mess, this is a carefully contrived studio full of objects d’art to attract the eye and appeal to the senses.

John C. Dvorak Hence the yellow stripes.

Leo Laporte Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us. You can watch this show, we do it live every Sunday afternoon, 3:00 PM Pacific, 6:00 PM Eastern at, that’s 2200 UTC. If you like tech news, you probably shouldn’t this show, you should be watching Tech News Today with Tom Merritt, that appears every day on the TWiT network, Monday through Friday. They begin the pre-show at 2:30 PM Pacific, 5:30 Eastern just in time for you to get home and watch it. Let’s see 2:30 PM would be 2330 UTC, right before midnight in the Greenwich Mean Time zone. Tech News Today with Tom Merritt, Becky Worley and a wonderful cast of smart people talking about the tech news every Monday through Friday.

Thanks for joining us. We’ll see you next time. Another TWiT is in the can.

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