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This is TWiT, this WEEK in TECH, Episode 288 recorded February 13th, 2011: It Came From The Nigerians

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Tom Merritt It’s time for this WEEK in TECH, I am Tom Merritt filling in for the vacationing Leo Laporte who last we saw he was being denied landing in Antarctica, we’ll talk about that in a second, first let’s introduce our panel for this weekend joining us from the’s Tekzilla show as well as Core on the Sony PlayStation Network and co-host of Sword and Laser with me, Veronica Belmont.

Veronica Belmont Hello, thank you for having me.

Tom Merritt Yeah, thanks for being on the show, I know you’ve been traveling a bunch.

Veronica Belmont Yeah, happy to be home and happy to be able to do the show, sorry I couldn’t make it into the TWiT Cottage I was just too much traveling, too tired.

Tom Merritt Also from the Houston Chronicle Mr. Dwight Silverman, just recently had you on Tech News Today, great to have you on TWiT now.

Dwight Silverman Yeah, good to see you again, and happy to be on TWiT as always and I love being on with John and Veronica, this should be a lot of fun.

Tom Merritt And now there you go, that is our final man Mr. John C. Dvorak last but certainly not least. It’s a pleasure once again to be doing TWiT.

John C. Dvorak I just got back from Tahiti.

Tom Merritt Yeah, I see it that where you got that shirt?.

John C. Dvorak No.

Tom Merritt Did you get that shirt at Walmart?

John C. Dvorak Yeah, exactly m because I’m usually shopping at Walmart every shot I get, yes, in Oakland.

Tom Merritt Right off the 280, or the 880.

John C. Dvorak You seem to know where it is?

Tom Merritt Yeah, that’s right, the in and out. This is TWiT and this week we’ve got a lot of announcement coming; I want to give a little of peek into the week ahead Mobile World Congress is kicking off in Barcelona right now actually there’ve been press announcements already today from Samsung, Sony and Nokia, tomorrow LG is expected to do announce the 3D Smartphone, that will be a 2:00 AM Pacific if you like to get up and see, does anybody need a 3D Smartphone? That’s just...

John C. Dvorak I thought all those phones were 3D, I mean I’ve never seen one 2 dimensional one.

Tom Merritt

Well that new Samsung Galaxy S2 is very thin, so maybe it’s…

John C. Dvorak Maybe they are thinking…

Tom Merritt Try and play of that, also Microsoft Steve Ballmer will be speaking at Mobile World Congress that would be at 7 AM.

John C. Dvorak Trying to explain away the Nokia deal.

Tom Merritt Well, Nokia had their shot at it today so it’s a one, two punch. Non-Mobile World Congress News Monday through Wednesday this week is when IBM’s Watson takes on the Jeopardy Champs.

John C. Dvorak Oh yeah, yeah, great.

Tom Merritt So, this is the computer versus man trivia contest. It’s going to be a blood bath; Watson’s going to kill, right?

Veronica Belmont You think so?

John C. Dvorak I think you could jam in, you know if they did it right, would, because I don’t know if you have known anyone has ever been on the Jeopardy show, but I’ve known two people…

Tom Merritt

I have known one person.

John C. Dvorak And they tell – and you ask him about it they – before you go on the show they kind of, first find out what’s your interests are, so they are not going to ask you strange things about Greek history and then they kind of talk about kinds of general things that everyone should kind of know about so, they kind of give you a hint as to what direction to show is – they don’t give you the answers or questions but they kind of let you know kind or where it’s going. So, they do that with the Watson to make things fair, in other words tell the computer what they are going to talk about, the computer could load up with every trivia about whatever and there’s no way that you can beat the computer in that regard.

Veronica Belmont I have a feeling they are not going to do it that way, I bet the apologist asked a lot of generalized questions and then the computer just know so much off the top it’s more about the way they asked the questions, it has to kind of parse the English and try to figure it out, because a lot of the questions are like riddles, right? They’re not just straight trivia questions, or straight questions about history.

John C. Dvorak The riddles are – right. Or there is a rhyme involved, and I hope that the computer fails to answer the question in the form of a question, now that would be great. Sorry, IBM Watson, but you did not answer this, and the computer will go what, I don’t know what are you talking about, and they would – the one small programming error.

Tom Merritt Syntax error, and they would start smoking.

Veronica Belmont Why would they answer the question with the question?

Dwight Silverman Doesn’t the Computer have an advantage in the butting pushing thing? Don’t you have to be the first to push the button, right? You don’t want to answer the question?

John C. Dvorak How does the computer push the button? First it has to know the answer and meanwhile it’s digging through the…

Tom Merritt So it sounds like the computer has an unfair advantage here because…

John C. Dvorak I think it’s got an unfair advantage

Tom Merritt They’re probably not going to, like you said, they are probably not going to narrow the fields for Ken Jennings, Brad Rutter because the computer has off fields…

John C. Dvorak Right.

Tom Merritt And then the computer has the ability to just trigger the button remotely.

John C. Dvorak In a nanosecond, yeah.

Veronica Belmont Yeah, it’s extremely fast of course so, there is that, but don’t give Ken Jennings a chance, he is a smart guy that Ken. I thin he has got a good shot.

John C. Dvorak Now, when is this going to be on?

Tom Merritt It starts Monday and then it runs through Wednesday, it’s three episodes.

John C. Dvorak It’s going to be the whole week is going to be – just a couple of episodes is going to be right. Okay, good.

Tom Merritt Yeah.

John C. Dvorak I may actually watch that.

Tom Merritt It’s worth putting on your DVR just to fast forward if there is nothing else. Tuesday more Mobile World Congress announcement from HTC, we’ve seen a lot of stuff from HTC in a past couple of months I’m not sure that we’re expecting anything huge from them. Has anybody heard anything in the rumor pipeline? I haven’t.

John C. Dvorak No.

Tom Merritt Wednesday the Electronic Frontier Foundation turns 21 and they’re having a party.

Veronica Belmont I can drink now, it’s adorable.

Tom Merritt Also the house sub-committee is scheduling their net neutrality hearings to begin Wednesday this is where Congress attempts to stop the FCC from implementing their guidelines. That going to happen? This is going to be fun to watch, should everyone turn on…

John C. Dvorak I don’t like any of this to be honest about it. I think the government is getting involved, I mean people went on and on about this net neutrality thing but I’m totally convinced that once the government gets involved they are going to start to regulate the Internet in such a way that’s not going to be a good thing.

Tom Merritt EFF agrees with you actually, they’re kind of like we believe in net neutrality but we’re not sure that we need the government to come on enforce it. I personally think we need more competition and that will ensure net neutrality.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, I would rather go with your thinking then the current thinking.

Tom Merritt Finally, Thursday the HP Pre 2 that was announced we’ll talk a little bit more about that later, will be available for pre order for a $100 on Verizon, will there be lines?

John C. Dvorak So, now, give us the price again?

Tom Merritt A $100.

John C. Dvorak A $100 for what?

Tom Merritt For the HP Pre 2.

John C. Dvorak And so for what? 50 bucks you get two of them?

Dwight Silverman Yes, second prize to Pre 2, they are selling it unlocked too, how much are they selling it unlocked for?

Tom Merritt You know what I don’t have the price…

John C. Dvorak Now you are talking.

Tom Merritt I think it’s something like if I remember it’s something like $450.

John C. Dvorak It’s kind of high.

Dwight Silverman But it’s not that different from the original Pre, I don’t quite – I don’t understand what the draw is prickly when they have got the Pre cubed, and the Veer coming out later so, I don’t know what the drawer?

Veronica Belmont Yeah, I still don’t know anyone with the Pre but maybe my circles of friends don’t just not..

Dwight Silverman I know two guys with the Pre. Both of them…

Veronica Belmont Target – I don’t know, it’s a decent phone though I mean it’s not a bad phone and not so good price point and that’s got pretty solid price point for it.

Dwight Silverman I know two guys with the Pre both of them have taken it – have had to go back multiple times to get the hardware replaced and they – it’s brand new just replacing it, you bring it in and it’s broken or cracked or particularly the slider gets real loose and they just giving them back out again so, I’m not a big believer and it looks like its not very well made hopefully the Pre 2 will be a little better, I don’t know.

Tom Merritt Alright, let’s go with the Mobile World Congress Announcement that came today Samsung did exactly what everyone expected, they announced a Tablet and a new Galaxy S phone, the new Tablet is a Galaxy tab but it didn’t call it Galaxy Tab 2, they call it Galaxy Tab 10.1.

Veronica Belmont Lame.

Tom Merritt After the screen size 10.1 inch.

Dwight Silverman Interesting.

Tom Merritt It’ll have Tegra 2 inside, honeycomb, dual cameras so 2 mega pixels on the front 5 mega pixels or 8 mega pixels on the back. All in all it sounds – the spec sound pretty much like every other Android tablet I’ve heard announced.

John C. Dvorak Yes, so, okay next topic.

Veronica Belmont I think it’s a solid competitor to the iPad though, I think it’s a good device, or at least looks like a really good device.

John C. Dvorak You are just being nice. She is being nice.

Veronica Belmont Give them a chance, I mean, come on, it s got the Tegra 2 is really fast, it got it a solid design.

John C. Dvorak You never know there may be a sponsor sometime in the future, go lie with them. Go lie with these guys, you never know.

Dwight Silverman For me it doesn’t – none of it matters till we see the pricing on it because if it can’t, even if it can’t compete with the iPad in pricing, consumers are not going to go for it in droves, the disaster of the XOOM pricing is a good example for that.

John C. Dvorak What are they thinking over there?

Tom Merritt You know, there was that – Best Buy page that went up with the price at $1,199 and then very quickly Best Buy yanked it down and said that was a placeholder price, it’s going to be that price. But $800 seems to be the consensus of …...

John C. Dvorak That’s still too high, isn’t it?

Tom Merritt Yeah it’s too high.

Veronica Belmont It’s a lot of money. I’ll be excited about the 8 megapixel camera on the tab.

Tom Merritt That’s really the only differentiator there, it’s got to pretty nice, well, I don’t even know if it’s a nice camera. It’s got more megapixels, it doesn’t mean – yeah.

John C. Dvorak Samsung is a notorious company for having lousy cameras.

Veronica Belmont Which is funny because didn’t they have the first 8 and 10 megapixel camera phones something like that.

John C. Dvorak They need all those, they need tons and tons of pixels because of the blurry quality of the lenses and the rest of it. I think that’s the reason, but who the hell needs that many pixels.

Tom Merritt If I tell you that this was a Tegra 2 tablet 16 Gig or 32 Gig with Android 3.0 Honeycomb on it and didn’t tell you it was the tab.

Veronica Belmont Sounds good to me

Tom Merritt You wouldn’t know it was any different from any other tablet out there?

John C. Dvorak I wouldn’t, yeah.

Tom Merritt And so, it’s all going to be differentiated on price point, I have a feeling. The other thing they announced was the Samsung Galaxy S II a dual-core phone, 1 Gigahertz CPU, 4.3 inch, Super AMOLED Plus screen and as we mentioned earlier, extraordinarily thin everybody is raving about how it just kind of disappears in the hand. I believe Chris Ziegler from Engadget cut himself on it.

Veronica Belmont He was bleeding uncontrollably. It was awful.

Tom Merritt No, the shell measures 8.49 millimeters, making it probably the thinnest smartphone that’s been put out yet.

John C. Dvorak I like that. You can also use it as a weapon

Tom Merritt Yes, that’s right.

John C. Dvorak Just flick it, you could probably…

Veronica Belmont You got something in your teeth, you can just use it that way. Use the glossy finish on the back, and it’s great.

Dwight Silverman Is it running 2.2 or 2.3?

Tom Merritt You know, I’m looking for that. I think I recall seeing something that it was going to come out with 2.2 when it comes out but I’m not – I may be confusing that with one of the other announcements today. Because I don’t see that.

Dwight Silverman Yeah I hope they’re better at updating it. I hope they are better at updating it for since they –

Veronica Belmont The chat room is saying 2.3.

Tom Merritt Okay it’s 2.3. You’re right.

Dwight Silverman 2.3? Oh that’s good. Okay. Because they’ve just been – Samsung has been awful about updating it’s – the Galaxy line of phones and that’s been a bit of a problem with Android and I hope that they do better at it starting with this one.

John C. Dvorak Is anybody on this show here have one of these Samsung phones or any sort of Samsung phone ever?

Tom Merritt Yeah. We have the Nexus S which is a Galaxy phone.

John C. Dvorak Oh, Right.

Tom Merritt Eileen uses it, so I get to play around with it sometimes. It’s a nice phone, it’s a great phone. Any of the faults of the Nexus S in my mind are faults of Android not faults of the phone. The phone works great.

Dwight Silverman All the Nexus S doesn’t have a front facing camera though which I kind of wish it did. It’s really – it’s a great – the Galaxy S cameras are nice. They’ve got these all little glitches that I’ve – that most of have been fixed, like it came out with terrible GPS initially. GPS couldn’t connect and hold.

John C. Dvorak The chat room – I’m sorry, but the chat room has got a bunch of these phones. They love them.

Dwight Silverman Yes. People have them, love them. People have them, love them.

Tom Merritt Also the TOUCHWiZ interface, it’s Samsung modified Android interface, might be coming on this as well which could not ruin it but that could change a lot of people’s mind. A lot people just want the generic interface. Nexus S has a front facing camera.

Dwight Silverman Oh, it does?

Tom Merritt Yeah. So says Eileen from the other room and she’s got one in her hand so I tend to believe she’s right.

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Tom Merritt All right Sony also had their Mobile World Congress announcement today as well. The Sony Ericsson Xperia Pro was announced. The Sony Ericsson Neo was announced but the star of the show was something we’ve pretty much seen everything about the Sony Ericsson Xperia Play which is the first phone to have the PlayStation mobile suite in it. It’s essentially going to be the flagship for that experience and everybody has got their hands on it. There seems to be saying nice things about, maybe they’re just full of hamon and chava but everybody says that the buttons feel good, it’s fun to play on and they’ve got some good titles to launch with.

Veronica Belmont Yes. There’s going to be a lot of big titles on there. I’m just curious to see what’s going to be exclusive to the Xperia versus what’s just going to be available on all Android phones. I wonder if the interface will have any – not the interface but rather the buttons and the control scheme will have any affect on what titles get shipped on Xperia versus other Android devices.

Tom Merritt Right, because the PlayStation suite will be available for all Android phones. They announced today that system will ship will Asphalt Adrenalin 6, Bruce Lee, Star Battalion, The Sims 3 and Tetris along with a “legendary” PlayStation title.

John C. Dvorak Which would be – what’s the big PlayStation title that would be legendary, one of the big ones? Does anybody know?

Veronica Belmont Maybe God of War; I have no insider knowledge on this by the way, I’m totally just making stuff up, yeah, I don’t know.

John C. Dvorak Angry Birds for the PlayStation.

Tom Merritt Well like, yeah, I mean let’s think about it, Sonic for SEGA, it’s Mario for Nintendo, it’s Halo for Xbox but what’ll be the legendary Sony PS ….

John C. Dvorak This is pathetic. We’re not big gamers apparently, we know. We knew right the top of our head, we know. Somebody in the chat room knows.

Veronica Belmont No, I have my guess.

Tom Merritt Final Fantasy, everybody.

Veronica Belmont I made my guess.

John C. Dvorak Final Fantasy?

Veronica Belmont Ooh, may be.

John C. Dvorak It could be final fantasy.

Veronica Belmont That’s a good guess too, yeah.

Tom Merritt Ratchet and Clank.

Veronica Belmont Ratchet and Clank

Dwight Silverman What’s that – is it …

Veronica Belmont I think that also everyone saying Metal Gear Solid, they’re saying Tomb Raider.

Tom Merritt Metal Gear Solid and everyone, yeah.

Dwight Silverman What is the game that was initially available only on the PlayStation where you kind of roll junk and make a bigger ball.

Veronica Belmont Katamari.

Tom Merritt Katamari Damacy, yeah.

Veronica Belmont Yeah.

Dwight Silverman Yeah that would be interesting on a phone. That would be …

John C. Dvorak No, no, no. That was a Nintendo game.

Veronica Belmont You could use the internal like – like the accelerator and the – what gyroscope, gyroscopic like in throttle accelerator, you know to roll the ball around and catch things up in the Katamari ball.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, I remember that. It was a great game actually.

Veronica Belmont No one is with me on this? Come on.

John C. Dvorak I like that game. That’s a great game.

Dwight Silverman That would be.

Tom Merritt We’re all too busy looking at the specs of the Sony Ericsson Play.

John C. Dvorak We’re all online here. It’s pathetic.

Tom Merritt We’re all IM-ing people.

John C. Dvorak What kind of a show is this?

Tom Merritt Tony upstairs says Gran Turismo.

John C. Dvorak It could be. We could just like you …….

Veronica Belmont It would have to look really good for Gran Turismo to be it.

Tom Merritt They are already doing the Asphalt racing game.

John C. Dvorak How about Grand Theft Auto on the Play –

Tom Merritt GTA.

John C. Dvorak Wouldn’t it be great, because you’ll be – you’re sitting there on an airplane playing this thing and you’re bashing a hooker you know.

Veronica Belmont John your knowledge of video games is impressing me. I have to say, I’m very impressed right now. Are you a big GT 5 player or GT 4?

John C. Dvorak No, I don’t even know what I’m talking about to be honest about it.

Veronica Belmont I’m just saying words, they sound like they’re from video games.

John C. Dvorak Just words.

Tom Merritt Though I really got impressed with either of these other phones. Xperia Pro is a slider device with a full QWERTY keyboard, 3.7 inch screen, 1 gigahertz Snapdragon CPU, Gingerbread Android 2.3.

John C. Dvorak And I think….

Tom Merritt Another 8 megapixel camera. This time from Sony though.

John C. Dvorak I think the more interesting story is this Nokia deal.

Tom Merritt Yeah that’s a – the Neo is the only thing we didn’t talk about. That’s the Sony miniature phone. It’s a – not a quite a feature phone but it’s a more affordable smartphone.

John C. Dvorak It’s like a Neo node as matter of fact.

Tom Merritt Yeah.

John C. Dvorak You don’t have a copy with you, or is that not it?

Tom Merritt Yeah, that’s it.

John C. Dvorak Well Neo node was half that size.

Tom Merritt It’s a little bigger than that. All right like let’s move on to the – Nokia had their announcement today as well and their announcement involved no phones it was Stephen Elop on stage defending the decision they announced on Friday to partner up with Windows Phone 7 as their future strategy.

John C. Dvorak There was a classic. Did you watch the whole thing? I watched the entire event.

Tom Merritt I watched most of it. I had it on while I was working. So I missed a few pieces.

John C. Dvorak I’ll tell you. I took some notes of course, I didn’t bring it with me. I think for one thing Elop is very much – he’s got the same cadence just and style of Bill Gates when he speaks. And there’s a certain cadence that comes out of Microsoft that is just Microsofty. And I’ve run into a bunch of these guys and they come out of Microsoft is exact. If they go to other companies and they do the same thing they have all these ideas and they think that they’re going to be successful with them; but I’m always thinking they don’t – they never seem to get it that when they were at Microsoft they were part of a monopoly company that really didn’t have to do a lot of original thinking and they didn’t have to make the right decision. All the right decision with Microsoft is that stone kill office. And let’s don’t kill Windows and we – that’s the only decision you have to make. Anything else should do is just gravy. And….

Veronica Belmont So do you think this is not a good idea?

John C. Dvorak I’m – yeah, I think it’s not a good idea. I think they should have at least – although nobody asked the question, I was very disappointed in the media because they didn’t ask the question of Elop whether or not they kept the option for Android open. He did mention that they’re keeping …..

Veronica Belmont It doesn’t sound that way.

John C. Dvorak It doesn’t sound that way but he did keep the MeeGo option open, so it’s a possibility and….

Tom Merritt Yeah. What they did is they said, “We’re going to partner up with Microsoft, they’re going to give us Windows Phone 7, we’re going to give them NAVTEQ mapping, and it’s going to be a tight partnership. We’ll be able to actually change the interface which nobody else has been able to do.” Symbian becomes what they call a franchise platform which I guess is finished for we’re phasing it out.

John C Dvorak Yeah right exactly.

Tom Merritt And then MeeGo becomes a research and development platform. They’re going to put out one MeeGo device this year and he keeps saying – he kept saying today in his announcement and it’s going to be the disruptive platform of the future. I mean it’s saving it for disruptive stuff. I don’t know what that means at all.

John C. Dvorak Well, the other thing – anyway there is a couple of things going on, in Finland there’s a walk out of a couple of the factories that employees are irked about this guy and the whole process. And there’s a term going around Finland called goof and it refers “to get out of Finland” because they – everybody believes that Microsoft is here. They’re going to do a deal and either buy most of Nokia and outsource it to China and pretty much close down killing 150,000 jobs in Finland. This is what they believe in Finland. And so this is problematic because if you’ve been to Finland or if you study how the Finns think, it doesn’t really – it’s not very compatible with Microsoft the way they think in Redmond, Washington. it’s just – they’re just culturally different. I think this guy should have taken a little more cultural anthropology. I think there’s a lot of issues here. I think it’s going to be fun to watch what would happen. I hope they are successful but I doubt if they will be. I also think they’re going to…..

Veronica Belmont I’m just so surprise because I think it’s – if Nokia doesn’t evolve in this way, there is no way they’re going to stay alive. Microsoft excels at getting their software out on devices whether it’s Windows or Windows Phone 7 or whatever platform they are trying to spread across the world. That’s what they do best and Nokia has been making hardware forever and they make more hardware for phones and I think anyone else in the world at this point. So the idea of getting Windows Phone 7 on Nokia devices across the world I think it makes perfect sense for both brands. It may not be good for the people in Finland but for the brand to be smart.

John C. Dvorak Well here’s a – I’ll ask you a couple of questions then. One, why can’t they do the same thing with Android which has apps and we’re in the world of apps and Microsoft has none, they have 8,000 I think.

Veronica Belmont They have – they’re growing apps, they’re growing apps. So they’ll get apps from Nokia into their store also.

John C. Dvorak It’s weak. What – any way your argument – how does that – how would that not apply exactly the same way to Android without the royalties that you have to pay Microsoft for the operating system which adds to bottom line.

Veronica Belmont But they went to – they tried to go to Android. That didn’t work out, they couldn’t work out a deal.

Tom Merritt They say – they said….

John C. Dvorak I have not heard of that.

Tom Merritt …..that Microsoft has offered them billions of dollars and then and they said that couldn’t work out deal with Android. And then today Elop said, “Our first priority is beating Android” which sounds to be like somebody who got pissed off over negotiations and it’s turning against them. Although they also said that they didn’t want to take Android because it would make Android too big.

John C. Dvorak Yeah. Well there’s another element, there’s a political element. The European Union – or specifically made a big stink about, oh! God if these guys go to Android there is going to be a duopoly with Apple and Android and we can’t have that because we know the EU hates American companies to begin with, of course and Microsoft they hate them too but then what else could they do. I think they should have may be done something I don’t know, may be all together different which I should not go into. Here is the problem as far as I’m concern, is that the Windows 7 phone straight up, I mean, straight competition with Android and the iPhone shows no traction. Now …..

Veronica Belmont I disagree.

John C. Dvorak Well …

Veronica Belmont Okay. Go ahead. Sorry.

John C. Dvorak I mean I’m just reading the monthly EU numbers. Apparently they sold the whole bunch of phones right off the bat, and then the thing went dead flat after they fill the channel up.

Dwight Silverman They haven’t released any numbers.

John C. Dvorak No. There’s some research companies that have said – I have to dig to this up now apparently to back up my own story. But there is….

Dwight Silverman You would see that when Microsoft has a hit, they release numbers and they trumpet them; and they have not released any numbers here. And I think that they are not selling these at all. When you use one of these phones, when you use a Windows phone it’s a great phone to use it but the problem is that no one’s going to try it in the era of Android and in the era of the iPhone. I don’t know necessarily that this race is over but you’ve got two people who basically – two companies that in terms on mobile have becoming clueless and they’re drowning and they’re trying to clean each other in order to survive. And there is no indication that they’ll do better together than they would have separately. They won’t be any faster, they won’t be any more agile and they are not going to have the same kind of mindshare that Android and Apple do at the moment.

Veronica Belmont I kind of disagree on that, because I think like I said earlier – no gimmicks really, good hardware and they’ve got the reach worldwide and Windows makes good mobile software, I think so anyway. And so I think the combination is actually a really good fit, and I think it makes the most sense for both of them to kind of go into a partnership together and their powers combined, their captain cellphone I don’t know. But no Nokia is into a great job of making smartphones these days that people really fell in love with, and maybe with the combination of Windows Phone 7, it will be something that they can do going forward because I mean, there aren’t going to be feature phones, the way of the past, it’s smartphones and even lower price smartphones going forward and Windows – Microsoft can make that happen for them.

John C. Dvorak Well, like the Indians like to say, two turkeys don’t make an eagle.

Tom Merritt Oh that was Vic Gundotra from Google, is that right?

Dwight Silverman Yes, is that right?

John C. Dvorak Yes, that’s right, the Google guy.

Tom Merritt Which I think he is Indian, right to say.

John C. Dvorak It could be, I think he’s Egyptian Indian.

Tom Merritt Yes.

John C. Dvorak Veronica, time will tell but I think that you are barking up the wrong tree with this thinking. I could be …

Veronica Belmont I think you are.

John C. Dvorak Yes, I know you think I am. Obviously.

Dwight Silverman All right, let me – I’ll play peace maker. Veronica has a point in that, the way where smartphones are going is, the cheap feature phones are going to replace by cheap smartphones.

John C. Dvorak Yes.

Dwight Silverman Nokia is very good at that.

Veronica Belmont I said that too.

Dwight Silverman What I said, right.

John C. Dvorak Everybody says that.

Dwight Silverman I think that at that point if Microsoft and Nokia execute well, they can pull it off. The problem is – this is what I said, is that they have not executed well on either of these lately up to now. And whether they can do it together is a big question. They can’t be agile, they can’t be swift if they’re too big.

Tom Merritt Is the problem with the Nokia N95 and the N97, the operating system or the hardware?

John C. Dvorak I think it’s the operating system more than anything.

Tom Merritt If it’s more than operating system then….

John C. Dvorak But …..

Tom Merritt I think Windows Phone could help save them.

Veronica Belmont Yes, the hardware is good.

Tom Merritt If it’s hardware problem …

John C. Dvorak The hardware is fine but the point is, people don’t make these associations. They’d only take of a piece; some that doesn’t work and say, well I think that the software is defective and the hardware is fantastic. And I don’t think people are even paying that much attention to any of these phones anymore, except for the fact – except what they can do and I think people are going for the – they are going for the buzz of the hundreds of thousands of apps and there whole app idea has been kind of rejected by Nokia from the get-go and it has largely by Microsoft with their kind of defensive posture, everything is included and we’re doing it our own way and this app thing is over-rated and all the rest of it, because nobody and then I’d say the same thing with Palm and the rest of these guys who don’t have the apps. People….

Veronica Belmont But the reason that people makes so many apps is because the devices are distributed over, like, millions of different people. If Windows has the opportunity to get on more handsets, then that means that more people are going to be willing to develop for Windows Phone 7 platform.

John C. Dvorak Well in your defense, I will say this, everyone that I’ve been in contact with that does apps, they claim that the development kit for Windows Phone is better than anything ever done by anybody. So you can really crank apps out, but then again it’s like at this point you got – you’re a little bit behind in this race. It’s like starting way late.

Tom Merritt Yeah. Microsoft is doing what Apple did at the beginning. Controlling the platform, limiting features. Apple didn’t allow third-party apps at first. Microsoft is at least allowing them but keeping a tight control over it, which – okay, that’s all fine and then that’s all well and good. But at this point, you’re 4 years behind the game. So, I’m not sure …

John C. Dvorak Way late.

Tom Merritt How fast you can catch up?

John C. Dvorak And Microsoft’s [ph] not known as a rabbit (28:00)

Tom Merritt We’re looking at another Microsoft Zune possibly, where they had – Microsoft Zunes are fantastic,

John C. Dvorak Great product!

Tom Merritt Competitor for the iPod.

John C. Dvorak Yes. It’s a great buy.

Tom Merritt Which no one buys anymore.

John C. Dvorak And I think this – and I think Veronica is being swayed by the fact and a lot of other people that this Windows Phone is a nice phone. It works well, it’s got – it’s just well designed, it’s the Zune phone. It’s just like the Zune.

Tom Merritt Yes.

John C. Dvorak But I think there is a jinx involved here. These guys are too little too late, they are not marketing this stuff right, they have a bad reputation, people actually want to hate them and I think it’s doomed.

Tom Merritt I think that …

Dwight Silverman It is a big marketing problem and Nokia is not better at it than Microsoft did.

John C. Dvorak And they never will because they’re finished. Finished guys.

Dwight Silverman You mentioned the N97 and the N98 and other than kind of like the people on the show and geeks, your mom didn’t know about the Nokia N97 and N98. They have no idea no how to market this stuff.

Veronica Belmont But they’ve heard of Nokia before.

Dwight Silverman And my thought is losing its Microsoft mojo – marketing mojo. I think they’ve been terrible at trying to market the Windows Phone 7 and I think that probably the two of them together, maybe they might make a complete market or I don’t know.

Veronica Belmont One more, one more point.

John C. Dvorak Two turkeys do not make an eagle.

Tom Merritt But two bicycle makers could learn to fly. That was Stephen Elop’s response by the way. Two bicycle makers ….

Veronica Belmont [ph] If your mom goes into the grocery (29:24) store and she sees two Windows Phone 7 devices and one’s a Nokia and one is an HTC which is one of my favorite manufacturers by the way. Which one is she going to pick? I mean Nokia is got this brand name recognition too that I think is really powerful and I think a lot of the general population is familiar with that brand and comfortable with it and if they want to get their first smartphone, low-priced and smartphone, maybe the Nokia will be their choice from them.

John C. Dvorak I remember 15 years ago, there was another big brand that had this fantastic reputation, actually better than Nokia’s at the time which was Ericsson. And now they’re just – they partnered up with Sony and they did the same thing, they panicked and partnered with somebody that’s not them.

Veronica Belmont But we just saw two great phones coming out on Sony Ericsson [indiscernible] (30:04) show.

John C. Dvorak Yes they are great, but I’m telling you, people – they’ll buy an iPhone. What do use by the way, Veronica?

Veronica Belmont IPhone. IPhone.

John C. Dvorak I’m sorry I didn’t hear you, what was that?

Veronica Belmont IPhone.

John C. Dvorak Okay just wondering.

Tom Merritt Alright, that’s it. Let’s take a quick break and thank our sponsor This Week in Tech is brought to you by Audible. I use it. I almost prefer – and I say this hesitating to risk hypocrisy because I used to make fun of Leo when I would hear him say, I almost prefer to use Audible books over reading. But I actually – now that I’ve been using Audible for a while, I almost really do, because I can read when I’m walking around, I can read when I’m doing chores. I like it when we get picks for Sword and Laser, the show that Veronica and I do on Audible. Because I read them faster, have you noticed that Veronica?

Veronica Belmont Oh yes, big time. Yeah, on all my commuting, everything I do, I’m listening to audio books now.

Tom Merritt Right now, the Sword and Laser pick – I’m going to be selfish and use that as my example is the Shadow and Claw by Gene Wolfe. It’s a fantastic book about a world near the end of its life and everything is so ancient that like rocket ships are now castles because the world has just kind of fallen back up apart.

Veronica Belmont Spoiler alert.

Tom Merritt Yeah, I guess, it’s not a big spoiler, comes in like the first few pages.

Veronica Belmont Oh Fine.

Tom Merritt But now that you are spoiled, you’re going to have to read the rest of the book. They sell it, it was originally put out as written as two books, the Shadow Of The Torturer and The Claw of the Conciliator, so it’s two books on Audible which you can get for free by going to – that’s TWiT and the number 2, don’t spell out 2. You can get two free audio books, Audible of course the provider of over 85,000 downloadable books. They have magazine subscriptions, they have newspaper subscriptions. You can have The New York Times read to you. So check it out, I’m going to recommend Gene Wolfe. Do you have another recommendation V or --

Veronica Belmont No, that’s what I’m listening to right now as well. So that’s my pick.

Tom Merritt What about you Dwight, any audio books you have to recommend?

Dwight Silverman I don’t – unfortunately I’m not an audio book listener, but I do like – I have listened in the past to Stephen King's Dark Tower series and that’s --

Tom Merritt I’m listening to that right now as well, just almost finished up with Wizard and Glass: Dark Tower IV. I was really disappointed that The Stand was not available yet on an audio book because I want to go read that before I go to

Dwight Silverman They’re still reading it.

Tom Merritt Yeah that’s probably true. They haven’t finished recording the unedited version that he put out. That’s probably totally right. John, you have an audio book request? No?

John C. Dvorak No, no.

Tom Merritt Okay. So check it out two free audio books available at

John C. Dvorak Very funny!

Tom Merritt and we thank them for their support. Alright let’s talk about the big news that happened almost immediately after TWiT stopped recording last week, AOL buying The Huffington Post. Probably everybody’s heard most of the details on this but Arianna Huffington takes control as President and editor-in-chief of the newly created Huffington Post Media Group.

John C. Dvorak And we all love that for the one simple irony.

Tom Merritt Now Michael Arrington and Joshua Topolsky report to Arianna Huffington.

Veronica Belmont Well.

Tom Merritt That’s like blog all star.

John C. Dvorak What could happen, what could be funnier?

Veronica Belmont I was laughing about that too, but then I don’t think that’s really the way the internal structure of AOL works, I don’t think they’ll actually have to report to her but I’m not entirely sure on that.

John C. Dvorak On your knees slave.

Tom Merritt And that was my first impression Veronica, I remember it several times of both the TechTV and CNET where they would bring in somebody who is kind of maybe a well known name in the industry and give him the title of Editorial Director or managing something.

John C. Dvorak Yes Editorial Director.

Tom Merritt And no one actually reported to them.

John C. Dvorak Editorial Directors are phony boney title.

Tom Merritt So when I saw this, I thought well yes they’re going to make her head of this group but the blogs aren’t actually going to report to her. They are going to continue to report the way they are, but then people are telling me that’s not true, that,

Veronica Belmont No, I don’t think anything is going to really change, I don’t think they’re going to – I don’t think Arrington going to have weekly meetings with Arianna or anything. I think it’s just fine –

John C. Dvorak Darling I don’t like – I don’t like this material,

Tom Merritt If they want to increase their video streams they will have weekly meetings with Michael Arrington from TechCrunch and stream them live on the internet.

John C. Dvorak Yes that would probably pack them in.

Tom Merritt AOL obviously going after top name blogs they – long time ago bought Webblogs, Inc. and got all the Engadget type blogs. They bought TechCrunch recently now they’ve got The Huffington Post. Is this going to save them?

John C. Dvorak No, but I think Leo‘s got a shot at getting a couple hundred million for selling the TWiT Network.

Tom Merritt You’re not the first, Jarvis was pushing that on This Week in Google this week as well. You think that’s where he really is, he’s not in Antarctica at all?

John C. Dvorak He’s doing a deal. Yes that’s why his plane couldn’t land because he won’t have any photos to show because I kept saying I want to see his photos. I want to see his photos, I want to see photos, he’s only got pictures of Buenos Aires, he can show those again, right. So, now there’s no photos of Antarctica because

Tom Merritt Convenient, isn’t it?

John C. Dvorak He is actually in Columbus.

Tom Merritt It’s Columbus where they do deals with AOL?

John C. Dvorak Yes, I don’t know what they do,

Tom Merritt They’d be in Arlington,

John C. Dvorak Arlington, Virginia. They moved to Arlington, Virginia, it should have been Columbus Ohio oh no that’s CompuServe, what am I thinking?

Tom Merritt Okay there we go.

John C. Dvorak And yes Arlington, Virginia just outside of the CIA Headquarters.

Dwight Silverman AOL is at Reston, they are in Reston, Virginia.

Tom Merritt Okay, yeah, right outside.

John C. Dvorak Reston?

Dwight Silverman Reston right.

Veronica Belmont I thought they were in Dallas?

John C. Dvorak Near Langley.

Tom Merritt Well it’s all that’s all suburban Washington, DC.

John C. Dvorak Yes.

Veronica Belmont Yes.

Tom Merritt Reston and Arlington.

John C. Dvorak It’s all Washington DC basically.

Tom Merritt You know the other thing people are criticizing this move is that Huffington Post has made their name on the backs of unpaid volunteers.

John C. Dvorak Volunteers. Famous ones a lot of them.

Tom Merritt Yeah, well people some people say you know what?

Veronica Belmont Yeah this is kind of tricky, isn’t it.

Tom Merritt You don’t have to give your stuff to the Huffington Post.

John C. Dvorak It’s amazing to me they pulled it off and now of course so these guys I mean I don’t know about you but I never – have not written for them but the – if I had been and I was getting no money and they just sold for $300 million, you think I’m going to even write another word unless I get some you know how bout where’s my kickback where’s my you know $10,000? I think all the writers that have been writing for Huffington Post should be demanding $10,000, $20,000, $30,000 minimum.

Veronica Belmont It was a great platform for a lot of people who wanted to get their opinions and voices heard but and obviously not being paid unfortunately, but this is kind of a sticky situation for the Huffington Post and I’m very curios to see what kind of conclusion they come to with the writers who have been doing a lot a lot of writing for them in the past over the past few years, it’s kind of incredible are they going to backpay people or are they going not pay them at all…

John C. Dvorak What do you think?

Veronica Belmont Are they going to pay people going forward?

John C. Dvorak What do you think they’re going to do? I know what I think they’re going to do. They’re going to blow them off. Yeah well too bad suckers!! And off they go.

Tom Merritt Well that you know it’s funny historically AOL has been through this before with there moderators, from their chat rooms. There is a very famous precedent setting case where AOL was hiring volunteer moderators for their chat rooms and message boards and they got taken to court and the court said look if you’re advertising for positions and you give them access to your corporate network and you treat them like employees you got to pay them.

John C. Dvorak Yeah but this is a little different the way Huffington handled it. She didn’t do it that way I mean I don’t know that --

Tom Merritt Very wisely, probably.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, I don’t know that they’ve ever advertised for any writers and I think they just send letters out to people, would you like to write, write something for us? Because we’ll print it we don’t pay but we’ll print it. I think it’s all been upfront. They haven’t been dishonest. They haven’t been like suckering people into writing for them, promising something at the end. And since they did it that way I don’t think they’re going to give them anything?

Dwight Silverman Yeah they just have a big enough audience that people will want to come to them and say oh you know I have this big megaphone and to a certain extent a lot of the things a lot of the models that The Huffington Post has kind of championed and has built up, we’ve been trying to mimic in the mainstream media world. We are working on doing aggregation kind of in the same way that they do. We’re linking to our competitors and doing the same type of things that they do. So to a certain extent they’ve been groundbreaking and have changed the media landscape. I don’t think that – I agree with John I don’t think that anything is going to change in terms of their writers unless there is kind of some kind of whole scale revolt, they’ll continue to work for free.

Veronica Belmont Yes and frankly if the writers that are currently writing for them don’t want to continue writing for them and not get paid then I’m sure other people will stuck up to the bet and want that --

John C. Dvorak And not get paid.

Veronica Belmont promotion as well. Yeah and also still not get paid.

Dwight Silverman Right. And not get paid.

Tom Merritt They get paid in exposure John.

John C. Dvorak Yeah I got your exposure right here.

Tom Merritt They could return the favor. Let’s move on – well, actually you know what, before we move on, I want to ask this one question. We saw this story from [ph] Eletta (38:56) a couple weeks back claiming that AOL makes 80% of their money off of subscriptions to dial up that people don’t need.

John C. Dvorak Yeah I think that’s probably true.

Tom Merritt So if that’s the case that’s not going to last.

John C. Dvorak Well at some point you would think.

Tom Merritt How can AOL continue as a content company if that’s true and I think what they’re doing is very smart here putting together these top name blogs but is it enough? Can they actually save AOL and turn it into a top tier content company this way.

John C. Dvorak I don’ t know why they can’t, if they have a good advertising sales network why they can’t make money doing this the way they’re dong it. And the way they keep things separately branded it gets you I think a little more attention. A lot of people have always believed they having a lot of flat sites rather than one consolidating a site like the New York Times where you go to different sections as opposed to going to completely different websites like Huffpost would be – it’s not going to say it’s not – you don’t go to AOL then jump to the Huffpost; you’d just go to the Huffpost I would think. I think it’s possible.

Veronica Belmont Tom how do you, how would say now that AOL is not a top tier content company, I mean with the sites they already have acquired?

Tom Merritt Well no that’s a really good question. Alright, they may be just by virtue of having collected all of these, but they’re not perceived that way. When people think of top tier content companies they think of others, they don’t consider AOL, they forget --

Dwight Silverman But who do you think of just off hand, top tier company? Yahoo!?

Tom Merritt IDG and --

John C. Dvorak IDG?

Veronica Belmont But these aren’t things you think of either, I mean you think of --

Tom Merritt Wired, Ars Technica, I mean in the technical space. So online content companies. CBS Interactive.

John C. Dvorak What about Yahoo!? What do you think of Yahoo!?

Tom Merritt I don’t think of Yahoo! as a content company.

John C. Dvorak Really?

No Tom Merritt

John C. Dvorak They are, they are a --

Tom Merritt They desperately want to be but --

John C. Dvorak I think they are.

Dwight Silverman Yeah, they are.

Tom Merritt I don’t use them as a content company. I never go to Yahoo! and read content.

John C. Dvorak Well a lot of people seem to go to Yahoo and that’s

Tom Merritt Lot of people go to Yahoo! I don’t know if they’re going there – well, you know, they do – I do read their movies section for some movies network.

John C. Dvorak They have a couple of sports writers that are outstanding considered some of the best in the country. They have a lot of content on – and Yahoo! Finance is outstanding. So it’s content but it’s not necessarily organized with columnists and writers but it’s a very good one.

Veronica Belmont Well, I think what AOL does a really good job of is picking up these content sites like Engadget and Huffpost and kind of keep – being hands off a little bit with their, I mean they’re still branding on those sites but what they’re really doing is taking that massive traffic that they still get from their homepage from and sending it out to the content sites out there and so it’s not like – they’re a content company but at the same time they’re just kind of filtering the traffic and sending people places that a lot of other people already end up at you know to start with.

Tom Merritt Yeah, and obviously I’m non-representative because everyone in the chat room is talking about their favorite Yahoo! content sections.

John C. Dvorak Somebody in the chartroom said ‘somebody break Veronica out of prison.’

Tom Merritt On the video version it does look a little bit like.

Veronica Belmont What every striped shirt in the world is a prison shirt?

Dwight Silverman Remember Tom that AOL – that Yahoo! did a big content deal with newspapers where they share content with them, there was also a big deal that they’ve done with the Associated Press, in fact when you click on a lot of links on Associated Press content from Google, it often goes to Yahoo! because of that deal, so they have a lot of content from a lot of varied sources and I think AOL is probably looking to do the same kind of thing. What I want to know is, and you mentioned- veronica mentioned the idea of their webpage driving stuff. I wonder how many people still use that webpage as a homepage.

Veronica Belmont Well that’s how Netscape got so far for a long time because people…

Tom Merritt Right. But how many people have left that?

Veronica Belmont …just leave AOL or Netscape as their homepage and then they get millions upon millions of hits if something gets landed on that homepage.

John C. Dvorak Yeah…

Veronica Belmont Kind of frightening actually.

John C. Dvorak It is frightening.

Dwight Silverman Yeah, Microsoft with MSN.

Tom Merritt So AOL should imitate Yahoo! if they want to succeed?

John C. Dvorak There’s the ironic question of the day. Took you that long to come up with something that was just like, that was just like, I don’t like the way this is going, let me come up with something.

Veronica Belmont And also I would like to think that more naval chic than prison chic. Okay, I’m going for the navy look.

Tom Merritt That is prison chic.

All right let’s move on to HP have their big announcement on Wednesday, HP webOS announcement. They announced an HP TouchPad 9.7-inch screen, so at least differentiates itself from the Android Tablets by being 0.4 inches smaller than most.

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Tom Merritt 1.3 mega pixel web cam, 16 or 32 Gb storage, making a big deal about the audio quality of it, they’ve got the Beats Audio by Dr. Dre created in there, 1.2 GHz Snapdragon processor and the touchstone charging, you can get a docx of it that wirelessly charges. WebOS like true multitasking looks pretty interesting, I haven’t picked up one of these does this – no, nothing John?

John C. Dvorak I like the little phone.

Tom Merritt You like the Veer?

John C. Dvorak Yeah. I think that’s…

Tom Merritt The HP Veer webOS phone.

John C. Dvorak I think it’s about time we went in that direction instead of the bigger, bigger, bigger. I mean when that Sprint EVO came out, it was like yeah know, it seems a little clunky and a little big, and this –I’ve got the feeling we’re going in the wrong direction.

Tom Merritt Galaxy s2 is bigger too, it’s 4.3 inches.

John C. Dvorak I don’t like it, it’s too big. I think people who don’t want to carry a big clunker, you can’t put it in your shirt pocket, it drags the shirt down and pretty soon you look like something’s wrong with you. And I don’t know I like that, the idea of that little phone. I may get – I may go with that phone.

Tom Merritt Really. You may get the original Pre was much smaller than the – than most other smartphones and people found trying to use that tiny little screen with the – with the cards and the multitasking system could sometimes be over frustrating particularly if you have big fingers, so I don’t know how well the Veer is going to do. The thing with the HP announcement is that…

John C. Dvorak It may not work but I’m…

Dwight Silverman …is that other than the operating system I don’t see much differentiation with that than anything else, it looks to me like an iPad clone. The operating system maybe very cool but when they were showing it off to journalists who were there, after the event they wouldn’t let them actually touch it, it was kind of like – the way they showed off the XOOM at CES where you can actually tap on things. So at this point it’s still vapor but they got – HP has one shot at webOS a hit and if they don’t score here I think it’s over for Palm.

John C. Dvorak Well let me bring up a point, I have wrote this up in a PC Magazine column, which I think that HP made the mistake of – there’s something going on that’s very subtle which is the Facebook phone and HTC and INQ have both made a Facebook phone even though they don’ t have branded as such and I think that if HP had rolled out a phone that was blue, and had Facebook logo on it and had a button on there or even just booted onto Facebook which is an alternative messaging system that could easily bypass SMS for these Facebook nut-balls who use Facebook 24/7, I think that would have been a huge success and it would change the way things are going. But right now there’s going to be a Facebook phone somebody’s going to do it, it could be Apple for all we know because they have done weird branded things, they did with the iPod with a couple of these special – specialty iPods, they could do it with the phone. And that would be a huge – it’s going to be a huge success when somebody does it. But meanwhile HP drops the ball on this or not paying attention to what’s not going around them apparently. And I think I agree with you, I think long term, they’re toast.

Tom Merritt Well INQ is putting it out exactly what you’re saying which is the Cloud Touch and the Cloud Q both boot right to a Facebook page.

John C. Dvorak Right.

Tom Merritt It’s integrated right in the front. So you think they’ll benefit from that the way you’re talking about?

John C. Dvorak What INQ and the HTC?

Tom Merritt Yeah.

John C. Dvorak Well they’re going be rolling this thing and discussing it at the Barcelona event, so we’ll see. But I think it – when I first heard this, I said, oh, there’s an idea that is – because the Facebook guys apparently worked with them, especially the INQ people did engineer it so it’s seamless, so you can pop it – it actually works well and I think that this is an interesting idea.

Tom Merritt Facebook is your user interface on the Cloud Touch and Cloud Q from INQ.

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Tom Merritt So you go right to the newsfeed, you can – and there’s some four buttons across the top for People, Events, Notifications and Places, it’s your contact manager, it’s your photo app, your videos, you can still do other apps on it because I believe it’s an Android phone underneath but it’s skinned Facebook.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, something there.

Dwight Silverman John, have you tried….

Veronica Belmont I do like that the INQ phone has replaced its native music player with Spotify, that’s pretty awesome.

Tom Merritt Not here yet, we can’t get Spotify.

Veronica Belmont No, but I mean it’s an awesome service. I mean you’ve tried it, right?

Tom Merritt Yeah. Spotify is great. It’s just, you know…

Veronica Belmont Not here.

Tom Merritt Yeah, we’re not getting in the United States anytime soon. Although the Cloud Touch is coming to Europe in May.

Veronica Belmont Should have done Rdio.

Tom Merritt Yeah, they should have done Rdio. Well the Spotify app will work even if you’re not connected to Spotify – it just plays only your music instead of streaming stuff.

Dwight Silverman So John have you tried a Windows Phone 7 device and put your Facebook credential into it?

John. C Dvorak I don’t use Facebook.

Dwight Silverman Well if you did...

John. C Dvorak Sorry.

Dwight Silverman …you would see that Facebook is deeply integrated throughout Windows Phone 7.

John. C Dvorak Well I’m glad you told me that Dwight because I’d sure never know, it was all the great marketing they’re doing.

Dwight Silverman That – right, their marketing is awful but if you’re looking for a phone where Facebook is thoroughly integrated, it becomes your contact list, your Facebook updates appear on that the Live Tiles or the home screen. You could use your Facebook contacts to dial the phone. It does a lot of what to the INQ phone does but it doesn’t put Facebook up so front with branding.

Veronica Belmont I think I would like that better for sure.

John C. Dvorak Well you’re a big fan obviously.

Dwight Silverman It’s one stop.

John C. Dvorak I want to see you dump that iPhone and get one of these Windows Phones and then I’ll pay more attention.

Veronica Belmont I like the HD7 I think it’s a beautiful phone. I would consider switching to it.

Tom Merritt Are you going to?

Veronica Belmont Maybe.

John C. Dvorak No she’s not doing, she’s not budging.

Tom Merritt She’s not going to.

John C. Dvorak She’s just a trouble maker.

Veronica Belmont Maybe, maybe I will. You don’t know.

Tom Merritt Wow that’s a stare.

John C. Dvorak Giving me the look. Giving somebody the look.

Tom Merritt All right. Let’s take a quick break and I want to make Cheryl in the chat room happy because she was saying “I really miss Leo” and Leo actually recorded our GoToMeeting spot. So for those of you who miss him, here you go, little Leo.

Leo Laporte Thanks, Tom. Hey everybody I know I’m not here but I thought I’d through the magic of video tape join you today to talk about one of my favorite topics GoToMeeting. I should have gotten Alex Lindsay in here. His whole company now is running on GoToMeeting. He is – it’s a virtual company, he has got people working for him all over the world and uses GoToMeeting for meetings, for training, for collaboration. There’s no better way to reduce cost, improve your efficiency, your processes, and off course it saves your money and every dollar saved in the – it makes a difference on the bottom line these days.

I use web conferencing and I encourage you to do so for your business. You’ll eliminate travel, unnecessary travel, which is good for everybody. You’ll improve communications with the folks you work with and you’d be smarter and more efficient and people won’t moan and groan when you say “it’s time for a meeting”.

Now there are other choices, I know that for web conferencing tools, but there’s nothing better than GoToMeeting. It’s the best. It’s the easiest to use for product reviews, for sales presentation, for training sessions, for collaboration and improving conference calls. You share your screen with the people you’re talking to so instead of playing Tetris or answering e-mail or Facebooking during the conference call, they’re actually look at something and engaged, makes a big difference.

For companies of all sizes, because it’s very affordable, $49 a month. One flat rate every month and you get as many meetings as you want, as long as you want. But don’t take my word for it. Like all the Citrix products we’re going to give you a 30-day free trial so you could see what GoToMeeting can do for you. There’s a and you’ll have all the meetings you want for one low flat rate and they’ll throw in phone and voice-over-IP conferencing. It’s part of the deal, part of the package. I mean now we’re; now we’re cooking with gas. Does anybody cook with gas? Yes, I think., give it a try today I know you’re going to love it.

And now we return you to the TWiTs featuring Tom Merritt. Tom?

Tom Merritt Thank you, Leo and we miss you. Please come back.

Veronica Belmont Where is he?

Tom Merritt He is in Antarctica.

Veronica Belmont Why is he there?

Tom Merritt The MacMania Cruise, he is there with [ph] Waz (51:43) and a bunch of people. And they went all the way down South America, had a meet up in Argentina. Well, John actually doesn’t believe he is there but –

John C. Dvorak No he’s doing a deal, he’s in Western Virginia.

Tom Merritt [ph] Dallas (51:57) I think, we finally discerned.

John C. Dvorak [ph] Dallas (51:58).

Veronica Belmont His pictures are very convincing then. He’s doing a good job faking the photos.

John C. Dvorak Well I think it’s been there before. Just his old leftover photos from last strip.

Tom Merritt Do a search in any of the photo banks you’ll find those same photos for royalty.

John C. Dvorak They’re all stocked.

Tom Merritt They’re all stocked.

Veronica Belmont

Tom Merritt Right. All right. It’s just phones, phones, phones because Mobile World Congress and for some reason last week HP and Sprint both had big phone announcements. And we are going to get to the Verizon iPhone launch such as it was in a minute as well. But I did want to mention the Kyocera Echo. Which was more exciting to you, the announcement of a dual-screen Android phone or David Blaine spitting fish out of his mouth.

John C. Dvorak TWiT, this week in telephony.

Tom Merritt Here we go. That’s what it’s turned into.

Veronica Belmont Fish.

Tom Merritt Fish? Veronica?

Veronica Belmont Yeah.

John C. Dvorak I’m going with fish too.

Tom Merritt Fish. Dwight?

Dwight Silverman Yeah. I’ll take the fish and I’ll have a side of potatoes.

Tom Merritt Wow.

Veronica Belmont Tilapia?

Tom Merritt So you know what and I don’t think you all are alone in this. Not a lot of people really fell for the hype on this industry first dual-screen phone. It’s nifty though.

Dwight Silverman Until you actually try it.

John C. Dvorak It looks like a DS, it looks like a Nintendo Game Boy DS device.

Tom Merritt Dwight, did you try it?

Dwight Silverman No. I haven’t tried it but until you actually put your hands on something that’s that different in terms of the interface. You don’t know if it’s really cool or if it’s really irritating.

Tom Merritt I agree.

Dwight Silverman And I’ll reserve judgment on that. I mean if you’re going to have a flip phone you may want to have like a real keyboard and I don’t know that the form factor necessarily is right for that, for a big virtual keyboard or for moving multiple things around on the screen. I don’t know that it’s necessary.

Tom Merritt Well, the idea is it’s also a dual core, so you can have two things running at the same time, one on each screen.

John C. Dvorak You can do that with multitasking without dual core.

Tom Merritt Yeah, multitasking on Android and iOS sucks.

Veronica Belmont It was like a core on each screen. Is that how it works?

Tom Merritt Yeah. You can have each core powering a screen.

Veronica Belmont Really?

Tom Merritt Yeah.

John C. Dvorak You can do that with two processors.

Tom Merritt Yeah. You can do that with the ATRIX but there’s only one screen

John C. Dvorak There’s a lot of ways of doing. I don’t know, I’m just saying. Tom Merritt Now you got two screens. Did I mention the two screens?

Tom Merritt If that’s the case –

John C. Dvorak Yeah, I have heard that. There’s two screens.

Dwight Silverman If that’s the case then it also depends on what developers do with that. If developers take advantage of that, make something cool with it, that could be really interesting so it’s the interface of the apps I think that’ll –

John C. Dvorak Somebody says it’s only a one core. We got a bunch of people in the chat room said there’s only one core, you’re full of it Tom. Says Tom you’re full of crap, there’s only one single core according to Engadget and they would know.

Tom Merritt Well we don’t have enough Internet for me to double check on that.

Veronica Belmont Let’s see here.

Tom Merritt Yeah, I am looking at it now it.

Veronica Belmont It says, it’s got – under the hood there’s a one gigahertz second-fen Snapdragon.

Tom Merritt No, no it’s a one gigahertz second-generation Snapdragon, you’re right. Now I am mistaken there’s only one core. So there you go.

Veronica Belmont So it’s only half a core on each screen.

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Tom Merritt It’s just a multitasking. Well then who cares about two screens?

John C. Dvorak I don’t know what the big deal is. I would like to have a phone that makes a good phone call.

Tom Merritt I don’t use my phone for – to making calls.

John C. Dvorak Lot of people don’t.

Tom Merritt I don’t really care about talk like that.

John C. Dvorak Lot of people don’t. They don’t want to – they don’t want to talk to anybody.

Tom Merritt I don’t want to talk to…

Veronica Belmont This is how I make calls, you’re looking at it right here.

John C. Dvorak They’re either going to message people and they’re going to surf the net on their phone.

Tom Merritt I text message people and I e-mail people.

John C. Dvorak I think they should take the microphone out of these things then.

Tom Merritt They should, save a lot of money. It’s called an iPod touch.

Veronica Belmont It’s a Dell Streak.

Tom Merritt Right.

Veronica Belmont Then get a tablet; you know, use it that way. Dell Streak 7 is much better then the Dell Streak 5, by the way.

Tom Merritt It’s that saying much?

Veronica Belmont No but it’s pretty good.

Tom Merritt That does lead us to the ability to make calls on an iPhone which everyone was hyping up as a big deal, iPhone on Verizon launched Thursday.

John C. Dvorak And apparently can’t make a call for crap if you put it horizontally. Their antennas were worst then ever.

Tom Merritt Now I don’t believe this.

John C. Dvorak Well that’s everyone keeps saying.

Tom Merritt I think you can death grip any phone and everyone immediately try to figure out how to death grip the Verizon iPhone. I can do it to – you can hold any phone so it doesn’t make calls. I’m not seeing much in this death grip controversy for the Verizon iPhone that’s any different than any other phone.

John C. Dvorak I haven’t proven it one way or the other.

Tom Merritt Apple has issued a patch already for the Verizon iPhone which fixes how the phone reports data usage because you’re capped – you can get an unlimited plan but if you’re capped, you want to report correct data usage.

John C. Dvorak What it mean if you get unlimited, if you’re capped? What does that mean, I don’t understand.

Tom Merritt You can. I said you can get unlimited…

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Tom Merritt …but if you don’t, you’re capped.

John C. Dvorak It was unlimited – is it truly unlimited or is there a cap on that too?

Tom Merritt Well, they’ve got the throttling.

John C. Dvorak Throttling. Well then is that unlimited? Is that actually – it’s false advertising? Now I’d like to know why the FTC doesn’t go after these guys?

Tom Merritt Well because it’s a…

John C. Dvorak They keep saying oh unlimited, unlimited, unlimited, next thing you know is limited. I mean come-on.

Tom Merritt No it’s unlimited, it’s just comes slower and slower.

John C. Dvorak That’s not unlimited.

Tom Merritt They haven’t limited it.

Veronica Belmont No but it still happens eventually. It just takes longer.

Tom Merritt It’s just discouraged.

Dwight Silverman Tom?

Tom Merritt Yes Dwight.

Dwight Silverman The issue has to do with the hotspot which is capped at 2 gigabytes.

Tom Merritt There we go.

Dwight Silverman So even if you have the, even if you have the – on the standard.

John C. Dvorak So then why don’t they use the word – why don’t they say kind of unlimited?

Dwight Silverman Well the data plan itself is unlimited. If you turn on the hotspot feature that –

John C. Dvorak This reminds me of One Hour Cleaners. The guy goes in and he says “I want my clothes back in an hour” and he says “oh yeah it’s going to be a week”, he says “what is this? This is One Hour Cleaners” “oh no that’s just the name of the place”. I mean what are we doing here? I mean where is the FTC in this deal?

Tom Merritt I see what you’re trying to say Dwight which is the problem is that if you’re doing the hotspot feature that is limited and they never say that’s unlimited. It’s only receiving data that’s unlimited.

Dwight Silverman Right. If you use the data on the phone and then it’s – then that’s unlimited. If you turn the hotspot with other devices connect, it’s 2 gigabyte limit, which to me is – I mean John’s confused, it’s a confusing situation for the buyer, you know. “Oh I thought I had unlimited, how come on getting an extra?” They charge you $20 per gigabyte over the 2 gigabytes that you get for – I think it’s what $45 or something? $20?

Tom Merritt Yeah

Tom Merritt That’s just – that’s usurious. That’s usurious I think

Veronica Belmont So the question is though – what the question I’ve been getting most about the Verizon iPhone is; A) does it really work better than AT&T, which is probably true. I haven’t tested it out myself. I have seen it. Well we saw it on Tekzilla but that was just a one-time use case scenario. But the second question is, is now the time to buy it, should I wait until Apple makes an announcement for the next version of the iPhone, possibly potentially the spring.

Dwight Silverman That’s why I think people weren’t lined up. I think people were waiting, the smart people were waiting for iPhone 5, the people with poor impulse control bought the pre-orders and that’s why they ran out of them so fast. I think most people have wised up and decide that they were going to wait for the iPhone 5 and I think that’s a smart thing to do.

Tom Merritt Apple fan boys went and got the iPhone 4 on AT&T three or four years ago, whenever that came I can’t remember exactly when it came out.

Dwight Silverman Right.

Tom Merritt But whenever the iPhone originally came out that’s when they got it. They’ve been on AT&T since, they don’t want to pay an early termination fee to go from the iPhone 4 they already have to another iPhone 4.

Dwight Silverman Right.

Tom Merritt So they’re going to wait and they may pay an early termination fee in the summer to switch to Verizon. But they’re not going to do until then. The only people that are buying the iPhone on Verizon right now are current Verizon’s customers that don’t have to pay an early termination fee and have been on some other phone and have decided “You know what I don’t care about waiting till June; I got to have it now”

Veronica Belmont Or people who do, just decide that, having the AT&T iPhone 4 is just not working for them at all. I mean some people are at that frustration level where they just can’t bear to be on AT&T another minute.

Tom Merritt Now, uh –

John C. Dvorak I hate AT&T.

Dwight Silverman Yes, but that could be expensive. That could be really expensive. You know, I think a lot of people are going to end up baulking. They are going to say that, you know, I’m tired with AT&T. They will do their John Dvorak imitation, and then they’ll say, you know, oh, I have to pay that much? I’ll wait, thank you.

Veronica Belmont Yes.

Tom Merritt What about this rumor of a Mini iPhone? Wall Street Journal now corroborating it, Bloomberg has reported it before saying that Apple will make a, well, Wall Street Journal says it’s half the size of the iPhone. Bloomberg said it was two-thirds of the size of the iPhone. But basically a smaller iPhone, it would be $200 on subsidized. So potentially, a subsidy could make it free.

John C. Dvorak What will be the point of it?

Veronica Belmont Go ahead.

Tom Merritt Free iPhone.

John C. Dvorak I mean, what’s the point? Just because it’s free, but it’s too small. I mean, isn’t it the iPhone…

Tom Merritt You were just saying that the phones are too big.

John C. Dvorak Generally, they are, I don’t like it.

Tom Merritt There’s no pleasing, you know.

John C. Dvorak But an iPhone, if you – no, I am saying, okay, you got me in a corner here, so I’m going to dig my way out of it. iPhones, I think, are for – people who like the iPhone, like Veronica, they are optimized to the perfect size, everything about them is right. I don’t see you should shrink it. I am saying, just generally speaking, these phones are too big and I don’t like the big giant EVO even though people in the chat room seem to love the monstrous thing that it is. And I would like to have a small phone that I could just, you know, I don’t have to worry about because I don’t sit around surfing the Internet on the phone like a lot of people do. If you do, you need an iPhone that has size. That’s enough.

Tom Merritt But this Mini iPhone can be for the folks who are like, you know what, same thing as you, but I would like to have a few apps. I would like to, you know, have a, maybe, a small game like a little Tetris game or something, and I want to live in that App Store.

Veronica Belmont I am kind of torn on this because on one side I feel like Apple really has a lock on like the high-end, you know, smartphone market. I mean, obviously, they’ve been that way for the past couple of years. But the idea then putting out a lower priced, you know, phone with a few less features maybe or maybe just features that aren’t quite as robust as what we have on this phone makes sense in a way because there are still people who just can’t put up with the idea of spending $200, $300 on a cell phone at this point.

Dwight Silverman But Veronica, they kind of already do that now when they sell, you know, right now you can buy the iPhone…

Veronica Belmont $99, yes

Dwight Silverman For $49 now. It’s 49.

Veronica Belmont 49, right.

Dwight Silverman They’ve reduced it to 49. So they kind of do that now. To a certain extent, it doesn’t make sense because they can simply take, you know, the iPhone 4 when the iPhone 5 comes out and make that their $99/$49 dollar phone.

Veronica Belmont It’s also an interesting – go ahead.

Tom Merritt Well, I was just going to say it’s a $629 retail price for the iPhone. So even if they reduce that to $400 or $500, a $200 unsubsidized price means free on every carrier, a free Apple iPhone to compete with all of those lower-end phones like we are seeing from Sony Ericsson with the Neo.

Veronica Belmont But it kind of – the other thing I was thinking was that even though Apple has done a lot with the iPod to make a lot of different versions available for all different types of uses, the iPhone has always been something they’ve just stayed with one – one flavor at a time. And I don’t know if that’s kind of their MO going forward, like they always want it to be one unified device that everyone kind of has, you know, the cult of Apple, I guess. But at the same time, for on a consumer point of view, it makes sense for me at least to have different versions, you know, that are tailored to people who maybe don’t want the top-end smartphone or can’t afford it.

John C. Dvorak I think there’s a good point to be made there. I think I agree. I think that there’s a – but I kind of like the idea that instead of having this huge selection of SKUs you have the one, and that’s it. Take it or leave it, one size fits all. I mean, it seems to be me that’d be the easier decision for decision points and the rest of it.

Tom Merritt They differentiate it with the iPod though, and that worked out okay. They had the iPod…

John C. Dvorak They eventually they did.

Tom Merritt iPod Mini and then the Mini became the Nano.

John C. Dvorak That’s the argument against me.

Tom Merritt So I could see them doing that much differentiation.

Veronica Belmont Yes, they can go right away…

Dwight Silverman There is a form-factor issue with having a phone. You know, you could do a music player down real tiny, but by the time you’re working with contacts and making phone calls or surfing the Internet, you know, at that point you need more screen real estate. And you know, John, you were talking about how much you thought the Veer would – that you would like something like the Veer, it would be interesting to see, you know, trying to actually use it. I don’t know even that Apple could do a phone with all the things that it has to do that would be comfortable to use even if it was smaller.

Veronica Belmont So the iPhone Shuffle, all it does is answer calls. You just wear it in your ear. It’s just a Bluetooth device, you just push the button, and it answers calls. You can’t make calls, you can’t dial out.

Tom Merritt Well, you can dial out but you don’t know who you’re going to dial.

John C. Dvorak With your voice – you dial out with your voice.

Veronica Belmont It’s shuffle, yeah, it’s shuffle.

Tom Merritt You just shake your head and dial to call someone.

John C. Dvorak Random.

Tom Merritt Random call. All right…

Veronica Belmont Apple serendipity into your life.

Tom Merritt Not the only Apple rumor out there, obviously, but the other big one this week, iPad 2 in production. Not to be outdone, we heard a rumor about the iPad 3 right after that. John Gruber referred to an iPad 3 after talking about the HP webOS announcement. Gruber thinks it would be more of an iPad 2.5 and a 7-inch version is what everybody seems to be gathering around. As we’ll get the iPad – the iPad 2 is in production, we know that. We know it’s going to have a front-facing camera. We know it’s going to come out probably around April.

John C. Dvorak Right. Everything you wanted on the iPad is on the iPad 2.

Tom Merritt Is on the iPad 2, that’s just the way Apple does things. But would they come out with a fall 7-inch version?

John C. Dvorak Why?

Tom Merritt Because Steve Jobs had said 7-inch is dead on arrival already.

John C. Dvorak Yeah. He probably said that for a reason because he thinks it is and they are now working on one. I believe this is a bogus rumor. And it is not the way Apple does things, putting out a half-baked in between products.

Tom Merritt Dwight, any – Veronica obviously agrees, you do disagree or do you think this is just bunk?

Dwight Silverman Both Steve Jobs and Tim Cook have, you know, swatted down rumors about the 7-inch. They have pooh-poohed – they’ve made fun of the platform. So I don’t necessarily think that they are apt – to put it out. The only caveat to that would be is if things like the Galaxy Tab and other 7-inch tab tablets really take off and they see a demand for it. But at this point, I don’t think that’s happening. And I don’t think that, you know, their public statements, I think, have been – have not been vague. They have been pretty firm about that.

John C. Dvorak And the other thing somebody in the chat room just pointed out the iPhone 3GS is kind of a half-baked in between product. But it really wasn’t, it’s just the different radio, right?

Tom Merritt Yes. I mean, it was – it’s a rev.

Dwight Silverman It’s faster. It’s faster.

John C. Dvorak It’s not like a different – the whole different platform like the 7-inch would.

Tom Merritt I’ll tell you, anybody who went from the 3G to the 3GS knew what Dwight was saying. It was faster. It was a quite – it was quite a different experience. You could actually use things on it. You didn’t have to sit there and wait for stuff to load.

John C. Dvorak Right.

Tom Merritt I remember that. Now, Steve Jobs also said Apple has no need to make a phone. He said we’d never put video on an iPod, and he said no one reads, why would we ever get into books?

John C. Dvorak Well, at least he is consistent.

Tom Merritt Going with that track record, we can almost assuredly see a 7-inch iPad.

Dwight Silverman Well, also, you know, the other thing is that – is that Jobs said during the – one of the D conferences when he was being interviewed on stage that at the time he was talking about, and one point he also pooh-poohed the idea of a tablet, that originally when they were working on the IOS they were working on a tablet and then they decided, oh, this operating system would be great on a phone, let’s take it to a phone. So yeah, he – everything that Jobs says has to be taken with a grain of salt. That said, you know, you have them fairly vigorously denying anything. You know, more than just Jobs, you have Tim Cook saying that I just – I don’t believe it.

Tom Merritt I want to expand this conversation a little bit to the ecosystem. We’ve got another rumor about MobileMe. Sony has been saying some interesting things about iTunes, but I want to thank our final sponsor Carbonite, backing up files on your PC and Mac is what you need to be able to do very safely, and I recommend redundant backups. I back up locally on a hard drive and I back up in the cloud as well as considering the actual hard drive within the computer is a third version of all of that data. I use Carbonite for my cloud backup because it is the easiest I have ever used. It’s unobtrusive, works in the background. You select what stuff you want to be backed up and it works. You can actually prioritize it and say, you know what when I’m processor-intensive, don’t interrupt me. Wait until, you know, I am not using the computer as much and then go ahead and back it up, so it doesn’t clog up the bandwidth, it’s safe, files are encrypted before they leave your computer and it has an automatic and easy to use interface, you get your files back with just a few clicks and as a side benefit of that, when you are not at your computer you can actually access all of the files through the Carbonite website or the free BlackBerry and iPhone Apps. Unlimited back ups for your PC or Mac is only $55 a year, that’s just 15 cents a day and you don’t have to pay a dime for – you don’t even have to put down a credit card to try it out, go to, enter the offer code twit, try Carbonite for free right now, and if you decide to buy the service we’ll throw in two months free with that same offer code. Be sure to sign up for the free trial from the home page to get the two months free. Like I said, no credit card required and it’s $55, it’s 15 cents a day for the peace of mind of knowing that you have your data safe and securely backed up. Check it out at, and we thank them for their support.

Now there’s a rumor along with this iPod nan or iPhone nano rumor that Apple is about to make MobileMe free this fall so that anybody can access it, and put all of their videos, their books, their movies, their songs in the cloud. We’ve been waiting for this since they bought Lala, they bought, shut them down, we’ve been waiting for iTunes in the cloud. They said that that’s going to come, it’s going to be MobileMe and they are not going to charge for it.

John C. Dvorak Hurray!

Veronica Belmont That’s about time.

Tom Merritt Too good to be true.

John C. Dvorak You think it’s bull crap?

Tom Merritt I don’t think – I don’t think that Apple can get the licensing to make that work without really angering all of their partners that they are selling movies, television shows…

John C. Dvorak So you think it’s bull crap.

Tom Merritt And music.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, could be.

Tom Merritt Well, Sony in an interview in Australia said, if we do get mass take-up of this new Sony music service, Music Unlimited, then does Sony Music need to provide content to iTunes? Currently we do, we have to provide it to iTunes because that’s the format right now. Publishers are being held ransom by Apple and they are looking for other delivery systems and we are waiting to see what the next three to five years will hold.

So how is – how is Apple going to strike a deal to have a cloud service when you’ve got executives from their partners saying stuff like this in public?

John C. Dvorak Yeah, there’s obviously some there is some – they’re doing a deal or they’re resigning a contract and this is all [ph] messing (71:35).

Tom Merritt Do you think it’s just negotiating?

John C. Dvorak Yeah, it’s just blather for negotiation purposes.

Tom Merritt They’ve been negotiating for a long time though.

John C. Dvorak Well, this is what you gotta – it comes to this. I don’t know.

Tom Merritt But it’s been almost a year now since they shut down Lala…

John C. Dvorak Apple is the one – Apple has got them by the you know what. It was a “know what” and then…

Tom Merritt Know what?

John C. Dvorak I don’t know.

Tom Merritt Short hairs?

John C. Dvorak Something.

Tom Merritt Well, what freaks me out about this is that Apple wants a cut of everything. They want a 30% cut of everything.

John C. Dvorak And then if you look at their books more recently, as people have been analyzing, they are just still not making any money, they are still making all their money in the hardware. And from the get-go, from the very beginning of the stores and the app, the iTunes in particular, it’s always been said that – there’s a lot – it was a not a loss leader but a breakeven, maybe make a little money, but it’s to sell more and more iPods. And I think that’s – they have to be asked for this much money because otherwise they are just costing them.

Tom Merritt How does it make sense then to kick Sony out of the store because they won’t sell the books in the app?

John C. Dvorak Well, if you are losing money, you want to kick everybody out of the store and then you can breakeven with nothing going on.

Tom Merritt So they are not making enough money on the hardware? They are making tons of money though.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, I don’t think that Sony, I don’t think it’s a loss to Apple for Sony to be gone. I think, you know, as far as they are concerned, they are doing a Sony a favor. And if Sony doesn’t know that, which apparently they don’t, with Sony what do you expect?

Tom Merritt Well, Sony is mad because their eReader app got kicked out of the App store and the Kindle and the Barnes and Noble app are still in there.

John C. Dvorak Sony should be mad about that. I agree. I think Sony has got a point there.

Tom Merritt But obviously…

Dwight Silverman Sony reader app worked differently. Sony reader app actually bought within the app itself, and I think with the Kindle and the other one that – it kicks you out to the web and you go to a webpage and you buy there and then it downloads it. So Apple – I think Apple’s main complaint was that you would – that actually happened inside the app, which is a no, no. Newspaper publishers have been complaining about this that we want the ability to sell subscriptions to the print edition inside our online apps and our iPad and iPhone apps and Apple so far has said no, so that’s actually consistent with the way they’ve been handling some of these other deals.

Tom Merritt They were selling from within the Apple without using Apples in that purchase…

Dwight Silverman Right.

Tom Merritt …structure, which doesn’t allow Apple to take their 30%, that’s the key difference.

Dwight Silverman Right, right and the reason why Kindle allows it…

Veronica Belmont But like with Kindle and stuff doesn’t it just send you, it’s like you are trying to buy a book on the Kindle app, doesn’t it send you to the web version, the Safari version of instead, or can you buy directly from – you can’t buy directly from the Kindle app, right?

Dwight Silverman No, it kicks you out to the web, it does the multi-tasking thing on the iPhone 4 and you end up at a webpage.

Veronica Belmont And what about that violates Apples like terms of service or whatever it is for app developers?

Dwight Silverman Well, it doesn’t…

Veronica Belmont Why don’t they let you do that?

Dwight Silverman With the Kindle it doesn’t, the Kindle – the problem with the Sony one if I remember correctly is that the purchase was made inside the app, you never got kicked out. With the Kindle, the reason the Kindle stays is the app – a purchase is made inside the app.

Veronica Belmont Now I’m confused.

Tom Merritt It’s okay for Kindle to do it their way, in other words.

Veronica Belmont But I thought Kindle kick you out and sent you to…

Dwight Silverman Right.

Veronica Belmont …to buy apps, you can’t buy…

Dwight Silverman Yeah, but that’s okay.

Veronica Belmont …the books from within the app, right?

Tom Merritt Yeah, and that’s okay.

Dwight Silverman That’s okay.

Veronica Belmont And that’s fine, right. But why can you not purchase it from within the app, why is that…

Tom Merritt You can as long as you – you let Apple take 30% of it and what Sony was doing, Dwight, correct if I’m wrong here was…

John C. Dvorak Bypassing.

Tom Merritt Was saying, you can buy it from within the app but we’re not going to use Apple’s system to process that transaction.

Dwight Silverman Right.

Veronica Belmont Well, got you.

Tom Merritt

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John C. Dvorak Yeah, so they set you up, they give you the marketing tools and then all of the sudden you screw them. I mean, I’m on Apple’s side on this deal.

Tom Merritt I guess that’s true, but then it doesn’t make any sense.

John C. Dvorak It’s like the Huffington Post, I mean if I was writing for them for free to bring this back around and I would have suspected I could put my own links and yeah that would go out to whatever because they are not paying me anything. But at the same...

Veronica Belmont But it’s a pain in the butt for the users.

John C. Dvorak Yeah it is. Yeah. I agree with that. Apple has never been that pro–user, I mean, come on.

Tom Merritt The effect is silly, it’s like let’s – yeah, like veronica you’re absolutely right, let’s make you have to launch Safari. It’s essentially exactly the same thing but with a little jump to something else.

John C. Dvorak Something Microsoft would do.

Tom Merritt Let’s move on to JCPenney where fashion comes to life.

John C. Dvorak We’re going there now?

Tom Merritt Yeah, let’s get out of here. This show is over, see you later folks. We’re off to Brand Central and Sears. No, JCPenney was the subject of a New York Times undercover story, well not undercover but they hired some search engine experts to find out why JCPenney comes up so high for so many different key words search results. And they found out that, lots of link farms all around the internet point to JCPenney for certain keywords. That’s a no, no under Google’s rules.

John C. Dvorak It is a no, no under Google’s rules.

Veronica Belmont Off course JCPenney denies it, but at the same time it’s like why would link farms link to JCPenney?

John C. Dvorak Out of the blue.

Veronica Belmont Like out of the blue exactly, it’s like it doesn’t make any sense.

Tom Merritt We have no knowledge.

Veronica Belmont Unless someone’s trying to take down JCPenney from the outside.

John C. Dvorak And says, Dr. Whit in the chat-room says “oh my god, SEO works!”.

Tom Merritt Yeah. Well it’s not supposed to work this way though.

John C. Dvorak Yeah. Well

Tom Merritt It’s violating the rules.

Veronica Belmont Gaming the system.

John C. Dvorak The rules.

Tom Merritt The rules, oh the rules. Little black dress return to JCPenney. Rugs back to JCPenney.

John C. Dvorak I was looking something up the other day and it was just all crap. I mean I’d put some search term in and I got nothing but page after page of nothing I wanted.

Veronica Belmont This is obviously Filene’s Basement trying to take their stand.

Tom Merritt This is what?

Veronica Belmont Is that a regional thing?

John C. Dvorak Filene’s Basement?

Veronica Belmont That must be a regional joke. Sorry.

John C. Dvorak It is. Filene’s Base was this great discount underground, it’s been a basement under Filene’s in Boston. And she’s, I don’t know what, she must have been there shopping recently and she remembers it.

Veronica Belmont I went to school in Boston and they had [ph] that crack where I (77:41) grew up, too.

John C. Dvorak Do you know that it is – what always amazes me about Filene’s Basement is if you started looking for stuff in there – I find it’s not one of the best places to get these deals because people go in there and then they hit – there’s a bunch of – they have one of these things where you have a yellow tag and then it gets cheaper and cheaper and cheaper as the week goes by. And then you get it for like five bucks if you wait long enough if nobody buys it. So they pick up the clothes and they ditch them in other parts of the store where you’d never – the men’s suits will be over by the women’s sweaters, and it will be buried so they can get these additional discounts. It’s a mess; I don’t like Filene’s Basement.

Veronica Belmont Okay. How about – let’s do...

John C. Dvorak End of story.

Veronica Belmont Should we say Nordstroms Rack or maybe [ph] Momans (78:18)?

John C. Dvorak There you go, that’s more like it. Nordstroms – yeah Nordstroms Rack.

Tom Merritt Famous bar?

John C. Dvorak Sorry. Sorry I got off track. Ruined the show.

Tom Merritt That’s it. Now the show is ruined.

John C. Dvorak Didn’t take much.

Tom Merritt We might as well just talk about Howard Stern now. Anybody watch this? Howard Stern was tweeting commentary during an airing of the movie Private Parts, it was showing on HBO Zone. He went online and started doing a director’s commentary sort of stream and apparently got a lot of people watching it.

John C. Dvorak Well that’s fantastic.

Dwight Silverman Well, but still why is it that Howard Stern, who is like 20 years late to Twitter, discovers it and it says “oh I can talk about myself while my movie plays”. And suddenly that’s like news?

John C. Dvorak Well apparently it is the Tom.

Tom Merritt And paid content.

Dwight Silverman Yeah. Or to Jeff Jarvis who like just had a paroxysm over it. Jeff is the biggest Howard Stern fanboy there is.

Veronica Belmont Really?

Dwight Silverman Oh yeah. He loves Howard.

Veronica Belmont You learn something new every day.

John C. Dvorak Well they should put – we should make a– do something to try to get Jarvis on Howard Stern show which should be just great I think.

John C. Dvorak He’s been on the show? Jeff Jarvis’s been on Howard Stern show?

Veronica Belmont Yeah, apparently many times according to the chat room.

John C. Dvorak Yeah. yes, everyone is saying yes, yes, yes. Okay well, that must have been fascinating.

Tom Merritt So...

John C. Dvorak What, why?

Veronica Belmont I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, you can.

Tom Merritt It’s Dvorak’s uncertainty principle. He can be both sarcastic and serious at the same time.

John C. Dvorak It’s amazing; it’s not that easy to do by the way.

Tom Merritt Can hurt. That’s why his hair is gray. This guy is 21 years old.

John C. Dvorak That’s 23.

Tom Merritt I was giving you a little credit. So, no, I am fascinated with the story because it’s a story, because so many people started talking about and started flooding in on it. Like you’re saying, Dwight, this is just – it’s just weird that I guess it takes a fresh eye to Twitter to try to do something. I wouldn’t do something like this; I’m afraid everyone would complain about flooding which I guess some people did.

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Tom Merritt You just have to be Howard Stern and not care.

John C. Dvorak I guess.

Dwight Silverman Or you have to be following him, be a fan, and not care, that’s what he’s doing. You know I don’t think a lot of people randomly follow Howard Stern. I think they do it because they are fans.

Tom Merritt Nobody accidentally follows Howard Stern.

Dwight Silverman Right.

Tom Merritt I think you are right. All right. Couple more before we go, in your neck of the woods or at least in the state that you are in, Amazon is pulling out. They say because the state is charging them $269 million in back sales taxes that they are going to close down their Irving, Texas distribution center, and get out of Dodge, or rather Irving.

Dwight Silverman Yeah. Texas has this – has been trying to go after several…

John C. Dvorak Money grab.

Dwight Silverman ….. online – right; they have been trying to go after several of the online operations claiming that if they have any kind of physical presence here at all, that they fall into our sales tax.

John C. Dvorak What physical presence does Amazon have out at the moment?

Veronica Belmont A distribution center.

Dwight Silverman They have a distribution center, but their argument is – their argument is that first that the Texas law refers primarily to retail and they are not actually doing retail. It’s a distribution center, and then also that it’s not actually owned by Amazon, it’s owned by a subsidiary and thus doesn’t have to – and thus Amazon itself doesn’t have to pay the sales tax. But because it looks like rulings are going to go the other way against them, they’ve decided to take their ball and go home. And if they do that, obviously, you know Texas is a huge market for them and to be able to ship out of there would save them enough cash. So apparently, they wouldn’t lose enough money by capitulating that was sales tax that it would negate having the distribution center there and saving the money because of the shorter distances to their markets.

Tom Merritt And there’s no state income tax in Texas, so they rely on this kind of taxes to fund the government.

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Veronica Belmont That’s pretty common, right? I mean, a lot of companies do things like that, but they don’t have…

John C. Dvorak Yeah, they should move it Oklahoma.

Tom Merritt It’s not that far.

John C. Dvorak It’s not that far.

Tom Merritt Yeah.

Dwight Silverman Just couple of hours over the Red River, yeah.

Tom Merritt Right up the 35…

John C. Dvorak Yep.

Tom Merritt And into Oklahoma.

Veronica Belmont I got a special tax form, spending too much money on things online.

Tom Merritt You’ve got a special – you’ve got served that tax form or you just…

Veronica Belmont I’ve got sent a special tax form for…

Tom Merritt Did you really?

Veronica Belmont …for purchasing too many things on the Internet.

John C. Dvorak What?

Veronica Belmont Yeah, for like – I don’t know.

John C. Dvorak Do you have copies of that, did you blog it, have you scanned it, have you shown this to anybody else?

Veronica Belmont No.

Tom Merritt How do they know?

Veronica Belmont Should I?

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Veronica Belmont Why?

John C. Dvorak I never heard of such a thing.

Tom Merritt I knew you were….

Veronica Belmont Yeah, they sent me letter.

Tom Merritt I never heard of them sending a letter to anybody.

John C. Dvorak No, that’s why she’s got to scan it and post it, like somebody says in the chat room. Wow, Veronica, that’s crazy.

Veronica Belmont I look into it more, I guess, it’s maybe a sales tax thing, because I’m not paying sales tax on some of the purchases or something because they are [indiscernible] (83:29)

Tom Merritt Yeah. There is a rule in California that you are required to file and pay your sales taxes at income tax time for any online purchases you’ve made that didn’t charge you the sales tax already.

Veronica Belmont Right.

Tom Merritt But how would they know that about?

Veronica Belmont I don’t know.

John C. Dvorak They are tracking you like a dog.

Veronica Belmont It’s kind of scary, right?

John C. Dvorak Yeah. That’s why we want to see this letter. Come on.

Veronica Belmont All right. I’ll look into it. If I feel like it’s safe to post, I’ll just think about it.

John C. Dvorak It’s got to be safe to post. Don’t be cowed by these people.

Tom Merritt Yeah, it’s certainly safe to post. You might want to black out any personal information.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, you don’t want your phone number on there with all these guys watching.

Veronica Belmont I was like, man, am I really shopping that much. That’s scary.

John C. Dvorak Apparently.

Veronica Belmont How did they find me? I set up like a red flag somewhere at the IRS.

John C. Dvorak List of the shopaholics.

Dwight Silverman Do they know how much you had bought? Was there a number that you had to provide?

Veronica Belmont Yeah, I have to double check that, I forget actually. I’ll look into my folder later and take a look and let you guys know.

Dwight Silverman I bet you [indiscernible] (84:17).

John C. Dvorak And this was sent by the Franchise Tax Board of the U.S. government. Who sent it to you?

Veronica Belmont I don’t know, I have to look at the form. Gees, you want me be all prepared and stuff, hold on.

John C. Dvorak She’s going to go dig it out.

Tom Merritt Dig it out.

Dwight Silverman Dig it out.

Veronica Belmont This was an off-the-cuff comment, and now I have to look into things.

John C. Dvorak Dig, dig, dig.

Dwight Silverman The State of California…..

John C. Dvorak Off-the-cuff comment gets the most attention.

Dwight Silverman ….that these online companies …..

John C. Dvorak It came from the Nigerians.

Tom Merritt I am sorry, Dwight, what were you saying?

John C. Dvorak She bought into it.

Dwight Silverman State of California probably demands that the companies provide them list of anybody who buys good over X amount, if they are going to do business in California. And so that’s probably how she got on that list.

Tom Merritt Well down, Jerry Brown.

Veronica Belmont Yeah, that makes sense.

Tom Merritt Probably a Schwarzenegger thing, honestly.

Dwight Silverman That’s a Schwarzenegger thing. Yeah.

Tom Merritt But Amazon is famous for having these tax disputes these big disputes with states, they pulled out of where, North Carolina?

John C. Dvorak Or Virginia one of these states.

Tom Merritt Is it North Carolina or South Carolina where they said we aren’t just – were not going to have partners there anymore.

John C. Dvorak [indiscernible] (85:17) Yeah.

Tom Merritt Because they wanted them to pay tax on the partners.

Dwight Silverman And that’s a big draw on Amazon, I bought a – I just bought an HDTV from them and no sales tax and it was a great price and plus the fact that I wasn’t paying any sales tax meant that I got a huge amount off versus what I would do at a store even with a sale, so I was – I’m a big believer in Amazon.

John C. Dvorak It’s a big deal, I mean in California for people out there from other states, we pay 10% personal income tax on top of our salaries and sales tax in Calvary is about 10%.

Tom Merritt And we’re broke.

John C. Dvorak And we’re broke. And there’s still potholes in Highway 80, it’s unbelievable, they can’t even fix the roads around here, what do they do with all this money?

Veronica Belmont I can’t find the form, I probably threw it away.

Tom Merritt Yeah.

Veronica Belmont Whatever.

Tom Merritt I wouldn’t worry about it.

John C. Dvorak Forget it, we don’t care. We’ve lost interest.

Veronica Belmont It’s not a big deal, right?

Tom Merritt IRS isn’t watching this show.

John C. Dvorak Somebody just said sales tax in Germany is 19%.

Tom Merritt That’s – is that sales tax or VAT?

John C. Dvorak That’s got to be VAT in something.

Tom Merritt Because VAT is usually around 17% somewhere around there, so that…

Dwight Silverman But they don’t tack it on, it’s just part of the price.

Tom Merritt Yeah exactly. I’m a big fan of value added – it’s going to…

John C. Dvorak I’m not, just you know what they do, they just add it and the next thing you know they don’t lower any other taxes, there’s just another tax, before you know we’re paying 99% taxes.

Tom Merritt That doesn’t happen, I don’t know any place that’s 99% VAT.

John C. Dvorak I’m telling you this is where it’s headed.

Tom Merritt All right. Last story before we wrap up here, tech-unfriendly cafes in New York City are – reported by New York Times’ Virginia Heffernan, are banning Kindles, Nooks and iPads.

John C. Dvorak What?

Veronica Belmont What?

Tom Merritt Because they were tired of people dragging in their laptops, so they put up a no electronics policy, they wanted to preserve the atmosphere of the cafe and no laptops, no electronics allowed so when people started coming in with Kindles they said no, no electronics.

Veronica Belmont That is baloney, come on.

Tom Merritt Get out of my cafe.

John C. Dvorak Well, good. Stay out of the cafe then.

Veronica Belmont What, no, I mean, seriously, I mean the Kindle is a book, what you can’t read a book now in the café?

John C. Dvorak Yeah, it’s basically a book.

Veronica Belmont You’re not allowed to sit there and read a book and enjoy your coffee.

Tom Merritt Yeah but it ruins the ambience when you’re holding that Kindle instead of an actual book.

John C. Dvorak Yeah you rather be holding some grimy old book from the ‘50s.

Tom Merritt I’m telling you there’s money to be made in New York City right now, you can – you could probably retail this through the Strand Book Store.

John C. Dvorak I know where you’re going with this.

Tom Merritt It’s a Kindle case that looks like’s a book.

Dwight Silverman That looks like a book.

John C. Dvorak That looks like a book. Yeah, I saw that coming down Broadway as it were.

Tom Merritt In fact somebody’s already on that I’m sure.

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Tom Merritt You could get the Strand…

Veronica Belmont Well, I am in San Francisco, we don’t pull that stuff here.

Tom Merritt And get the Strand to just get you some of their used books that they can’t sell.

John C. Dvorak Just grind out the inside.

Tom Merritt Yeah, easy, done. All right. Shall we watch a ridiculous video John, I know how much you like ridiculous web videos, before we leave?

John C. Dvorak Yeah I’m all game.

Tom Merritt This is The Legend of Zelda as presented as if it were a 1980’s teen movie. If you’ve watched any of the Breakfast Club or Ferris Bueller you’re going to recognize this.

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Tom Merritt And it goes on challenge, the chat room is already bored.

John C. Dvorak Yeah.

Veronica Belmont The problem is that kids these days they are too young to get John Hughes’ movies references.

John C. Dvorak Yeah that’s no good.

Tom Merritt No good. That was down.

John C. Dvorak I mean I think it’s interesting attempt but it wasn’t…

Tom Merritt Better in concept than in practice?

John C. Dvorak Yeah sort of.

Dwight Silverman Too much John Hughes not enough link.

Tom Merritt Needed more Link I think you’re right Dwight.

Veronica Belmont Yeah true, good point, although It's dangerous to go alone! Take this! was a good.

Dwight Silverman Yeah that was good. I watched that.

Veronica Belmont Little insert there.

John C. Dvorak If somebody can chop a head off with a sword.

Tom Merritt Yeah absolutely.

Dwight Silverman That would have made it.

Veronica Belmont That doesn’t so much happen in Zelda games.

Tom Merritt I think they could have.

John C. Dvorak I think there’s double the sword chopping moments.

Veronica Belmont Yeah but not so much with the head chopping.

Tom Merritt All right, anybody excited about Kindle getting page numbers?

John C. Dvorak Well it’s kind of ludicrous because…

Veronica Belmont But how does it’s going to work?

John C. Dvorak …it as variable – it’s variable pages. I guess it would…

Tom Merritt That’s based on the print edition.

John C. Dvorak Oh.

Tom Merritt So whatever text is in the upper left hand corner of the Kindle it – it has it that index to what page it’s on in the print edition…

Veronica Belmont It might be useful.

Tom Merritt …and tells you the actual page number.

John C. Dvorak It might be useful. To some people…

Tom Merritt Good for citations.

John C. Dvorak Yeah, for citations, yeah you need to do that.

Tom Merritt And a lot of press around Facebook moving into Sun Clinton, the former Sun Campus in Mountain View.

John C. Dvorak Yeah. I know. Everybody says it by the way when Facebook does its IPO because there are so many people working there and they are going to get so much money that it’s going to put – it’s going to actually revitalize the housing market in California, because it’s going to be all…

Veronica Belmont The Pandora had an IPO. Congrats to them. Yea!

John C. Dvorak So we do see some IPOs around here so we can get the housing market back on track and then we are in business again.

Tom Merritt So Pandora is helping the housing market. Thank you, Pandora. As an undervalued property owner I root for more IPOs if that’s true.

John C. Dvorak Somebody put in the chat room baloney.

Veronica Belmont Baloney.

John C. Dvorak It’s succinct

Tom Merritt Ha, succinct. Google is getting a new edition as well down in Venice, California.

John C. Dvorak Somebody’s having a baby?

Tom Merritt Yeah. Well they are having an office building. It’s not quite as exciting.

John C. Dvorak In Venice?

Tom Merritt Yeah.

John C. Dvorak Have you been to Venice recently? It’s changed. It used to be just the worst place in California and now it’s like actually kind of nice.

Tom Merritt Is it spruced up a little?

John C. Dvorak Well quite a bit.

Tom Merritt Yeah. Because it used to be the poor hippie sister to Santa Monica.

John C. Dvorak Yeah. It would have been a nice place to invest some cash and you’d have done all right for yourself but no.

Tom Merritt Not anymore. Well, now it’s back is what you are saying or not back but it’s worth it. It’s good. All right that’s it for this edition. I can’t make any sense anymore. I got one more – I’ve got to save up some powder for next week. I got one more of this WEEK in TECH to fill in for Leo Laporte. Veronica Belmont, thank you so much for being on the show.

Veronica Belmont Thank you for having me.

Tom Merritt Let folks know where they can find your blog post about your form on the Internet.

Veronica Belmont Oh, gosh. Yeah, if I can find that thing. I’m Veronica on Twitter,, you can find me every week on Tekzilla on, every month on Qore on the PlayStation Network and every week or every other week on the Sword and Laser with Tom.

Tom Merritt Yeah. We’ve been…

John C. Dvorak What is this Sword and Laser about?

Tom Merritt It’s a book club, fantasy and sci-fi.

John C. Dvorak It’s a book club like there’s women’s book clubs that they have?

Veronica Belmont And podcasts, yeah.

Tom Merritt Well except it’s not a women’s book club. It’s just a book club. So we are – so we…

John C. Dvorak You read a book and then you talk about it.

Tom Merritt Yeah, exactly. Do you like science fiction or fantasy books?

John C. Dvorak No, I don’t read much to be honest about it.

Tom Merritt I forgot you can’t read.

John C. Dvorak I don’t.

Tom Merritt But you can still listen to the podcast.

John C. Dvorak I write, I’m a writer, writers don’t read. You don’t have time.

Tom Merritt A lot of people don’t realize that you don’t have to know how to read to write.

John C. Dvorak That’s true.

Tom Merritt Yeah. And if any one can prove that.

John C. Dvorak I’m here to do it.

Tom Merritt It’s not Dwight Silverman. Dwight Silverman, thank you for being on this show as well. Let folks know where they can find your stuff online.

Dwight Silverman At is where my blog is. You can also listen to me on Wednesday nights, 8:00 O’clock Central Time on Technology Bytes and that’s at and then also periodically right here on TWiT.

Tom Merritt John C. Dvorak of

John C. Dvorak .com

Tom Merritt .com

John C. Dvorak It’s, but

Tom Merritt It’s,

John C. Dvorak And you can find all of my stuff so you can link to everything you’d – included in No Agenda Show and all the rest of the stuff I do.

Tom Merritt Thank you for being here and providing some stability.

John C. Dvorak Always a pleasure to work with you Tom, it’s good to work with a pro.

Tom Merritt Thank you. Or me, either one. Before we go, I want to mention that we will be broadcasting live from South by Southwest, if you’re going to be in Austin, doesn’t – you don’t have to be attending the conference. You can come see us. We’re going to be at Momo’s Restaurant they’ll be details up on the inside TWiT blog Eileen and Lynn have been planning this up, Lisa, they’ve all been working together to get it done, conversing with Leo across continents to plan this. So please do come, we’re going to have a live Tech Guy at 1:00 P.M. on that Sunday of South by Southwest followed by a live TNT at 4:00 P.M. followed immediately by this WEEK in TECH and then a live music following that. So check it out, it will be at Momo’s in Austin, Texas and like I said for the – for all the details. John, are you going? You’re not going to South by Southwest.

John C. Dvorak No, it’s like a long drive. It’s too far.

Tom Merritt That’s it. I – like I said Leo Laporte on vacation for one more week, so I’ll be back on TWiT next week, week after that Leo will be back in the house. I put the can down and put a TWiT in it. We’re done.

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